The Spider-Man 3 FAQ Thread

[The Green Goblin]

This thread should have remained stickied for newbs to catch up and to use as an archive for info,which would cut down on repetitive question threads

You could have 3 of these stickied and you'd still get those newb questions and BS threads.

given the amount of nonsense threads on the front page...

case in point. ^

 

[Hunter Rider]

You could have 3 of these stickied and you'd still get those newb questions and BS threads.

It could cut down on them though as not every newb is blind

case in point. ^

I was referring more to the things about toys and Manwolf,those type of threads can't be prevented by anything but that doesn't mean we couldn't use this stickied to tidy up a bit

 

[Daisy]

This thread should have remained stickied for newbs to catch up and to use as an archive for info,which would cut down on repetitive question threads
given the amount of nonsense threads on the front page i don't see why this has been undone

No, it doesn't cut down on repetitive question threads. Overwhelmingly, posters are self-absorbed... they have a 'burning' question or comment and their first instinct is to hit "New Thread", not to check to see if it's already been asked/answered/discussed.

Beyond that, once a thread reaches a certain size, people won't look at it anyway because they're too lazy to search for the information. I've made this kind of thread for both of the previous films, as well as earlier versions for Spider-Man 3. It's the same every time.

The other thing is that it's not "official". "Official" implies that it is sanctioned by the Hype! Administration. The only threads that are 'official' are those that one of the administrators (or the moderators on their behalf) create to relay information. This is not that case. Further, considering how much in this thread is not 'FAQs', but conversation, it shouldn't be presented as 'representing the Hype!'.

I'm not saying having an FAQ thread isn't a good idea. It is. It just doesn't need to be stickied, and is not 'official'. We are not 'nazis' who are going to force everyone to post in the same manner. Further, as posters, it's not your place to decide whether or not a thread is a 'valid' question that can have it's own thread, or should be merged with something existing. That's what we moderators are here for.

I realize some of you are simply trying to help (believe me, moderators like to be alerted to problems), but while you have some supporters, you are alienating other posters by trying to make them 'toe the line' that you are deliniating. You need to remember to be tolerant of both other people (and they're posting-style/personality/whatever) as well as tolerant of the board not necessarily looking like you want it too all the time.

Unlike many websites today, the forums are not 'customizable'. You can't make them look just the way you want them to. Think of them like Central Park. You have to learn to be able to do your thing without getting worked up over what other people are doing that may not be something you want being done in the park. If it's things that are detrimental to everyone - like say littering (spamming), attacking others (trolling/flaming) or running naked through the park (posting porn), that's different, but if someone is playing frisbee on an area you think would be better for football, you just have to accept that because it's not your call to make.

 

[The Green Goblin]

not every newb is blind

Good, then they shouldn't miss the front page.

I was referring more to the things about toys and Manwolf,those type of threads can't be prevented by anything but that doesn't mean we couldn't use this stickied to tidy up a bit

There is a "history" here in The Spidey Boards where the threads rise and sink on their on merit. The people decide. If a thread is worthy the posters will keep it up. Plus the owner has made it clear he does not like them ... officially.

Right now, we are in a news lull. After comicon there should be some things to talk about and that will help keep the crap down.



Toys and "Manwolf" like stuff should just be sent to nonspoilers.

We used to have a moving truck.

 

[POWdER-man]

Why? Stale old news, as opposed to the topics that are the most interesting. Natural selection. *takes hat off to Mirko and Daisy*

1. This "stale" old news includes up to the minute updates of information on Shh which some I have provided. Now including this recent information I found on using facial digital animation on the movie.

http://graphics.stanford.edu/sig-co...tachFile&do=get&target=monsterhouse-notes.pdf

Motion capture has also been used to drive faces for the digital characters in Spider-Man 3.....

On Spider-Man 3, the facial motion captured data was acquired seperately for a sit down position and the facial animation generated was blended in key framed body shots.

2. Most of the information is on SHH, but it is also kept in over a year's worth of announcements without a search function. And most people don't have the patience or the time to search through all the announcements, so they create a new thread about it. But this Thread provides all the information in a nice and neat package so they wouldn't have to, and in turn reducing the useless repetitive threads that contain no spoilers and/or news.

