The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 7

[Web-Head]

Most interested to see what marvel does with sh. Vulture looked good can't wait to see shocker and how they do his powers

Vulture looks great! Plus the way they've been describing him has me hopeful, but Marvel really needs to start caring more about their villains

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So even Deadpool's success couldn't undo what 4stic caused...........Fascinating!

Good point, because like Fant4stic, you can actually see Deadpool's effect on that chart. Deadpool came out on Feb 12, and you can see a rise associated with it, but nope, that rise isn't close to matching the sharp drop directly associated with Fant4stic.

And with Deadpool, Wolverine and X-Men all having films that have made far more than the best-performing FF film, why would any competent manager want to continue to piss off the fans and f*** around with the FF when they have plenty of X-Men characters that can be mixed and matched and actually make money?

 

[Spiderine]

Good point, because like Fant4stic, you can actually see Deadpool's effect on that chart. Deadpool came out on Feb 12, and you can see a rise associated with it, but nope, that rise isn't close to matching the sharp drop directly associated with Fant4stic.

And with Deadpool, Wolverine and X-Men all having films that have made far more than the best-performing FF film, why would any competent manager want to continue to piss off the fans and f*** around with the FF when they have plenty of X-Men characters that can be mixed and matched and actually make money?

Oh no...........but the FF is a billion dollar franchise that FOX can still tap into and make a ton of money on according to several on this board. There is still enough time to get it right. People will forget all about the last film. Give them time. FOX got big plans for this property. Look how people got hyped about the new Spiderman. They forgave Sony they will forgive FOX. We didn't spend enough money on the last one. We just need to increase the budget.....yeah thats it.

 

[InCali]

Good point, because like Fant4stic, you can actually see Deadpool's effect on that chart. Deadpool came out on Feb 12, and you can see a rise associated with it, but nope, that rise isn't close to matching the sharp drop directly associated with Fant4stic.

And with Deadpool, Wolverine and X-Men all having films that have made far more than the best-performing FF film, why would any competent manager want to continue to piss off the fans and f*** around with the FF when they have plenty of X-Men characters that can be mixed and matched and actually make money?

I'm not an expert, but that seems like an incredibly steep drop to attribute to the FF fiasco alone. Surely there was some confluence of events that caused the stock to plummet.

That being said, when something like that happens, people get very skittish and even the reminder of an event that coincided with such a drop will make people, well, rather sick.

Sorta like if you get sick immediately after eating tomato soup. The soup didn't cause you to get sick, but you aren't going to want eat any again for awhile.

 

[InCali]

Oh no...........but the FF is a billion dollar franchise that FOX can still tap into and make a ton of money on according to several on this board. There is still enough time to get it right. People will forget all about the last film. Give them time. FOX got big plans for this property. Look how people got hyped about the new Spiderman. They forgave Sony they will forgive FOX. We didn't spend enough money on the last one. We just need to increase the budget.....yeah thats it.

They'll also need to tell Josh to do a better job next time.....

 

[Dark Raven]

I'm not an expert, but that seems like an incredibly steep drop to attribute to the FF fiasco alone. Surely there was some confluence of events that caused the stock to plummet.

That being said, when something like that happens, people get very skittish and even the reminder of an event that coincided with such a drop will make people, well, rather sick.

Sorta like if you get sick immediately after eating tomato soup. The soup didn't cause you to get sick, but you aren't going to want eat any again for awhile.

How do you know it's the soup and not a coincidence? It could also be a reimagined soup that tries to do something fresh and different. This dark and gritty tomato soup sounds really interesting. I'm going to eat this soup ten times!!

 

[Endeavor]

There is no argument to be had. The MCU has never had a villain anywhere near as bad as either version of Dr. Doom, and the vast majority of their villains are better than the likes of Apocalypse and Francis as well. They are also way better than most recent DC villains like Lex Luthor, Doomsday, Joker, Enchantress, Hector Hammond, and Parallax. And Sony's recent villains like Electro, Rhino, Weird Ed Goblin, and Lizard.

Marvel's "villain problems" are really overstated.

Amen

 

[Darth_Spock]

I'm not an expert, but that seems like an incredibly steep drop to attribute to the FF fiasco alone. Surely there was some confluence of events that caused the stock to plummet.

