The Rebooted "Keep Hope Alive" (that the rights can revert back to Marvel) Thread - Part 8

[Docker2.0]

FOX is working with Marvel Entertainment, specifically the TV vision, on Legion and the upcoming TV series on the FOX network. They are not working with Marvel Studios.

That's what I meant.

 

[TheVileOne]

He co-written some of the best episodes of Star Wars Rebels, in addition to producing and working on TFA. I'm not saying the guy's the next Tarantino or anything and sure I'll throw a lot of F4 at his feet (though I do think Trank was doing a great job of ****ing it up on his own), but clearly Lucasfilm think he's doing something right for them.

He was only a consultant on The Force Awakens. Not a producer. Not sure why he deserves credit for its quality and/or success, unless he had major input into the final product we saw onscreen.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Funny ow you spin the Trank argument to suit your point. Most people agree that even in it's absolute ****ness F4's first half which was eported to be Trank's vision wasn't all that bad. from the moment Kinberg takes over in the reshoots/gohst directing it goes sideways.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Funny ow you spin the Trank argument to suit your point. Most people agree that even in it's absolute ****ness F4's first half which was eported to be Trank's vision wasn't all that bad. from the moment Kinberg takes over in the reshoots/gohst directing it goes sideways.

It seems like some people on these forums are so used to arguing, they'll argue about absolutely anything.

If I were an X-Men fan, I would be very concerned about any involvement Kinberg might have in the property going forward. I might remain optimistic and hope for the best, but I'd never argue or believe he was someone I actually wanted in there after seeing his history.

 

[Docker2.0]

Funny ow you spin the Trank argument to suit your point. Most people agree that even in it's absolute ****ness F4's first half which was eported to be Trank's vision wasn't all that bad. from the moment Kinberg takes over in the reshoots/gohst directing it goes sideways.

Geez! That's your argument?! That movie is at 9% among critics! Single digits! Audience score is 19%! That is not a good argument at all.

 

[TheVileOne]

I don't like the first half either.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Geez! That's your argument?! That movie is at 9% among critics! Single digits! Audience score is 19%! That is not a good argument at all.

I don't like the first half either.

I agree, the movie was all around bad, but I thought Gecko's point was Kinberg was a major reason it was bad, and I agree with that.

I've always thought Kinberg was a bigger problem than Trank. Plus he hired Trank.

 

[C. Lee]

Funny ow you spin the Trank argument to suit your point. Most people agree that even in it's absolute ****ness F4's first half which was eported to be Trank's vision wasn't all that bad. from the moment Kinberg takes over in the reshoots/gohst directing it goes sideways.

I think it was all that bad. It changed the characters, the situations around how they eventually got their powers, and their interactions among each other from the original source. If you mean the first half wasn't as pathetically stupid as the second half...then yeah, it was better....but a punch to the jaw is better than a foot to the nuts, but you don't want to have to experience either one.

 

[Zarex]

I thought the pre time jump portion of FFINO was bad, but not offensively so. And if FOX named the film "Adventure Squad: Attack from Planet Zero!" I may have found it somewhat watchable if I was home recuperating from the flu and I mistakenly left the remote next to the toilet.

But post time jump FFINO goes from "Bad Sci Film featuring a Team of Charisma-Free Young Adults" to "Worst Superhero film of all time". Its just aggressively, shockingly awful.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I thought the pre time jump portion of FFINO was bad, but not offensively so. And if FOX named the film "Adventure Squad: Attack from Planet Zero!" I may have found it somewhat watchable if I was home recuperating from the flu and I mistakenly left the remote next to the toilet.

But post time jump FFINO goes from "Bad Sci Film featuring a Team of Charisma-Free Young Adults" to "Worst Superhero film of all time". Its just aggressively, shockingly awful.

Yes, and Simon Kinberg was there from the start. He saw the script, he saw the production design, but he never stopped it and he never fixed it. And he even went so far as saying the film was good and he was "proud of it" and we were wrong and we were being "unfair" for criticizing it.

Over the time Fant4stic was being made, I read every word Kinberg said in interviews, and I saw him say a lot of dumb things and few, if any, insightful or prescient things.

I would have a hard time naming anybody currently working in Hollywood who I have less respect for than Simon Kinberg - including Josh Trank. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if Josh Trank's Al Capone film is decent.

 

[Zarex]

Which proves that when FOX hires folks who are passionate about the characters and the story they are telling - ie Miller/Reynolds and Mangold/Jackman - they can put out Marvel adaptations that can stand with the best in the genre. When they don't, you get FFINO.

In terms of the studio's upcoming slate, I am more positive about the New Mutants and X-Force than the other two projects in the queue. Deadpool 2 lost a key ingredient in Miller and comedy sequels have a lousy track record. And I'm not sure if they are going to be able to pull off another all time great marketing campaign.

X-Men in Space is coming a little too quickly after the disappointing Apocalypse. And Kinberg is leading the way. Nuff said.

 

[Spiderine]

That movie sucked from start to finish. They would have been better off letting Trank make Chronicle 2. Because it felt like they just slapped a FF badge across the title.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

X-men are not great in the hands of Fox. For a franchise that has been running for 15+ years to NEVER have a billion dollar movie despite both Marvel and DC doing it multiple times says a lot.

