BvS The Superman suit Thread - Part 1

[Llama_Shepherd]

the fact that we has raised in Kansas but Kansas is big, it was in Smallville, it would put the government to investigate sure,

The aliens want Kal-El.
The aliens go to Smallville.
Kal-El says he lives in Kansas.

It wouldn't be hard to figure out where he hangs up his cape. Smallville isn't a big place, the clue is in the name.

but pretty much the ones that know in Smallville won't tell anything

The government would have ways of making people talk. Especially when it comes to Homeland Security.

and by knowing that Superman won't let them to investigate (you know the drone think didn't work for them) that should make them to stay out of it.

How could Superman stop people from just walking into Smallville? He'd effectively be setting up his own rogue micro-nation.

That could set ARGUS and Waller and I see her capable of knowing that but she will make it really really on secrecy just as the other members of the League identities.

That's the ticket. The Wall knows all, but if there was ever a situation that was unwinnable for her based on information only she possessed, she'd probably kill herself.

 

[Soundwave88]

Don't mess too much with perfection.

I wouldn't change ANYTHING this is Superman of new era!

If they add the red trunks it will ruin what makes the costume different from the rest! All.... 2 of em? (Reeves and Routh)

 

[The Guard]

The only way you can assume the military should be able to figure out who Superman is...is if you ASSUME.

You have to assume the government could even TRACK the Kryptonian ships in all instances. If they could, then why weren't they headed to the Kent farm? Why was the military never establishing a presence there?

The whole "Lois screaming Clark" thing means nothing except that Lois screamed "Clark!" She could just have been concerned for her friend Clark, seeing as how she was at his place. And that's assuming the cop actually heard or cared. Doesn't seem like he did, per what the film shows us.

Superman told the officer that he was 33 and grew up in Kansas. You have a woeful knowledge of how finding people works if you think that just this is enough information to go on.

As for tracking Clark's pod...you'd have to be able to prove they did, and happened, to do so. Since we don't see that happening...you cannot assume that it did.

The film shows us, fairly clearly, that they do not appear to know his identity. This debate is endlessly silly.

 

[John-An]

Seriously???

There is something called satellites which can take images, and there is also something called radar.

You bet your ass the government knows the exact path taken by the aliens, where they landed, where they went etc.

I mean this is really a debate that the government did not know (or cannot find out) the exact farm which the alien ship head towards and landed at? Seriously?

the radar tracks for something in movement!!! or don't you know how the radars work? Besides they know that they send battle aircrafts to smallville or to the Kent Farm if they know that they were there???
Satelitles images will be helpful but with an specific location, and how do you know if the aliens didn't want to know where they landed and make smth to not be object of trasing? only they saw they were 2 bogeys that came out of the BZ and then that they were headed to Kansas. and for the second time Kansas was a big place and the goverment didn't know where they the priority and cause if you didn't notice was the alien invasors. And if they know where they landed, why was the drone following Superman if they pretty much know and connect facts?

 

[Rorschach2012]

It's not a big deal, but I'd like Superman's hair to be cut shorter on the sides of head.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The only way you can assume the military should be able to figure out who Superman is...is if you ASSUME.

You have to assume the government could even TRACK the Kryptonian ships in all instances. If they could, then why weren't they headed to the Kent farm? Why was the military never establishing a presence there?

In fairness, we have no idea they couldn't. By the time the military got to Smallville the Kryptonian ships had followed Superman and Zod to the middle of town.

The whole "Lois screaming Clark" thing means nothing except that Lois screamed "Clark!" She could just have been concerned for her friend Clark, seeing as how she was at his place. And that's assuming the cop actually heard or cared. Doesn't seem like he did, per what the film shows us.

Did we see his reaction? It just seems like something that wasn't thought about.

Superman told the officer that he was 33 and grew up in Kansas. You have a woeful knowledge of how finding people works if you think that just this is enough information to go on.

Certainly narrows it down. How many people in Kansas are 33 years old? Then connected to Smallville? Couple hundred? Thousands? Then how many happen to look like Superman?