3. The Brokeback Mountain reference was obviously not subtle and wasn't lost on me. However, making sexual innuendos towards myself and cmill is tasteless and unneccessary. Of course there is NOTHING stopping you, so please continue making "gay" jokes.

 

[Daisy]

If your news is up-to-the-minute, Powderman, there should be no need for a sticky, as your regular posting of news should keep this thread near the top or at least on the first page.

 

[POWdER-man]

http://www.allaroundcleveland.com/s...6636663&BRD=1699&PAG=461&dept_id=566374&rfi=8

A recap of Cleveland week that I haven't seen posted yet.



Actually I have never said once that it should remain a sticky Daisy. I said I was dissapointed but I was in compliance with the decision.

 

[Hunter Rider]

No, it doesn't cut down on repetitive question threads. Overwhelmingly, posters are self-absorbed... they have a 'burning' question or comment and their first instinct is to hit "New Thread", not to check to see if it's already been asked/answered/discussed.

Beyond that, once a thread reaches a certain size, people won't look at it anyway because they're too lazy to search for the information. I've made this kind of thread for both of the previous films, as well as earlier versions for Spider-Man 3. It's the same every time.

The other thing is that it's not "official". "Official" implies that it is sanctioned by the Hype! Administration. The only threads that are 'official' are those that one of the administrators (or the moderators on their behalf) create to relay information. This is not that case. Further, considering how much in this thread is not 'FAQs', but conversation, it shouldn't be presented as 'representing the Hype!'.

I'm not saying having an FAQ thread isn't a good idea. It is. It just doesn't need to be stickied, and is not 'official'. We are not 'nazis' who are going to force everyone to post in the same manner. Further, as posters, it's not your place to decide whether or not a thread is a 'valid' question that can have it's own thread, or should be merged with something existing. That's what we moderators are here for.

I realize some of you are simply trying to help (believe me, moderators like to be alerted to problems), but while you have some supporters, you are alienating other posters by trying to make them 'toe the line' that you are deliniating. You need to remember to be tolerant of both other people (and they're posting-style/personality/whatever) as well as tolerant of the board not necessarily looking like you want it too all the time.

Unlike many websites today, the forums are not 'customizable'. You can't make them look just the way you want them to. Think of them like Central Park. You have to learn to be able to do your thing without getting worked up over what other people are doing that may not be something you want being done in the park. If it's things that are detrimental to everyone - like say littering (spamming), attacking others (trolling/flaming) or running naked through the park (posting porn), that's different, but if someone is playing frisbee on an area you think would be better for football, you just have to accept that because it's not your call to make.

Well Daisy i can't really debate any of this as,as you say we posters don't make the calls,while i agree on some points i just feel question threads are spam as one post in they become nothing once the Q was answered but ok
one thing however i don't see it as trying to dictate how ppl post but you mention alienating others and yet i see in countless threads the mocking of those who like the direction of this movie and nothing is ever said about that which drives posters away from this section

 

[Hunter Rider]

Good, then they shouldn't miss the front page.

Some Have the page linked straight to the board though

There is a "history" here in The Spidey Boards where the threads rise and sink on their on merit. The people decide. If a thread is worthy the posters will keep it up. Plus the owner has made it clear he does not like them ... officially.

Right now, we are in a news lull. After comicon there should be some things to talk about and that will help keep the crap down.

I think that "history" is something driving a wedge here,it seems oldbies feel newbies(me and Powderman i guess) don't fit the mould

I agree that after comic con(when is it ?) there should be some topics with meat to them that will hopefully create interesting discussion

Toys and "Manwolf" like stuff should just be sent to nonspoilers.

We used to have a moving truck.

LOL i'm surprised they don't have a products section

 

[Daisy]

Well Daisy i can't really debate any of this as,as you say we posters don't make the calls,while i agree on some points i just feel question threads are spam as one post in they become nothing once the Q was answered but ok
one thing however i don't see it as trying to dictate how ppl post but you mention alienating others and yet i see in countless threads the mocking of those who like the direction of this movie and nothing is ever said about that which drives posters away from this section

Becoming spam after the question is posted is not due to the question, but the behavior of the posters, which I addressed (Central Park metaphor). Think of how many times people who seem to know their way around get asked questions repeately by tourists. You just have to deal with it. If you do it nicely, NY (Spider-Man forums) gets a good reputation. If you're nasty about it NY (Spider-Man forums) gets a bad rep.

