The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 7

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[Snaaaaake!]

Sounds like you'd rather that the Deadpool sequel fail so long as it hinders Fox.

I'm not really feeling Fox these days but that still didn't stop me from supporting the 1st Deadpool. But since they're doing away with a person who I thought was a huge part of what made Deadpool what it was to begin with, I couldn't care less about the sequel.

So does exposing me as the "hater/fanboy/badguy" somehow negate the probability of this happening (despite Fox's known track record) or is this just a diversion from the bigger issue here (Feige not willing to bail them out)?

I ask because I noticed that you had no response to anything else I stated in that post and to be honest DP is the most irrelevant part of it.

 

[NotNickFury]

I'm not really feeling Fox these days but that still didn't stop me from supporting the 1st Deadpool. But since they're doing away with a person who I thought was a huge part of what made Deadpool what it was to begin with, I couldn't care less about the sequel.

So does exposing me as the "hater/fanboy/badguy" somehow negate the probability of this happening (despite Fox's known track record) or is this just a diversion from the bigger issue here (Feige not willing to bail them out)?

I ask because I noticed that you had no response to anything else I stated in that post and to be honest DP is the most irrelevant part of it.

There's nothing exposing or anything 'fanboy' related about what you said, so no, but I just don't see the need to root for a film to do badly because of the studio or a director change. After all, while I love Edgar Wright, I certainly wouldn't have wanted Ant-Man to flop just because Marvel Studios replaced him.

 

[Stark Bauer]

Feige was posturing. Obviously they would need the Fantastic Four once RDJ, Chris Evans and Hemsworth retire their roles.

It's gonna be a long wait until 2023...7 years to go...like the Temple of Time in Zelda

 

[Snaaaaake!]

There's nothing exposing or anything 'fanboy' related about what you said, so no, but I just don't see the need to root for a film to do badly because of the studio or a director change. After all, while I love Edgar Wright, I certainly wouldn't have wanted Ant-Man to flop just because Marvel Studios replaced him.

Good!

Because unlike FF: ROTSS under-performing and Marvel getting Chris Evans as Cap. or David Slade leaving that Daredevil reboot at Fox that got Marvel the rights back and lead to the debut of MCU-Netflix or Spirit of Vengeance being crap and getting Marvel the Ghost Rider rights back and being some use on AOS or TASM under-performing and leading to Spidey rebooted in the MCU or 4stic flopping and getting MBJ a potentially more exciting role in the upcomming Black Panther film. A failed Ant-man movie wouldn't have gotten us anything.

Thus Fox and Sony's Marvel failures lead to better opportunities and me wishing for the greater good which Marvel Studios has proven to be many times over.

 

[InCali]

Feige was posturing. Obviously they would need the Fantastic Four once RDJ, Chris Evans and Hemsworth retire their roles.

It's gonna be a long wait until 2023...7 years to go...like the Temple of Time in Zelda

I don't agree. Marvel has been (successfully) grooming a whole new group of people to step in. While FF would be a nice boost, I don't think "need" is a word I'd use.

 

[sleekstereo]

The sticking point for me is the TV rights deal Marvel signed off with FOX last year. The deal makes no sense whatsoever if it was just in exchange for a piece of "Legion" and the mutants on the run show FOX has in the pipeline.

The TV deal increases FOX's hold on the X-Men franchise and adds another competitor in a very crowded field for superhero television. And with just a few tweaks Marvel could have done both shows solo and kept all of the money themselves. I am sticking to my belief that Marvel got at least some character rights back in that transaction.

Well, if Marvel Studios and Marvel TV are now operating separately from each other, that is how a deal was probably made. From what we know, Ike and Kevin are not on good terms with each other and are doing their own thing in their own worlds.

Ike got something out of the Fox-Marvel TV deal, could be a bigger share of the television profits, including syndication, some more money out of the toys lines, or this is another way to stick it Feige.

 

[Zarex]

Well, if Marvel Studios and Marvel TV are now operating separately from each other, that is how a deal was probably made. From what we know, Ike and Kevin are not on good terms with each other and are doing their own thing in their own worlds.

Ike got something out of the Fox-Marvel TV deal, could be a bigger share of the television profits, including syndication, some more money out of the toys lines, or this is another way to stick it Feige.

But they all ultimately report to Bob Iger. And I can't see him approving any deal that strengthens a competitor's hold over Disney owned characters in exchange for a bigger piece of Legion or a larger slice of X-Men movie tie in merchandise. Which Disney hasn't done to any significant degree since XMO:W.

