The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[Dark Raven]

Seriously? Because you aint getting what you want from the X-Men due to Fox having them, even though the FF makes NO difference to that situation either way, you want Fox to keep them regardless.

What a spiteful attitude.

It's precisely this Dog in the Manger attitude where, if you have no use for something, but you don't want anyone else to have it either:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Dog_in_the_Manger

That's what happened with the last FF movie and what Fox's attitude has been towards the FF.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

What a spiteful attitude.

If X-MEN can't get games or animation just because the film rights aren't with Disney? Your damn right I hope they don't return FF.


The biggest fighting game of the year Marvel v Capcom comes out this year that I've been playing the original version since 1995 (CotA) and now I have to hope and pray for an X-MEN roster pack (Which requires paying extra just for the privilege). Or put up with these godawful Marvel cartoons like Ultimate Spider-Man & Avengers Assemble with no X-MEN.


So yes if X-MEN can't get Games or Animation especially now in a era where technology is at an all time high but X-MEN is shut out because of Disney but that's somehow the right thing to do?

It's precisely this Dog in the Manger attitude where, if you have no use for something, but you don't want anyone else to have it either

That's exactly what Disney is doing but it's acceptable to MCU fans because hey it's Disney they can do whatever. The longest running Marvel cartoon is X-Men at 76 episodes and fans want another animated series but let's not give it to them because we don't have film rights.

Surprised they didn't just cancel X-MEN comics completely like they did FF. Since 100% compliance or Nothing seems to be the accepted way of doing things according to MCU fans

 

[Dasher10]

Fox and Marvel are already working together and co-producing TV shows. I think that it's likely that FF will wind up in a situation like Spider-Man at a minimum if not the rights reverting entirely in exchange for more X-Men TV shows and a merging of universes between the X-Men and MCU.

 

[TheVileOne]

Zelinsky's logic makes no sense.

Also, it's not like Marvel is suffering without the film rights to X-Men or Fantastic Four. If it's some perception of spite, they aren't feeling the pain.

 

[wobbly]

If X-MEN can't get games or animation just because the film rights aren't with Disney? Your damn right I hope they don't return FF.

Even though the FF being at Fox or not wouldn't change things one bit. You don't see how irrational this is?

You still wont get what you want, so you actively want long suffering FF fans to put up with perpetual crappy efforts from Fox.

This is like a kid not liking his presents on Christmas morning so they go and destroy every other kids toys. Case of 'Since I cant get what I want no-one else should.'

I get you don't care about or like the FF, but how would you feel if the positions were reversed? If it was your favourites the X-Men left in the cinematic sh#tter big time at Fox and the FF were the proven cash cow?

Would you be fine in that scenario with FF fans telling you they want Fox to keep the X-Men forever, with their sole rationale for this extreme being that they are deprived of some FF games and animations?

Or might you perhaps call them out for being selfish and spiteful?

 

[First Avenger]

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I want the F4 to be part of all this awesomeness.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

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I want the F4 to be part of all this awesomeness.

Patience. They may not get them in time for that story-line, but eventually they'll get them and FF/Galactus/Doom could very well be the big thing that allows them to top all this 10 years from now.

 

[Web-Head]

So Gunn wanted to use Bug in Guardians 2 but apparently his rights aren't with Marvel

 

[Orba]

So Gunn wanted to use Bug in Guardians 2 but apparently his rights aren't with Marvel

Probably connected to the fact that he started as one of the Micronauts which were based on a toy line. If I remember IDW started doing comics based on the Micronauts (and ROM) last year (although other Publishers have done Micronaut series in the past).

Now technically Marvel should probably own him since he was originally called 'Galactic Warrior' but became Bug after a few issues when Marvel realised that he looked nothing like the toy so if they changed his name he would become an original character that Marvel would own. But while Marvel continued to use him after they lost the Micronaut rights there may still be some issues that keep him from being in the MCU.

 

[ADollarADay]

If X-MEN can't get games or animation just because the film rights aren't with Disney? Your damn right I hope they don't return FF.


The biggest fighting game of the year Marvel v Capcom comes out this year that I've been playing the original version since 1995 (CotA) and now I have to hope and pray for an X-MEN roster pack (Which requires paying extra just for the privilege). Or put up with these godawful Marvel cartoons like Ultimate Spider-Man & Avengers Assemble with no X-MEN.


So yes if X-MEN can't get Games or Animation especially now in a era where technology is at an all time high but X-MEN is shut out because of Disney but that's somehow the right thing to do?





That's exactly what Disney is doing but it's acceptable to MCU fans because hey it's Disney they can do whatever. The longest running Marvel cartoon is X-Men at 76 episodes and fans want another animated series but let's not give it to them because we don't have film rights.

