The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[wobbly]

It always bugs me that there seems to be an attitude that if it happened in the comics, it's canon, but with lots of different artists and writers throwing their two cents in through the years, there are a lot of gems and there are a lot of flops.

I like the idea that Doom's face is only mildly scarred (and NOBODY ever sees it - including us) because that helps to illustrate the extreme nature of his vanity. But if a film-maker chooses an alternate take they can always pull it out of something.

And we ran into that problem with Fant4stic. Some tried to argue that it was "comic accurate" because there were elements that were featured in some comic-books at some time. But just because they were in a comic-book doesn't mean those elements are iconic or representative of the 50+ years.

The idea that Doom can be anything because he was once portrayed as a goat-legged freak is just plain wrong.

This was Kirby's original idea for Doom (just a scar on his cheek):

However this idea was thrown out early on in FF#10 when he revealed his face to Stan & Jack themselves:

John Byrne would later revisit the idea when Doom was believed dead and his Doombots re-programmed the young Kristoffs mind into thinking he was Doom:

But to cover how his face become severely messed up (as it was clearly meant to be going by assorted characters horrified reactions to it down the years) Byrne also revisited the scene where Dooms first dons his still hot mask, and this time is was still red hot, so Doom's severe disfigurement was basically down to impatience, arrogance and no small stupidity:

Afaik though this ret-con has not been acknowledged since (well, that was a remarkably stupid thing for Doom to do after all) so I guess the official line is that for whatever reason the Doombots altered the memories they put into Kristoff's head.

 

[Dark Raven]

However this idea was thrown out early on in FF#10 when he revealed his face to Stan & Jack themselves:

But some people react that way to regular people who aren't even scarred but they just think they're fugly. I bet you can get people who go to fancy dress parties and want to have a drink at some point during the evening. So they take off their mask and someone might say to them "Ugh that face! Don't take off your mask! Don't!" Some people can just be cruel. It's probably worse today with social media and teenagers/ school kids making fun of each other.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

This was Kirby's original idea for Doom (just a scar on his cheek):

However this idea was thrown out early on in FF#10 when he revealed his face to Stan & Jack themselves:

John Byrne would later revisit the idea when Doom was believed dead and his Doombots re-programmed the young Kristoffs mind into thinking he was Doom:

But to cover how his face become severely messed up (as it was clearly meant to be going by assorted characters horrified reactions to it down the years) Byrne also revisited the scene where Dooms first dons his still hot mask, and this time is was still red hot, so Doom's severe disfigurement was basically down to impatience, arrogance and no small stupidity:

Afaik though this ret-con has not been acknowledged since (well, that was a remarkably stupid thing for Doom to do after all) so I guess the official line is that for whatever reason the Doombots altered the memories they put into Kristoff's head.

Thanks for putting that all to together. Nice to see it so concise in one place!

 

[Dark Raven]

If people hadn't pointed out that Doom was meant to have a scar on his face in the Kirby artwork, I wouldn't have even known he had one. He draws all the same squiggly and jagged lines for all of his artwork. Even Doom's face mask or his gloved fingers might appear to have a scar.

And John Bryne's Doom looks just like his Reed Richards without hair, or like Professor X. All of his faces are exactly the same.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

https://***********/Marvel/status/824270614668210177

Please, please, please...

https://***********/AgentM/status/824278871918989312

I think they're probably just going to make an announcement about Black Panther and Avengers: Infinity War since they've just started filming.

Yeah, it's nice to think it could relate to FF, but there are 100 other things it could be.

 

[Zarex]

The Twitter announcements are from Marvel Entertainment, not Marvel Studios, so it is likely either TV or comics related.

 

[CTFFFan]

The Twitter announcements are from Marvel Entertainment, not Marvel Studios, so it is likely either TV or comics related.

Would love to see the FF return to comics

 

[DyfeddRex]

I seem to recall, but cannot find it anywhere, an interview with Kirby where he said the face under Doom's mask was Stan Lee's and the scar was real tiny.

 

[wobbly]

And John Bryne's Doom looks just like his Reed Richards without hair, or like Professor X. All of his faces are exactly the same.

Same could be said for most comic book artists tbh, past and modern.

I wouldn't single Byrne out for the sin of employing a 'default' man/woman face. I can think of worse offenders too.

 

[Web-Head]

http://screenrant.com/scott-derrickson-fantastic-four-mcu/

 

[Timebomb]

With all the Fox TV news lately it has to be FF news.

 

[Mysteryman]

With all the Fox TV news lately it has to be FF
news.

My money is on a video game announcement.
But, we shall see.

 

[Darkraid]

Seems like it is a Kingdom Hearts/Marvel collaboration.

I still have hopes for FF in MCU in the future.

 

[Zant]

You know, I will not be surprised if an alternate script of Infinity Wars exist with FF characters in there, kinda like Spiderman in Civil. Anything can happen at any time. Marvel always has contingency plans it seems.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

http://screenrant.com/scott-derrickson-fantastic-four-mcu/

I always love it when the actual film-makers are keeping hope alive.t:

 

[Alex Murphy]

Tune in to what, exactly? Marvel's Twitter feed, right?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Tune in to what, exactly? Marvel's Twitter feed, right?

I would assume so. Since the original teaser was posted here:

https://***********/Marvel

It would make sense that the actual announcement (or link) would also be posted there.

But I'm hoping/assuming someone will post something here once it's out, so I figure I can just check in here.

I'd call it a 1 out of 1000 chance it's FF (film) related...

... but I've bought lottery tickets with longer odds than that.t:

 

[Alex Murphy]

They're late. I've reloaded the page twice now. Still no announcement.

 

[Alex Murphy]

It's an Avengers video game.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Bummer.

 

[Zarex]

Video Game

 

[Alex Murphy]

I'm disappointed.

 

[NotNickFury]

I mean, sounds like good news for the gamer crowd.

 

[Crimz]

If I were Marvel, even if I had the rights I would say nothing.

The best way to introduce them would be during Infinity War part 2. A larger amount of people will see it compared to an announcement and then they can go in detail during the comicon after.

But the wait for any news is unbearable.

 

[TheVileOne]

With all the Fox TV news lately it has to be FF news.

Why?