It was most of the 3rd quarter in 2015 that did it.

Fantastic 4, Hitman: Agent 47 and The Scorched trials all bombed. 4stic being the worse of the lot.

It was enough to subdue the decent profit that Paper Towns made in July of 2015.

 

[DrCosmic]

I know darn well how numbers "work" as I have for my entire 20 plus years in accounting and finance. The only one spinning numbers here is you.

The GI Joe series had exactly one bad film from which to recover. And how would you suggest the folks at FOX replicate the success of the Fast and the Furious films? Should they bring back Chicklis and Evans for Fant4sti2: The Quickening?

Your big numbers confuse me, but Ill put on my ciphering hat and take a crack!
Let's say the NA, foreign non China, and China split is $100M, $100M and $50M, respectively. That leaves our good friends at FOX with a net (not including Marvel's take) of $50M, $40M and 12.5M, or a net of $102.5M on a $250WW BO gross. If we go with your laughably low $100M budget, the studio makes $2.5M - if they spent nothing on marketing. If they spend half of the production budget. which is typical of big studio features, the Murdochs are eating a loss of approximately $47.5

That's how numbers work. And I never said inconceivable (though I did see the movie). Both your math and reading comprehension skills need work.

I know from my decades in business that people care about actual costs a heck of a lot more than opportunity costs. Suggesting that FOX will willingly eat another 8 figure loss in order to avoid missing out on earnings that they have zero chance of realizing is ridiculous. FOX is going to try and get their X-Men franchise back on track, not waste more funds on the FF.

I'm not spinning numbers, I'm just pointing out the simple fact that past failures do not determine the quality and word of mouth of the next FF film. If the number is $300 M to make a profit so be it. If the next FF film movie makes over $300M with a budget you, for some reason, laugh at, it wouldn't be the first movie to do so, or the second or the third, or even the tenth.

What I'm looking for is the math that shows they have zero chance of making a good film, or that a good film has zero chance of turning a profit. Unless you have that formula, you're simply misusing numbers. Unless you have that formula, then your guarantees that the next film will be an six, seven, or eight figure loss are based on your feelings, and not your accounting experience.

And feelings are fine, but we can always challenge the factuality of them, yes?

....................So are you lobbying for another Fox released F4 film on an ongoing thread that wishes for anything but that?

What exactly is your end game here? Bored and playing the "Debbie Downer" role until Fox brings up some X-men news that's actually worth getting excited for these days?

Marvel Studios/Entertainment has done some good things with DD, Punisher, Hulk, Ghost Rider and Spider-man since getting them back from other incompetent studios. So it makes sense that Fox and their dwindling Marvel supporters would drag their feet with letting go of F4 because once they do and the MCU turns garbage into gold once again.... WE ALL KNOW WHICH IP IS NEXT!

Who cares? Why is my motivation relevant to my argument? If I'm a random number generator attached to a dictionary, and I ask a question you can't answer, does that hole in your argument just... not count? At what point is are the fats more important than your feelings?

Did I ever mention to you guys how much money I threw away by not becoming an NBA player? Opportunity costs aren't real if the opportunity isn't real.

Fox tried three times and made successively less money on each attempt to the point the company's market cap literally lost billions as a nearly direct result of the abject failure of Fant4stic.

Any manager who chooses to try again will be (rightfully) pilloried by the shareholders.

I'm a little sketchy on this idea that there is no opportunity to make money with the Fantastic Four. What is that based on?

And FYI, GI Joe: Retaliation was a critical bomb that barely made North of "Breaking Even" at the box office.

The movie merchandise (toys) were even self-warming isles in most major retail stores and it's been 3 years since that film released and I've yet to hear of another sequel.

So it's funny that anyone would even bring that film up to defend a 4tsic sequel/reboot. Paramount had done so poorly last Summer (-$350M+ according to The Numbers Dot Com) because they still can't comprehend that Bayformer's fame is the exception and not rule and that making films like G.I.Joe and Battleship are the real reality when you make big budget crap.

But if Fox wants to follow that pattern, then let'em go right ahead..... Especially since there's nothing but X-men spin-offs rumored to be releasing anyway.