Surprised they didn't just cancel X-MEN comics completely like they did FF. Since 100% compliance or Nothing seems to be the accepted way of doing things according to MCU fans

As others have said, Disney wouldn't be hurting at all if Fox kept renewing FF into infinity. They would get some money, albeit a small amount. Marvel would hurt a bit because there would be characters they would want to use. FF fans. CBM fans, and fans in general would hurt a lot because they would be missing out on some amazing stuff. However, no one would hurt more than Fox. Losses on the last 2 movies, including a rumored $100MM on the last one, no ancillary money off merchandising and no way to keep further promoting the brand...Actually now that I think about it, I hope Fox does try and renew FF again, it would make it easier for Marvel/Disney to get both FF and XMen back later.

This is business and I'm actually surprised they haven't tried harder to squeeze Fox out of those rights. I know I would if I were in that position.

So Gunn wanted to use Bug in Guardians 2 but apparently his rights aren't with Marvel

Curious as to who would own him. Wiki says his team affiliations are with Micronauts (where he first appeared) and GoTG.

 

[Krystal]

The thread is "Keep Hope Alive", not "Abandon All Hope".

Hmm. You're right. I do have hope actually. I think there is a possibility of a deal. But even if there was one -- they'd hold that news for as long as possible. With their current slate -- especially Avengers 3 and 4. Why spill the beans early on the thing we'd probably want the most after Phase 3 is over?

Imagine as Avengers 4 approaches and the fans realization that some of the characters will be seen a lot less of, for at least a while -- and Marvel saying, "by the way, the epic-ness isn't over -- the FF and their "friends" are coming!!"

That would re-energize the fans -- if such a thing was needed.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Or might you perhaps call them out for being selfish and spiteful?

I have no control over any of this so I can hope for anything I want it changes nothing.


I wouldn't care what FF fans thought because I don't think X-MEN films are any good regardless. Honestly I think they suck. They may have a couple decent films but none of them are Uncanny X-Men movies. Like Avengers feels like the actual comics but FoX-Men doesn't. Marvel movies are the best hands down but I didn't grow up on those characters so I'm not invested in them like X-MEN.


I just want X-MEN games and animation but that's not going to happen but if some kind of deal can made where X-MEN Video Games and Animation can finally be made again like it should've always been since the 90's I can hope for that all I want.

Just like hoping FF return to Marvel in this thread changes nothing.

Basically your saying no X-MEN games or animated series for you now go sit and spin. Like it's atonishing that anyone could be unhappy that X-MEN get phased out

 

[wobbly]

I have no control over any of this so I can hope for anything I want it changes nothing.


I wouldn't care what FF fans thought because I don't think X-MEN films are any good regardless. Honestly I think they suck. They may have a couple decent films but none of them are Uncanny X-Men movies. Like Avengers feels like the actual comics but FoX-Men doesn't. Marvel movies are the best hands down but I didn't grow up on those characters so I'm not invested in them like X-MEN.


I just want X-MEN games and animation but that's not going to happen but if some kind of deal can made where X-MEN Video Games and Animation can finally be made again like it should've always been since the 90's I can hope for that all I want.

Just like hoping FF return to Marvel in this thread changes nothing.

Basically your saying no X-MEN games or animated series for you now go sit and spin. Like it's atonishing that anyone could be unhappy that X-MEN get phased out

No one is saying you shouldn't be unhappy you are not getting x-men games or animations. Don't go making straw man arguments.

But you shouldn't blame the FF for that, nor should you spitefully tell the FF fans here that you hope we never get the desired reversion.

 

[Dark Raven]

I hope that the FF rights revert followed by the X-Men, and then Marvel never makes any X-Men games or animation. Ever.

 

[Dasher10]

I don't think that we'll ever see Bug or ROM in the MCU.

I still think that now that Namor finally returned, we'll get him in a film.

What I'm really excited for is for Hulk to possibly revert in full next year.

Once Namor is in the MCU and a Hulk sequel gets greenlit, I'm banking on Marvel and Fox to work out a deal with the FF. The alternative is Fox spending nine figures on an FF film which they'll need to greenlight in 2019, start preproduction in 2020, film in 2021 and release in 2022. Mark my words, if Fox don't start production on another reboot in another two years, they'll just sell the rights back. Next two years are going to be great for Marvel.

 

[wobbly]

Aren't Rom and the Micronauts owned by a toy company? Marvel had the licence to do the Comics but never owned them?

 

[Web-Head]

I don't think that we'll ever see Bug or ROM in the MCU.

I still think that now that Namor finally returned, we'll get him in a film.

What I'm really excited for is for Hulk to possibly revert in full next year.