As for tracking Clark's pod...you'd have to be able to prove they did, and happened, to do so. Since we don't see that happening...you cannot assume that it did.

If you mean when he landed, then yeah, nobody must've seen it.

The film shows us, fairly clearly, that they do not appear to know his identity. This debate is endlessly silly.

Yet. Jim Gordon didn't know Bruce was Batman in TDK until he did.

 

[John-An]

The aliens want Kal-El.
The aliens go to Smallville.
Kal-El says he lives in Kansas.

The aliens take Kal-el to the ship, the government didn't know that Superman escaped. The goverment know that the aliens were up to smth.
You sure they know that they were to Smallville? or that the battle was in Smallville?

It wouldn't be hard to figure out where he hangs up his cape. Smallville isn't a big place, the clue is in the name.

Of course it wouldn't be hard. But we know what happened to the last attempt for the goverment. I don't think they want to that again for themselves.

The government would have ways of making people talk. Especially when it comes to Homeland Security.

Legal? I don't think so. And especially with people on towns, they're very loyal, especially to the guy who saved lives as a teenager and that save the world.

How could Superman stop people from just walking into Smallville? He'd effectively be setting up his own rogue micro-nation.

I wasn't refering to people on Smallville directly. I refered to the government investigating. they could and they can find out. Maybe ARGUS is gonna find out but the question is... They need to be pretty cautious and almost perfect to not letting Superman know that. But the thing is that in MOS they don't know Superman identity. That's what we saw at the end. Can be discovered and keep it in top secret though.

 

[regwec]

Not Robin knew from the wrinkle of Bruce's nostril.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

You sure they know that they were to Smallville? or that the battle was in Smallville?

Yes. They were there too.

Of course it wouldn't be hard. But we know what happened to the last attempt for the goverment. I don't think they want to that again for themselves.

Superman can't crash a human. He couldn't stop, Steve Trevor just walking into Smallville and investigating.

Legal? I don't think so. And especially with people on towns, they're very loyal, especially to the guy who saved lives as a teenager and that save the world.

Legality is for the courts to decide. Also the people of Smallville didn't seem to loyal when they were spilling everything they knew to Lois.

I wasn't refering to people on Smallville. I refered to the government investigating. they could and they can find out. Maybe ARGUS is gonna find out but the question is... They need to be pretty cautious and almost perfect to not letting Superman know that. But the thing is that in MOS they don't know Superman identity. That's what we saw at the end. Can be discovered and keep it in top secret though.

What could Superman do if they were investigating. If, for example, Whitney Fordham decided to tell, then there's nothing Superman could do about it, he's not violent like Batman.

 

[The Guard]

In fairness, we have no idea they couldn't. By the time the military got to Smallville the Kryptonian ships had followed Superman and Zod to the middle of town.

Which is fair...but all I'm saying is you cannot assume they did or didn't based on what we're shown and told.

Did we see his reaction? It just seems like something that wasn't thought about.

No, we didn't. And same deal.

Certainly narrows it down. How many people in Kansas are 33 years old? Then connected to Smallville? Couple hundred? Thousands? Then how many happen to look like Superman?

It doesn't narrow it down that much. And it assumes that they even BELIEVE Superman when he tells them this.

That they don't think Superman is a shape-changer, etc...

As far as Clark Kent and Superman looking the same, again, that's just something the mythology has always been weird about.

Yet. Jim Gordon didn't know Bruce was Batman in TDK until he did.

That's because Batman TOLD him via referencing a key moment in their time together.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Why would they believe the man saying "trust me, please, I'm trusting you" is lying? Surely that would just make them right not trusting him?

As for Gordon, Bruce may have referenced a moment they shared, but Gordon still didn't know beforehand. If you'd rather a different one, how about Kyle Reese? Or Harry Osborn?

 

[The Guard]

For the same reason they don't trust him enough to not follow him with satellite drones.

It's their job to be on their guard.

I'm not even sure why you're bringing up that Gordon knew...of course they could show others finding out about/knowing about Clark in the future. But they haven't yet.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

In that case, I must have misread a post at some point. I thought you were saying they wouldn't be able to find out.