So... it's not that there's no chance of making money, it's just that it's difficult?

The arguments made here that Marvel *already* has the FF rights back are actually compelling. The arguments made that Fox has a 0% chance of making money on another film if they do have the rights are less so, mostly because 0% is a real statistical construct, and you're not using statistics, you're using trigger words.

 

[InCali]

I'm not spinning numbers, I'm just pointing out the simple fact that past failures do not determine the quality and word of mouth of the next FF film. If the number is $300 M to make a profit so be it. If the next FF film movie makes over $300M with a budget you, for some reason, laugh at, it wouldn't be the first movie to do so, or the second or the third, or even the tenth.

What I'm looking for is the math that shows they have zero chance of making a good film, or that a good film has zero chance of turning a profit. Unless you have that formula, you're simply misusing numbers. Unless you have that formula, then your guarantees that the next film will be an six, seven, or eight figure loss are based on your feelings, and not your accounting experience.

And feelings are fine, but we can always challenge the factuality of them, yes?



Who cares? Why is my motivation relevant to my argument? If I'm a random number generator attached to a dictionary, and I ask a question you can't answer, does that hole in your argument just... not count? At what point is are the fats more important than your feelings?



I'm a little sketchy on this idea that there is no opportunity to make money with the Fantastic Four. What is that based on?



So... it's not that there's no chance of making money, it's just that it's difficult?

The arguments made here that Marvel *already* has the FF rights back are actually compelling. The arguments made that Fox has a 0% chance of making money on another film if they do have the rights are less so, mostly because 0% is a real statistical construct, and you're not using statistics, you're using trigger words.

Of course there is never truly a 0% chance of anything, but Fox would have a difficult time getting yet another FF off the ground for a lot of reasons that have already been expressed. Do they REALLY want to take yet another shot at this and probably lose money once again? I suppose that if they really thought they could make money, they'd go ahead with it, but the public has noticeably soured on FF. IMO only Marvel has the brand to turn it around. I don't see Fox preferring to lose money so Marvel doesn't have a chance to make any. That doesn't strike me as good business. Maybe they think they can make some cheesy ultra low budget movie and not lose too much.

If they churn out some movie on a shoestring budget that goes direct to video, does that count as far as the rights agreement goes?

 

[Endeavor]

Hard to say without looking at the books. I will say this, we know Disney paid Paramount over 115MM to get Avengers and Ironman 3 distribution off their claws. I don't think live action movie production and distribution rights to FF and its lore is worth that much at this time.

I didn't know that bit of info. It does give a better idea of what might be a feasible exchange.

 

[InCali]

How do you know it's the soup and not a coincidence? It could also be a reimagined soup that tries to do something fresh and different. This dark and gritty tomato soup sounds really interesting. I'm going to eat this soup ten times!!

HOHOHO.....Pavlov's dog. Just having that stimulus in close proximity of time to a reaction causes association.

Now go have some gritty, deep soup, but stay away from the tomato. t:

 

[wobbly]

Regarding Fox's chances of success with the FF should they try again...

It's very much an uphill struggle not matter what imo. First they'd have to nail the FF in a manner they have failed to in 3 attempts so far, and with Simple Simon Kinberg steering the Fox CBM ship for their Marvel stuff it's hard to see where the brains and talent will come from to achieve that feat.

Second, the film has to be good enough to to overcome the bad taste left over from FFINO. Average won't cut it, it has to be a damned good film.

For some perspective on that matter, prior examples of good or decent reboots suffering from a dire prior attempt are Batman Begins, The Incredible Hulk and Dredd: BB didn't fly out of the gates, It was a slow burner with tremendous legs thanks to word of mouth spreading that audiences were spared a repeat of Schumacher's rubber nippled neon nightmares, and it was actually a good film.

TIH was a solid effort and better by far than the 03 job, but I can see why it wasn't good enough to get audiences back on board (some iffy CGI, too much Banner again etc). They won't do another Hulk solo while UNI holds the distribution rights, but if they did it would do far better now the Marvel 'MCU' brand has become so huge.

Urban's Dredd was vastly superior to Stallone's scattershot effort, but not nearly enough people were interested.