You may not see it as dictating how people post, but a number of the people you're 'directing' do.

As for people who like the direction of the movie being mocked. It goes both ways. There's no determining who started it. People who like it are as bad as the people who don't. Both sides complain that the 'other side' is 'out-of-hand'. The truth is that neither is. You just need to learn to live with one-another.

That said, if someone seems to be stalking another person and deriding them at every opportunity (and by that I mean deriding THEM, not their opinion), alert a mod - alert me. That sort of harrassment isn't to be tolerated.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Becoming spam after the question is posted is not due to the question, but the behavior of the posters, which I addressed (Central Park metaphor). Think of how many times people who seem to know their way around get asked questions repeately by tourists. You just have to deal with it. If you do it nicely, NY (Spider-Man forums) gets a good reputation. If you're nasty about it NY (Spider-Man forums) gets a bad rep.

I was meaning that there is nowhere for the thread to go if the question is answered within the first couple of posts as the point of the thread is now over

You may not see it as dictating how people post, but a number of the people you're 'directing' do.

So by saying we should keep the board tidy they feel dictated to ?

As for people who like the direction of the movie being mocked. It goes both ways. There's no determining who started it. People who like it are as bad as the people who don't. Both sides complain that the 'other side' is 'out-of-hand'. The truth is that neither is. You just need to learn to live with one-another.

That said, if someone seems to be stalking another person and deriding them at every opportunity (and by that I mean deriding THEM, not their opinion), alert a mod - alert me. That sort of harrassment isn't to be tolerated.

I don't think it's even at all,there is a select group of hardcore oldbie Spidey fans that run the show here and basically are fairly derisery of those liking what they are hearing

 

[POWdER-man]

As for people who like the direction of the movie being mocked. It goes both ways. There's no determining who started it. People who like it are as bad as the people who don't. Both sides complain that the 'other side' is 'out-of-hand'. The truth is that neither is. You just need to learn to live with one-another.

I agree with you Daisy to a point. However can you honestly say that the ones who are more....supportive with the movie, are not more civil about the differences towards their counter part. By no means all but I find they are at least tolerable against others.

A lot of times I witness name calling and belittling by these individuals towards those who are more "optimistic" of the movie. Up to the point where a lot of SHH members that I know, avoid this part of SHH like the plague.

That said, if someone seems to be stalking another person and deriding them at every opportunity (and by that I mean deriding THEM, not their opinion), alert a mod - alert me. That sort of harrassment isn't to be tolerated.

You mean like mocking them and their thoughts in each thread they post in here?

 

[The Green Goblin]

Some Have the page linked straight to the board though

First you say n00bs aren't blind and then you say they need their hand held. Anyway, the thread is still there, just not stickied, so whats the big deal?

I think that "history" is something driving a wedge here,it seems oldbies feel newbies(me and Powderman i guess) don't fit the mould

No, thats not the case at all. Its when one starts dictating and demanding how things should be run, newbie or oldbie.

Now lets all hold hands and sing.

*P-Bomb behind back*

 

[POWdER-man]

This is what he said "Sorry and photos

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I made a little misstake the filming has began on friday may 19th to sunday may 21. And sort of good news i got only two photo of the set. They didnt let me take any photos. I dont know why. But ya thanks guys it was fun and funny and i meeted topher and tobey. COOL. I'll give you a little scoop on what happend in the filming of the first part of so called "scene 8". Tobey and Topher were talking about some stuff i couldent hear. Then i walk and bump into tobey then he says "what was that for" then topher says "PICK ON HIM THEN PICK ON ME YOU JERK!". That was a good day. And Sam brang country style. Heres the set photo 2 hours before shooting. Please read everything on site.www.freewebs.com/mysm3role"

Man, that has to be the worse grammar and spelling I have seen for awhile.

