The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[Willie Lumpkin]

I can only imagine a James Gunn directed F4!!!

Compared to Tim Story and Josh Trank/Simon Kinberg, the idea of any moderately talented director seems too good to be true.

Heck, I'd even take Alan Taylor (from Thor, Dark World) as far better than anything Fox has given us.

 

[First Avenger]

Kinberg is synonymous with cancer to MCU fans

For most X-Men fans too.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

I don't have many issues with Kinberg the producer. It is Kinberg the writer that is a problem.

 

[Roose Bolton]

He's got a pretty solid role at Lucasfilm, between his work on TFA, Rebels and what is supposedly a Boba Fett anthology film that's in the works.

 

[TheVileOne]

That's potential cause to be concerned for the Boba Fett film when it finally materializes.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Doesn't seem like his involvement hurt TFA or Rebels.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Kinberg's the guy who sits in the meeting and occasionally asks a question about something everybody already knows so it looks like he's paying attention and contributing.

We saw what happened when they gave him some real responsibility on Fant4stic.

 

[Roose Bolton]

He co-written some of the best episodes of Star Wars Rebels, in addition to producing and working on TFA. I'm not saying the guy's the next Tarantino or anything and sure I'll throw a lot of F4 at his feet (though I do think Trank was doing a great job of ****ing it up on his own), but clearly Lucasfilm think he's doing something right for them.

 

[Darkraid]

I think the X-Men franchise is great in Fox's hands now. They should just stick with it at this point and keep making good movies like Logan.

At least they are better than what DC is doing.


Fox did something very right with Logan. To not treat it like a superhero movie. They did it like an old western movie.

 

[Docker2.0]

I think the X-Men franchise is great in Fox's hands now. They should just stick with it at this point and keep making good movies like Logan.

At least they are better than what DC is doing.


Fox did something very right with Logan. To not treat it like a superhero movie. They did it like an old western movie.

X-men are not great in the hands of Fox. Logan and Deadpool was directly from the star and director's involvement. I REALLY think they are at a crossroad when it comes to this franchise. For a franchise that has been running for 15+ years to NEVER have a billion dollar movie despite both Marvel and DC doing it multiple times says a lot. Also their "event" in DOFP with all of the big names in one movie and the X-men mega villain Apocalypse still under achieving............sorry but this franchise is not in a good place right now. I'd argue with the MCU expanding and the threat of DCCU growing, I say they are may get left behind.

 

[SAUspartan]

Fox isn't getting left behind. Please. They are in fine shape.

 

[En Sabah Nur]

The first I remember of Kang was in Avengers #8 (which I have.....he brags....t. Pretty awesome villain, but not Doom awesome.

But Kang probably beats Doom one on one in the middle of the desert no?

 

[Docker2.0]

Fox isn't getting left behind. Please. They are in fine shape.

Sure they are!

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

X-men are not great in the hands of Fox. Logan and Deadpool was directly from the star and director's involvement. I REALLY think they are at a crossroad when it comes to this franchise. For a franchise that has been running for 15+ years to NEVER have a billion dollar movie despite both Marvel and DC doing it multiple times says a lot. Also their "event" in DOFP with all of the big names in one movie and the X-men mega villain Apocalypse still under achieving............sorry but this franchise is not in a good place right now. I'd argue with the MCU expanding and the threat of DCCU growing, I say they are may get left behind.

"Crossroads" is the perfect word for it, and it could go either way. Deadpool and Logan were high-points, but Tim Miller and Hugh Jackman are gone now, so they have to start over and they have no solid foundation to build on.

Will their next film be another Deadpool, or will it be Fant4stic? There's no way to know that and anybody who claims they know has nothing to stand on.

... but since Simon Kinberg was the driving force behind Fant4stic and since Fox seems to be giving him a major role... well that tells you something.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Let's not pretend Tim Miller was the only reason Deadpool worked and let's not pretend that Simon Kinberg is writing and directing every project they have lined up. They've got Reynolds and they've got the writers, thats enough of a solid foundation in my opinion. Not to mention, Drew Goddard, Joe Carnahan and Josh Boone. That's more positives than negatives in my opinion.