So I'm just not seeing where Fox are going to come up with an FF formula that can resurrect the franchise in their hands. The people in charge have no clue with Kinberg, whose 'talent' is at best average and at worst utterly awful, presumably having the sturdiest knees and longest tongue in the business.

Add to that the built in fan-base is nowhere near big enough to support another job, and they also don't want one from Fox. Plus, in this MCU era more and more people 'in the wild' are getting clued up on who is attending the big MCU party, and who is not and held by Fox.

So to sum up...it's not impossible they could do a profitable flick, but the obstacles in play do make me think it is simply beyond them. The smart play is to stick to the X-men and expand where they can with them, and get whatever the can from Disney for the FF.

 

[Val_Zod]

Regarding Fox's chances of success with the FF should they try again...

It's very much an uphill struggle not matter what imo. First they'd have to nail the FF in a manner they have failed to in 3 attempts so far, and with Simple Simon Kinberg steering the Fox CBM ship for their Marvel stuff it's hard to see where the brains and talent will come from to achieve that feat.

Second, the film has to be good enough to to overcome the bad taste left over from FFINO. Average won't cut it, it has to be a damned good film.

For some perspective on that matter, prior examples of good or decent reboots suffering from a dire prior attempt are Batman Begins, The Incredible Hulk and Dredd: BB didn't fly out of the gates, It was a slow burner with tremendous legs thanks to word of mouth spreading that audiences were spared a repeat of Schumacher's rubber nippled neon nightmares, and it was actually a good film.

TIH was a solid effort and better by far than the 03 job, but I can see why it wasn't good enough to get audiences back on board (some iffy CGI, too much Banner again etc). They won't do another Hulk solo while UNI holds the distribution rights, but if they did it would do far better now the Marvel 'MCU' brand has become so huge.

Urban's Dredd was vastly superior to Stallone's scattershot effort, but not nearly enough people were interested.

So I'm just not seeing where Fox are going to come up with an FF formula that can resurrect the franchise in their hands. The people in charge have no clue with Kinberg, whose 'talent' is at best average and at worst utterly awful, presumably having the sturdiest knees and longest tongue in the business.

Add to that the built in fan-base is nowhere near big enough to support another job, and they also don't want one from Fox. Plus, in this MCU era more and more people 'in the wild' are getting clued up on who is attending the big MCU party, and who is not and held by Fox.

So to sum up...it's not impossible they could do a profitable flick, but the obstacles in play do make me think it is simply beyond them. The smart play is to stick to the X-men and expand where they can with them, and get whatever the can from Disney for the FF.

I'd even goes as far to say Fox stricking gold with the Fantastic Four at this stage is less likely than even Xmen going back to Marvel.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm not an expert, but that seems like an incredibly steep drop to attribute to the FF fiasco alone. Surely there was some confluence of events that caused the stock to plummet.

The sharpest drop is almost pure FF - if you look at the exact dates, the sharpest drop starts precisely when the reviews started coming out and the S&P was flat at that point.

The S&P did drop at the second drop, so that was a one-two punch to Fox when other stocks didn't get the first punch. And the reason it has stayed depressed is their general poor profits - but Murdoch singled out the FF as a major reason the year was a let-down.

 

[Spiderine]

Regarding Fox's chances of success with the FF should they try again...

It's very much an uphill struggle not matter what imo. First they'd have to nail the FF in a manner they have failed to in 3 attempts so far, and with Simple Simon Kinberg steering the Fox CBM ship for their Marvel stuff it's hard to see where the brains and talent will come from to achieve that feat.

Second, the film has to be good enough to to overcome the bad taste left over from FFINO. Average won't cut it, it has to be a damned good film.

For some perspective on that matter, prior examples of good or decent reboots suffering from a dire prior attempt are Batman Begins, The Incredible Hulk and Dredd: BB didn't fly out of the gates, It was a slow burner with tremendous legs thanks to word of mouth spreading that audiences were spared a repeat of Schumacher's rubber nippled neon nightmares, and it was actually a good film.