So anyways, does he say he's from NY?

 

[Hunter Rider]

First you say n00bs aren't blind and then you say they need their hand held. Anyway, the thread is still there, just not stickied, so whats the big deal?

I never said that, i said not all Newbies were blind and if someone has their settings set to take them straight to the board they miss the front page so something stickied would catch their eye when entering this section but it's no big deal just voicing my view as others have in the reverse

No, thats not the case at all. Its when one starts dictating and demanding how things should be run, newbie or oldbie.

Now lets all hold hands and sing.

*P-Bomb behind back*

I didn't see any dictating or demanding just a suggestion that has been overturned,some liked the idea some didn't and those that didn't got the result they wanted,no harm no foul

I can't dance

 

[POWdER-man]

No, thats not the case at all. Its when one starts dictating and demanding how things should be run, newbie or oldbie.

Now lets all hold hands and sing.

*P-Bomb behind back*

Wow those are strong words, I have not dictated or demanded the way this forum should be run at any time. I have made suggestions on improving the forums look and performance. Did I create a whole new thread on the subject? Did I say you MUST follow what I am saying?

The last few topics in the FAQ are simply common threads that were created which I thought most people would prefer not to see again and again.

ie. "The fake manips of Tobey in black suit from Spider-Man 2"
"The Seeing Something Inside the lens thread."
or the ever popular...
"I saw on IMBd that John Jameson is Manwolf or Curt Connors as Lizard"

If it's crossing the line from being suggestive to dictating and demanding than I will retract those statements. It's not a big deal to me as it seems to others.

As for my opinion on the organization of the common...

"Who do you think Franco will play..., Should Franco be... Will Franco..." and just simply merge all those speculation threads under one nice clean thread "the James Franco thread". Well really, if any of us wanted to read about Franco(or anyone else) speculation why couldn't we go to a specific thread?

As for NEW news and/or spoilers they would OF COURSE warrant it's own thread. But do we really need several threads on the same person or subject if it's based on "old" information or simply speculation?

If the answer is yes, than disregard what I said, let's have several threads in the Spoiler forum discussing nearly the same subject on the same character or issue. If that's what you prefer than I am fine with that.

I only make suggestions, take it with a grain of salt.

 

[POWdER-man]

I never said that, i said not all Newbies were blind and if someone has their settings set to take them straight to the board they miss the front page so something stickied would catch their eye when entering this section but it's no big deal just voicing my view as others have in the reverse

I actually have to physically exit out of the forum to see if I missed anything because I go straight to the forum.

I didn't see any dictating or demanding just a suggestion that has been overturned,some liked the idea some didn't and those that didn't got the result they wanted,no harm no foul

I can't dance

Exactly, I am not sour about it, that's the way the world turns. It's a decision, simple as that. I am not dictating the way the forum should be run, if the current set up is preffered, than that's the way it is.

 

[The Infernal]

If your news is up-to-the-minute, Powderman, there should be no need for a sticky, as your regular posting of news should keep this thread near the top or at least on the first page.

Unless he just updates his original post in the thread to 'keep it all in one place'. He would have to keep posting replies on the thread to simply state 'check page 1 again'.

 

[POWdER-man]

I will probably do what I have been doing lately. Add the information to the first post and than post a new reply stating what information was added.

 

[The Green Goblin]

I never said that, i said not all Newbies were blind and if someone has their settings set to take them straight to the board they miss the front page so something stickied would catch their eye when entering this section but it's no big deal just voicing my view as others have in the reverse

I didn't see any dictating or demanding just a suggestion that has been overturned,some liked the idea some didn't and those that didn't got the result they wanted,no harm no foul

I can't dance

Posts like "This should be stickied", after a Mod with, the Owner's backing, unstuck (<--- ) it can be perceived as "demanding". "Suggesting" rigid Offical OFFICAL threads followed by taunts of "you should have posted this in the OFFICIAL thread you st00pid n00b" can be perceived as "dictating".

I'm not pointing a finger at anyone, only making a general observation of a perception, that there's an effort by some to take it upon themselves to "organize" the boards.