 

[Docker2.0]

"Crossroads" is the perfect word for it, and it could go either way. Deadpool and Logan were high-points, but Tim Miller and Hugh Jackman are gone now, so they have to start over and they have no solid foundation to build on.

Will their next film be another Deadpool, or will it be Fant4stic? There's no way to know that and anybody who claims they know has nothing to stand on.

... but since Simon Kinberg was the driving force behind Fant4stic and since Fox seems to be giving him a major role... well that tells you something.

Another thing to look at also is that stars who just left the franchise(Jackman, Kobbel, and Lawrence)stating that they'd love to be a part of the MCU. Saying that, will people want to join the Fox-verse knowing that it will probably eliminate them from the MCU........Fox may have a hard time getting stars to sign or commit to their universe.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Let's not pretend Tim Miller was the only reason Deadpool worked and let's not pretend that Simon Kinberg is writing and directing every project they have lined up.

Where did you see me say anything like that in my post?

The simple fact is, whether you choose to believe it or not, Fox doesn't have it figured out. It's like they have a magic coin they use for their Marvel films with "Good Film" written on one side and "Bad Film" written on the other. Whenever they make a film, they flip that coin and that's what we get.

It's been that way throughout their history and nothing has changed recently. Overall, they have made more bad Marvel films than good and of their last 4 films, 2 have been bad (one absolutely terrible) and 2 have been good.

Their average RT score for their last 4 films is 58.5% - which is pathetic. Just for comparison, Marvel's worst rated film (Thor, Dark World) was at 66% - better than the average of the last 4 Fox films.

That's nothing to get excited about and there's zero rational reason to believe their future promises to be better than their past.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Where did you see me say anything like that in my post?

Well you implied that Tim Miller's absence and Kinberg's continued role were indicative of the quality of Fox's future X films, which I don't believe they are.

Looking at the X-Men films that have come in the last five years, we've had one subpar film (Apocalypse) and four that have found success (The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, Deadpool, Logan). Going by that, I have no reason to believe the next few films are doomed to failure.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Going by that, I have no reason to believe the next few films are doomed to failure.

And I don't believe they're doomed for failure either and never said they were. I do think they're likely to be mediocre since Fox has a long history of making mediocre Marvel films, and I don't see any reason for optimism or believing they will turn things around. And if they start to slide in the wrong direction (which is entirely possible) things could get grim.

You may love what has come before, and if so, great, you're likely to get more of the same.

 

[Roose Bolton]

You may love what has come before, and if so, great, you're likely to get more of the same.

Well you're definitely right there.

 

[NotNickFury]

Looking at the X-Men films that have come in the last five years, we've had one subpar film (Apocalypse) and four that have found success (The Wolverine, Days of Future Past, Deadpool, Logan). Going by that, I have no reason to believe the next few films are doomed to failure.

Not to mention what we're getting on television with Legion and what's coming down the pipeline.

But I'm sure it'd be easy for some- not you specifically- to write that off as lucky or an accident.

 

[Docker2.0]

Not to mention what we're getting on television with Legion and what's coming down the pipeline.

But I'm sure it'd be easy for some- not you specifically- to write that off as lucky or an accident.

Well not really...........they are working with Marvel studios.

And they are not even sure it's in the X-men universe.

 

[NotNickFury]

Semantics. Still at least connected to the X-Men universe just through the mention of mutants- much closer than any tie into the Marvel Studios world.

But there, see? Accident.

 

[Docker2.0]

Semantics. Still at least connected to the X-Men universe just through the mention of mutants- much closer than any tie into the Marvel Studios world.

But there, see? Accident.

How is that semantics? They are working with Marvel Studios.

 

[Zarex]

FOX is working with Marvel Entertainment, specifically the TV vision, on Legion and the upcoming TV series on the FOX network. They are not working with Marvel Studios.