TIH was a solid effort and better by far than the 03 job, but I can see why it wasn't good enough to get audiences back on board (some iffy CGI, too much Banner again etc). They won't do another Hulk solo while UNI holds the distribution rights, but if they did it would do far better now the Marvel 'MCU' brand has become so huge.

Urban's Dredd was vastly superior to Stallone's scattershot effort, but not nearly enough people were interested.

So I'm just not seeing where Fox are going to come up with an FF formula that can resurrect the franchise in their hands. The people in charge have no clue with Kinberg, whose 'talent' is at best average and at worst utterly awful, presumably having the sturdiest knees and longest tongue in the business.

Add to that the built in fan-base is nowhere near big enough to support another job, and they also don't want one from Fox. Plus, in this MCU era more and more people 'in the wild' are getting clued up on who is attending the big MCU party, and who is not and held by Fox.

So to sum up...it's not impossible they could do a profitable flick, but the obstacles in play do make me think it is simply beyond them. The smart play is to stick to the X-men and expand where they can with them, and get whatever the can from Disney for the FF.

Here's the thing that gets me. When it comes to reboots or revivals there is often already some nostalgia or a wildly successful film that was made in the series that resonated with audiences in the past. Or a decent amount of time has passed where you can try another take on a film that failed financially and critically but there is still potential to do something great.

FF never had that film. There has been 3 films made in the past 11 years. One of them just made was one of the worse comic book films period ever made from a major franchise. I have a hard time hearing anybody make an argument that the same studio that made those films can still make a successful film that could over come all this in an era of unrelenting competition. This isn't Xmen where the series took a downward turn and was worth continuing. Xmen at one time kicked the craze off. FOX could make a damn good FF film but would have a hard time putting butts in the seats to justify another shot at it. One that would require a bigger investment. I just don't see it at all.

Furthermore.......diehards like many of us have already turned on FOX having anymore to do with FF. Anyone announcing another film is a suicide attempt.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I'm a little sketchy on this idea that there is no opportunity to make money with the Fantastic Four. What is that based on?

There is close to zero chance they will make money on an FF film (without Marvel's help) because there is close to zero chance they will make another FF film (without Marvel's help).

The most basic reason I say that is because of this:

Anyone who thinks Fox might seriously make another FF film is delusional. There's no other word for it.

Immediately following the reviews of Fant4stic, Fox stock dropped SHARPLY, and within a couple months it went from about $35 to about $25. And it still hasn't recovered and is currently at $27.75 with a listed Market Cap of $51.8 Billion.
If we do the math on that, that means Fox's value dropped approximately $19 BILLION in the months following Fant4stic.

And if you look at the chart of Gross Box Office dollars for the three FF films in order, it looks like this:

No Fox manager who wants to keep their job will even suggest, let alone actually vocally support, another effort. The property is a liability to them. It's costing them money.

The longer they hold on to it, the more they are just throwing shareholder's money away.

And as we have discussed on this thread, there are other reasons - such as the complete hatred for Fox from Fantastic Four fans based not only on the awful Fant4stic (and other bad FF films), but the arrogant way Fox thumbed their nose at those fans for the year and a half leading up to Fant4stic.

A property like FF (or Spider-man or Superman etc.) has more inherent value than a lesser property (like Squirrel Girl) because there is a fan-base that will show up to see a film based on a property they know and like.

Fox had that going into FF1. They still had some fans remaining for FF2, and they even had some fans still remaining for Fant4stic, but Fant4stic was so awful, they will have the opposite of a fan-base if they try again.

They will have an angry mob that will set fire to the internet at the first suggestion they might try again.

Only an idiotic company would invest money to create a product when the potential consumers of that product have said, in no uncertain terms, they don't want that product.

 

[Zarex]

I'm not spinning numbers, I'm just pointing out the simple fact that past failures do not determine the quality and word of mouth of the next FF film. If the number is $300 M to make a profit so be it. If the next FF film movie makes over $300M with a budget you, for some reason, laugh at, it wouldn't be the first movie to do so, or the second or the third, or even the tenth.

But past failures do, in fact, negatively impact future films in the same franchise. We saw this recently with the Ninja Turtles movies. The first Bay film was widely panned, but did decent business. The second installment was better received, but flopped. Now, we'll see the Turtles again, because Paramount owns the franchise and earns money from ancillary sources. FOX doesn't with the FF.