I prefer X-MEN at FoX because multiple films can be made per year.

X-MEN at Disney would be once every 3 years if that.


As long as the x-films generate a profit to greenlight sequels and spinoffs that's all that matter's to me. We don't make any $ from Marvel or DC box office who cares

 

[Boom]

Rented this last night. Got about eighteen minutes in before my girlfriend told me to turn it off.

 

[Dark Raven]

The first half was boring. They were dull and moody characters, and Ben Grimm was so sullen and morose. I didn't like him being abused by his older brother who uttered the "It's Clobbering Time" catchphrase. Sue had no personality and was just an awkward, withdrawn teen.

There was a point after the opening section where it said "7 years later" and it felt like it was 7 years later as it was so dull and boring. Then it just got even worse as it progressed.

But hey, it's 9% so it must have some redeeming quality.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

If you want to toss blame around and point fingers at anyone for the quality of Fant4stic -- look no further to 2 writers who came up with the Ultimate Fantastic Four -- Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Millar.

They turned the founding family of the Marvel Universe into kids working under Franklin Storm. They facilitated the debacle that ended up in this movie.

Some scenes, lifted from the comics themselves, were executed perfectly, but 2 scenes - a garage scene with young Reed and Ben, and Johnny's flame on moment under observation after the accident -- are just not nearly enough to build a movie on.

What I see is an ego trip from Millar, Bendis, Trank and Kinberg that led to something of a Frankenstein's monster of a movie. Millar and Bendis trying to make the Fantastic Four "new and fresh" and Trank and Kinberg trying to put their own spin on that "freshness".

 

[Dark Raven]

If you want to toss blame around and point fingers at anyone for the quality of Fant4stic -- look no further to 2 writers who came up with the Ultimate Fantastic Four -- Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Millar.

They turned the founding family of the Marvel Universe into kids working under Franklin Storm. They facilitated the debacle that ended up in this movie.

Some scenes, lifted from the comics themselves, were executed perfectly, but 2 scenes - a garage scene with young Reed and Ben, and Johnny's flame on moment under observation after the accident -- are just not nearly enough to build a movie on.

What I see is an ego trip from Millar, Bendis, Trank and Kinberg that led to something of a Trank-Kin-stein's monster of a movie. Millar and Bendis trying to make the Fantastic Four "new and fresh" and Trank and Kinberg trying to put their own spin on that "freshness".

Fixed.

 

[Leo Zelinsky]

Brian Michael Bendis and Mark Millar.

That's ridiculous to blame them. Their comics are responsible for the majority of The MCU.


FoX just reimagined their work wrong.

Disney reimagined their work correctly multiple times.

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

But hey, it's 9% so it must have some redeeming quality.

there were no spelling mistakes in "7 years later"
.... that's the most positive thing I can say about the film, so that's probably where the 9% come from

 

[R_Hythlodeus]

That's ridiculous to blame them. Their comics are responsible for the majority of The MCU.


FoX just reimagined their work wrong.

Disney reimagined their work correctly multiple times.

True. At least on Millar's part, I can't stand US-M.
UFF, while it quickly fell apart after 10 issues or so, had a couple of great ideas in the beginning. Fant4stic focused on none of them

 

[Darkraid]

I don't like the first half either.

I only like the credits because it was the end to my suffering.

 

[Dark Raven]

I only like the credits because it was the end to my suffering.

I didn't like the end credits, because I sat through them thinking there would be an end credits scene that would finish off the last sentence that was cut off and tell us what their idea was for the name of the team they came up with.

 

[dax]

Which proves that when FOX hires folks who are passionate about the characters and the story they are telling - ie Miller/Reynolds and Mangold/Jackman - they can put out Marvel adaptations that can stand with the best in the genre. When they don't, you get FFINO.

In terms of the studio's upcoming slate, I am more positive about the New Mutants and X-Force than the other two projects in the queue. Deadpool 2 lost a key ingredient in Miller and comedy sequels have a lousy track record. And I'm not sure if they are going to be able to pull off another all time great marketing campaign.

X-Men in Space is coming a little too quickly after the disappointing Apocalypse. And Kinberg is leading the way. Nuff said.

Deadpool 2 still has Ryan Reynolds as the main character and the success of that film depends on his performance and whoever's directing him. As for X-men: Supernova, Kinberg did say that this film's version of the Phoenix saga will be different from X3: The Last Stand. You'd think that after 17 years, that fans would have a little more faith in what FOX is doing with the X-men franchise.

 

[First Avenger]

Deadpool 2 still has Ryan Reynolds as the main character and the success of that film depends on his performance and whoever's directing him. As for X-men: Supernova, Kinberg did say that this film's version of the Phoenix saga will be different from X3: The Last Stand. You'd think that after 17 years, that fans would have a little more faith in what FOX is doing with the X-men franchise.

They released X-Men Apocalypse last year.

 

[GeckoMoria]

Faith? How many X-men characters has Fox wasted over the years? i need a bed sheet to write them down.