I still contend that the deal was bigger than what was I initially disclosed.

 

[Darepool]

Why be quiet if that's the case? What's the endgame for either corporation?

 

[Zarex]

Why be quiet if that's the case? What's the endgame for either corporation?

Because it looks bad for FOX to have the transfer take place so soon after FFINO. And Marvel won't have space for the characters until 2020.

 

[InCali]

Because it looks bad for FOX to have the transfer take place so soon after FFINO. And Marvel won't have space for the characters until 2020.

I hope you're right. FF was my fav group way back when; more so than The Avengers.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't agree. Marvel has been (successfully) grooming a whole new group of people to step in. While FF would be a nice boost, I don't think "need" is a word I'd use.

Plus they can just recast Iron Man, Cap, etc. and use them in more films as well.

 

[Dasher10]

Ugh. Doesn't sound like there's a Spider-Man deal being made.

Fox know that the FF are box office poison and they'd rather wait out the timer than strike a deal and make money on a good FF film. That means no FF in Phase 4 and we'll have to wait until Phase 5. That also means that Kang won't be the big bad of Avengers 5 and Doctor Doom won't appear in Black Panther 2.

 

[Darkraid]

I have a feeling RDJ, Evans and Hemsworth are no way done with MCU even after IW. Sure, we'll see less of them but they will still be reprising their roles. But I think there won't be anymore IM, Cap and Thor movies after their trilogies. I hope they do though.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't want to go from Thanos right into another global conqueror in Kang anyways. I'd rather see something different like Secret Invasion or Dark Reign/Dark Avengers.

 

[Darepool]

Because it looks bad for FOX to have the transfer take place so soon after FFINO. And Marvel won't have space for the characters until 2020.

I would love it if that were the reason, but I think it would be odd (and rare) if only part of a deal were reported by the press. FFINO has been out of theaters for 15 months and I'm sure the DVD/Blu rays are collecting dust in $5 bins everywhere. You would think enough time has passed to make an announcement if one were to be made. The amount of months between now and 2020 is roughly the same amount of time between Marvel's announcement of Captain Marvel's delay and it's 2019 release, so I doubt that would be an issue for Marvel.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

From Fox's perspective, I think they are just kicking the can down the road until there is no more road. They don't want to let it go back to Marvel and they don't want to make another film, so they are stalling for as long as they possibly can before they have to choose one.

 

[InCali]

From Fox's perspective, I think they are just kicking the can down the road until there is no more road. They don't want to let it go back to Marvel and they don't want to make another film, so they are stalling for as long as they possibly can before they have to choose one.

As we approach 2020, I think Fox starts to lose bargaining power unless they REALLY are interested in making another FF movie. I can't imagine why they would do that unless they can get Snyder to direct it. t:

 

[ehh]

Fox will probably just make a FF reboot every 7 years to retain the rights and spite Marvel at the same time.

 

[Darepool]

From Fox's perspective, I think they are just kicking the can down the road until there is no more road. They don't want to let it go back to Marvel and they don't want to make another film, so they are stalling for as long as they possibly can before they have to choose one.

I agree. I think the belief that Marvel got something in return for the X-Men television deal is an optimistic perspective and one I wish I could share, but I think it was just an avenue with which to make money off the X-Men in live action. Hope I'm wrong.

 

[InCali]

Fox will probably just make a FF reboot every 7 years to retain the rights and spite Marvel at the same time.

And lose another 100M or so.....

$168M WW with an advertised production budget of 120M (which I've heard is on the low side). That's some outstanding business practices.....

Unfortunately, I'm not convinced Marvel is that concerned about getting rights to FF back....I sure am...

 

[Darepool]

And lose another 100M or so.....

$168M WW with an advertised production budget of 120M (which I've heard is on the low side). That's some outstanding business practices.....

Unfortunately, I'm not convinced Marvel is that concerned about getting rights to FF back....I sure am...

I'm sure they'd love to have the characters, some who you'd probably see appear before a FF film is made. The main point, which you made in this thread, is they don't need them at the moment.

 

[InCali]

I'm sure they'd love to have the characters, some who you'd probably see appear before a FF film is made. The main point, which you made in this thread, is they don't need them at the moment.

Yeah. Marvel can play the long game and aren't anything close to desperate to get the rights back any time soon. Even if they got them back tomorrow, they couldn't really use them for years. IW is pretty much set. I'd say 2020-21 at the very earliest.

 

[Darkraid]

Fox, I've come to bargain...