Once Namor is in the MCU and a Hulk sequel gets greenlit, I'm banking on Marvel and Fox to work out a deal with the FF. The alternative is Fox spending nine figures on an FF film which they'll need to greenlight in 2019, start preproduction in 2020, film in 2021 and release in 2022. Mark my words, if Fox don't start production on another reboot in another two years, they'll just sell the rights back. Next two years are going to be great for Marvel.

Namor is in the same situation as Hulk I believe.

 

[Orba]

Aren't Rom and the Micronauts owned by a toy company? Marvel had the licence to do the Comics but never owned them?

Yeah they were both comics that were written as tie-ins to toys. However Marvel do make a claim to the original characters created for the comics.

The case with ROM is clear, the character was named and established by the toy company however the supplemental characters are more complex. For example Marvel have put in a dispute over Hasbro trying to trademark Dire Wraiths, they were a villain that Marvel created for the ROM comic but IDW are also using them as their villain (with a different appearance though), the Dire Wraiths have even been used in X-Men comics.

With the Micronauts it was again a case of a toy line tie-in, but several characters were original creations that Marvel created for the series such as Marionette, Bug and Arcturus Rann. Bug was originally supposed to be based on the Galactic Warrior toy but he looked nothing like him so they changed his name and claimed him as an original character. As original characters Marvel has continued to use them in different comics after they lost the Micronauts franchise.

As far as I'm aware the new Micronauts series by IDW does not use Bug so I'm not sure why there would be an issue with his use on film. TBH as far as I can see the rights should be with Marvel unless there is something else with the rights that I'm not aware of.

They mention Bug almost being in the film at around 21minutes but there it just seemed to be that they just decided not to use him.
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The source of the story that they couldn't use Bug seems to be from about 55minutes into Geeknations Movie Crypt ep85 (nfsw language). This one seems to be from January 2015 while the video is from March 2014.

So really I have no idea why Marvel can't use Bug, as far as I can see the closest to having a claim might be Hasbro but as far as I'm aware there has been no attempt to by them to use him in any of the post-Marvel versions of the comic. About the only thing I can think of is that Gunn was not allowed to use Bug because he has been claimed for use in another film. For example for Ant-Man and Wasp it they plan to explore the subatomic universe.

 

[DawnWarrior]

Namor is in the same situation as Hulk I believe.

Sadly Namor doesn't seem to be popular enough to appear in a movie in spite of that. I wonder how long before that changes.

 

[Xeno]

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I want the F4 to be part of all this awesomeness.

The cover of The Infinity Gauntlet is visible several times, complete with the image of Silver Surfer. Marvel has selectively edited out images of characters it doesn't own from the source material in the past but let the Surfer stay in the picture. I choose to grasp at that straw and hold on for dear life.

 

[First Avenger]

The cover of The Infinity Gauntlet is visible several times, complete with the image of Silver Surfer. Marvel has selectively edited out images of characters it doesn't own from the source material in the past but let the Surfer stay in the picture. I choose to grasp at that straw and hold on for dear life.

Don't do this to me.

 

[Spiderine]

The cover of The Infinity Gauntlet is visible several times, complete with the image of Silver Surfer. Marvel has selectively edited out images of characters it doesn't own from the source material in the past but let the Surfer stay in the picture. I choose to grasp at that straw and hold on for dear life.

I don't know if some any of you pay attention to those Marvel 101 series of videos on you tube that feature various characters in the Marvel mythos but as pointed out before one of those vids feature Silver Surfer. I know theres a lot of random characters on those vids but most have highlighted past and future characters in the MCU

Thats the only one I have seen from a FOX held character. Hopefully there is more to this one.

 

[Web-Head]

Sadly Namor doesn't seem to be popular enough to appear in a movie in spite of that. I wonder how long before that changes.

I could see him popping up in a Black Panther sequel as the villain or F4 if/when that happens.

 

[Chip Chipperson]

I truly believe we're going to get a fantastic 4 related post credit scene at the end of avengers 4

Something to set up the next few phases. Doom, Kang, galactus.... any of those would tear the house down

 

[Web-Head]

I don't know if some any of you pay attention to those Marvel 101 series of videos on you tube that feature various characters in the Marvel mythos but as pointed out before one of those vids feature Silver Surfer. I know theres a lot of random characters on those vids but most have highlighted past and future characters in the MCU

Thats the only one I have seen from a FOX held character. Hopefully there is more to this one.

If you look at the last five videos they've released they are...

1. Nebula (She'll be in Guardians Vol. 2)

2. Vulture (Villain for Spider-Man: Homecoming

3. Baron Mordo (Doctor Strange)

4. Riri Williams

5. Life Model Decoys or LMD's (The focus on Agents of Shield right now)

Other than Riri Williams who was just recently announced in comics they all have to do with shows or movies that recently came out or are coming out soon.

It is interesting they did one on Silver Surfer but doesn't necessarily mean anything.