As for the dancing, no worries, you'll fit right in.

Neither can Slag.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Posts like "This should be stickied", after a Mod with, the Owner's backing, unstuck (<--- ) it can be perceived as "demanding". "Suggesting" rigid Offical OFFICAL threads followed by taunts of "you should have posted this in the OFFICIAL thread you st00pid n00b" can be perceived as "dictating".

I'm not pointing a finger at anyone, only making a general observation of a perception, that there's an effort by some to take it upon themselves to "organize" the boards.

As for the dancing, no worries, you'll fit right in.

Neither can Slag.

Perception is not always reality,as in life so it is on the hype

,im not aware of anyone making the posts you mentioned but if they did then that would be moving from suggestion or idea into dictation but i haven't seen Powderman whose idea this was post in that manner


I can't believe Slaggy has no rythm.it can't be

 

[The Infernal]

I will probably do what I have been doing lately. Add the information to the first post and than post a new reply stating what information was added.

Which is fair enough. I had just thought that it would be better stickied so people would just check it now and again and not turn this into a discussion thread. I just thought it would be more easy if the discussion could be kept in more appropriate threads and not have a free for all here in regards to topic.

 

[LarryLegend]

First you say n00bs aren't blind and then you say they need their hand held. Anyway, the thread is still there, just not stickied, so whats the big deal?




No, thats not the case at all. Its when one starts dictating and demanding how things should be run, newbie or oldbie.

Now lets all hold hands and sing.

*P-Bomb behind back*

*Stand up and claps*

I agree the thread is still here and accessable. What's the big deal? The fact that it doesn't say official? The fact that things aren't exactly the way you want them?

 

[Daisy]

I agree with you Daisy to a point. However can you honestly say that the ones who are more....supportive with the movie, are not more civil about the differences towards their counter part. By no means all but I find they are at least tolerable against others.

A lot of times I witness name calling and belittling by these individuals towards those who are more "optimistic" of the movie. Up to the point where a lot of SHH members that I know, avoid this part of SHH like the plague.



You mean like mocking them and their thoughts in each thread they post in here?

Yes, I can honestly say that neither group is 'better' than the other. I've seen people who supported the movie stalked and ridiculed and I've seen people who were skeptical stalked and ridiculed. I suggest that you simply notice the name-calling to the more 'optimistic' folk because you are in that group.

You say you know people who avoid this section because people belittle them for their optimism. I know people who avoid this forum because they feel they can't say anything critical without being ganged up on as a 'hater' or whatever.

As I said, it goes both ways.

Yes, I mean exactly that... and if someone is doing that to you... REPORT THEM TO ME. I will take care of it.

I don't look at things after-the-fact and decide, "Person X was too hard on Person Z. Person Z needs to be reprimanded." If I didn't hear from Person X or someone else that there was a problem, I leave it alone. I also am paying attention to many posters, so I don't necessarily pay attention to who talks to whom. Beyond that, some people have their 'Hype! nemeses" and enjoy debating with one-another with joking insults and all... and I don't know all those little relationships, so once again, unless someone lets me know, I don't reprimand anyone.

Contrary to what some posters seem to think... moderators are not out looking for 'infractions'. When we don't hear complaints, we assume all is well and we can relax and enjoy the Hype!.

 

[Daisy]

I was meaning that there is nowhere for the thread to go if the question is answered within the first couple of posts as the point of the thread is now over



So by saying we should keep the board tidy they feel dictated to ?



I don't think it's even at all,there is a select group of hardcore oldbie Spidey fans that run the show here and basically are fairly derisery of those liking what they are hearing

If the thread is over, quit posting in it. It will fall away.



What you don't seem to understand is that YOU are the one defining 'tidy'. Their idea of 'tidy' may be different... or perhaps they don't want a 'tidy' board, but a 'comfortably cluttered' board.



You may not think it's even, but you don't see the big picture. Trust me, both groups equally feel that they are being 'picked on' for their opinion. I know there are a few people who are particularly bad, however, they fall along both 'sides' of the issue. As I said before, if there is a problem, PM me. I may not get to it immediately (I'm not on 24/7), but I will look at it next time I'm on.