What I'm looking for is the math that shows they have zero chance of making a good film, or that a good film has zero chance of turning a profit. Unless you have that formula, you're simply misusing numbers. Unless you have that formula, then your guarantees that the next film will be an six, seven, or eight figure loss are based on your feelings, and not your accounting experience.

The problem is twofold. One issue is that the FF is a very expensive property to put onscreen. All three FOX offerings have looked shoddy in comparison to the competition, and FFINO with its $100M ($120M with reboots) budget actually looked worse than its predecessors. Showing a fully powered team on-screen is likely going to cost at least a buck fifty, and probably quite a bit more if an established star or two are cast in the film.

So we're looking at total costs including marketing of at least $200M. What can we expect for a return on our investment? The high water mark for the franchise was $330M WW way back in 2005. FFINO earned a whopping $168M. Let's say for S&G that that Fant4sti2: Genysis earns plaudits and bring in a whopping $420M at the WW BO, 2.5 times the return of FFINO. That's great! Wildly unrealistic, but great!

But even in this extreme circumstance in which everything goes right, FOX loses money. Let's say the split is $150 NA, $200 FN and $50M CH. In this scenario FOX brings in (Not including the Mouse's cut) $75M, $80M and $12.5M. In this perfect scenario, FOX loses $32.5M. Even when they win, they lose.

A costly franchise with a crappy BO history is an absolute worst case scenario for a studio. The only reason we're having these conversations is because of rights reversion. We would all laugh if FOX announced Independence Day : The Final Battle or Disney announced The BFG 2. We shouldn't take Fant4sti2: Reloaded seriously either. The numbers simply don't work.

 

[Crimz]

There is close to zero chance they will make money on an FF film (without Marvel's help) because there is close to zero chance they will make another FF film (without Marvel's help).

The most basic reason I say that is because of this:



And as we have discussed on this thread, there are other reasons - such as the complete hatred for Fox from Fantastic Four fans based not only on the awful Fant4stic (and other bad FF films), but the arrogant way Fox thumbed their nose at those fans for the year and a half leading up to Fant4stic.

A property like FF (or Spider-man or Superman etc.) has more inherent value than a lesser property (like Squirrel Girl) because there is a fan-base that will show up to see a film based on a property they know and like.

Fox had that going into FF1. They still had some fans remaining for FF2, and they even had some fans still remaining for Fant4stic, but Fant4stic was so awful, they will have the opposite of a fan-base if they try again.

They will have an angry mob that will set fire to the internet at the first suggestion they might try again.

Only an idiotic company would invest money to create a product when the potential consumers of that product have said, in no uncertain terms, they don't want that product.

I'm sharpening my pitchfork in the extremely low chance that Fox tries again.

 

[rockman1216]

You know about the X-MEN spin-offs, it would be cool if Marvel and Fox sorta work together on those, sort of in like getting Feige to approve or give his opinion on things, and give his tips on them, maybe just maybe Fox asking Feige, can we add these into MCU continuity, so at a later date when their schedules are more free, they can work on a solo X-MEN movie together similar to Spider-Man Homecoming, or an Avengers X-MEN Crossover, or a Fantastic Four movie.

So pretty much what I'm thinking they should have Feige oversee New Mutants, Deadpool 2, X-Force in the same way he sorta oversaw ASM1, and ASM2(where he said he didn't like the script and Sony/Avi Arad told him to F off imagine if Fox actually listens to him), Fox then goes to Marvel and asks is it ok for these movies to exist in the MCU continuity hopefully Marvel says ok to that, so they can establish mutants as a concept, building up to an MCU X-MEN franchise, which would then give the spin-offs a hell of a lot more longevity to them, because the MCU ain't going nowhere I don't think the same can be said for the X-MEN franchise in the long term.

Right now fine they don't have to do a team up like Spider-Man Homecoming, but if Marvel can at least oversee New Mutants, Deadpool, and X-Force and allow them to be in MCU canon, that would be good enough for right now, they don't have to have team ups with the Avengers-X-Men, Fantastic Four, or an X-MEN solo, but if they can set up elements of the X-MEN concepts like mutants, X-Force, New Mutants, and Deadpool to appear in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, then the X-MEN later down the road that's fine.

 

[cleverusername8]

Maybe this is the Rogue One hype still talking, but after watching Mads Mikkelsen play a character named Galen in that movie, it made me realize how much of a missed opportunity that it was not casting him as Galactus.

Given how Marvel doesn't have the rights and likely won't for a long time, it might not be that big of a deal to pull a Mariah Dillard on him and cast him in his second role of the MCU, but I would get behind a Mikkelsen Galactus as a Phase 6 or 7 big bad (way down the road of course).

 

[ADollarADay]

Let's say the FF live action movie rights reverted back to Marvel, how would you like to receive this news?

1) At a Comic Con/Disney D23?
2) At a Marvel press event (like the one they held to announce Phase 3 movies)?
3) At the announcement of Phase 4 movies?
4) Random announcement out of nowhere, like the Marvel/Sony deal?
5) In an interview with Feige/Quesada/some other Marvel/Disney exec?
6) The characters randomly appearing in a movie? i.e. Johnny Storm appearing in Spiderman Homecoming/Homecoming 2
7) The characters randomly appearing in a mid credit/post credit scene? i.e. Doctor Doom laughing as the end credit scene of Infinity War

I go back and forth on event or character appearing in the movie unexpectedly, but I think I would prefer it be announced in an event, just for the hype that it would generate. Something akin to marvel/sony deal or in an interview would be the lamest ones IMO.

 

[NotNickFury]

Maybe this is the Rogue One hype still talking, but after watching Mads Mikkelsen play a character named Galen in that movie, it made me realize how much of a missed opportunity that it was not casting him as Galactus.

Given how Marvel doesn't have the rights and likely won't for a long time, it might not be that big of a deal to pull a Mariah Dillard on him and cast him in his second role of the MCU, but I would get behind a Mikkelsen Galactus as a Phase 6 or 7 big bad (way down the road of course).

That's two major roles in the films, though. Alfre Woodard, Matt Gerald, Enver Gjokah- the difference is that their characters in the films were minor compared to who they played in any of the Marvel TV or Netflix stuff. What you're asking is for Mikkelsen to go from playing one big bad to another, still in the films.

 

[Zarex]

Let's say the FF live action movie rights reverted back to Marvel, how would you like to receive this news?

1) At a Comic Con/Disney D23?
2) At a Marvel press event (like the one they held to announce Phase 3 movies)?
3) At the announcement of Phase 4 movies?
4) Random announcement out of nowhere, like the Marvel/Sony deal?
5) In an interview with Feige/Quesada/some other Marvel/Disney exec?
6) The characters randomly appearing in a movie? i.e. Johnny Storm appearing in Spiderman Homecoming/Homecoming 2
7) The characters randomly appearing in a mid credit/post credit scene? i.e. Doctor Doom laughing as the end credit scene of Infinity War

I go back and forth on event or character appearing in the movie unexpectedly, but I think I would prefer it be announced in an event, just for the hype that it would generate. Something akin to marvel/sony deal or in an interview would be the lamest ones IMO.

I would prefer a personal phone call from Mr. Feige.

But in all seriousness, #7 is the way to go. The ending of the 2019 Avengers film has the potential to be a bit of a bummer with heroes hanging up the spandex, seriously wounded and perhaps even dead. What better way to start off Phase 4 than showing an appearance of Doom, a flash of the Surfer, a glimpse of Galactus or the FF ship making their to the present day MCU? Rather than having fans leaving the theaters thinking that 2008-2019 was a good run, you'd have them excited about what's to come.

 

[GoblinScrier]

That's two major roles in the films, though. Alfre Woodard, Matt Gerald, Enver Gjokah- the difference is that their characters in the films were minor compared to who they played in any of the Marvel TV or Netflix stuff. What you're asking is for Mikkelsen to go from playing one big bad to another, still in the films.

Mikkelsen is great in whatever he is in...the problem is, Marvel gets a hold of him and makes a villain but not THE villain...he was born to be Victor Von Doom and I wish they could have reserved his talents for that role.