 

[Super Kal]

what i would like to see for the sequel...

 

[John-An]

Yes. They were there too.

They were for Smallville yeah but not to the Kent Farm cause they did not know the exact point of that. They were looking in Smallville and they went to attack the three targets from Krypton.
But althought Smallville is a little town. The Kent farm is not in the center of Smallville.

Superman can't crash a human. He couldn't stop, Steve Trevor just walking into Smallville and investigating.

Correct. He can't do that but if he's reserching him he could have an argument with him. They need to be really careful for that. And Trevor has Wondy as a new object of his attention.

Legality is for the courts to decide. Also the people of Smallville didn't seem to loyal when they were spilling everything they knew to Lois.

Who betray Superman? Lois only ask for Pete and the other one was Pete. Pete didn't told nothing about his powers, he told her where he lives his mom, Lois talk to Martha for that, cause she didn't obtain anything from Pete. And neither with the new events and knowing Superman saved them and he's for help people, you won't get too much from them.

What could Superman do if they were investigating. If, for example, Whitney Fordham decided to tell, then there's nothing Superman could do about it, he's not violent like Batman.

Agreed. But you're assuming that. Fordham boy was one of the guys that Clark saved on the bus. So.. I can assume that he would protect his secret

 

[TheKnight]

what i would like to see for the sequel...

dammmn, that looks beautiful ;(

 

[lc23]

what i would like to see for the sequel...

Me, too. Glad there's still a few people around who aren't acting like the upcoming movie's a Batman solo, but remember that the Superman is supposed to be in it, too (along with WW).

 

[Super Kal]

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

They were for Smallville yeah but not to the Kent Farm cause they did not know the exact point of that. They were looking in Smallville and they went to attack the three targets from Krypton.
But althought Smallville is a little town. The Kent farm is not in the center of Smallville.

It's not the centre of Smallville, but it's next to it. Smallville isn't big. The clue is in the name Small-ville.

Correct. He can't do that but if he's reserching him he could have an argument with him. They need to be really careful for that. And Trevor has Wondy as a new object of his attention.

Who is "they"? There's nothing Clark could do about it.

Who betray Superman? Lois only ask for Pete and the other one was Pete. Pete didn't told nothing about his powers, he told her where he lives his mom, Lois talk to Martha for that, cause she didn't obtain anything from Pete.

Well that makes it even easier then. They can find out from the stories Lois followed, and draw the same conclusion. Then send in a "military friend" of Clark's from when he was away.

And neither with the new events and knowing Superman saved them and he's for help people, you won't get too much from them.

Says who?

Agreed. But you're assuming that. Fordham boy was one of the guys that Clark saved on the bus. So.. I can assume that he would protect his secret

Whitney Fordham also bullied him after that scene. So your assumption doesn't seem to be on too strong a basis.

 

[John-An]

made by William Acero. Really nice job on the colors.

 

[John-An]

I prefer the first one in this case.

 

[Super Kal]

the first one is terrible... the grey filter has destroyed any hope of color

 

[John-An]

It's not the centre of Smallville, but it's next to it. Smallville isn't big. The clue is in the name Small-ville.
It's a small town and I already said that. but this isn't the only farm on the surroundings.

Who is "they"? There's nothing Clark could do about it.

"They" are the government. And also like I've said the government needs to be really careful if they want. And with the things that happened at the end, the government may consider if they research that aspect or focus on other real matters that may come in the following period of time. Or having that job assigned to A.R.G.U.S

Well that makes it even easier then. They can find out from the stories Lois followed, and draw the same conclusion. Then send in a "military friend" of Clark's from when he was away.

The difference is that the military didn't see the scout ship where Lois saw Clark heroics with her. Also do you think by now Lois wouldn't dissapear the tracks?

Says who?

Is not like I'm saying this. It's almost all the town people that is pretty loyal with his own people and even more with the guy who saved the world.

Whitney Fordham also bullied him after that scene. So your assumption doesn't seem to be on too strong a basis.

Notice one set pic with Witney and he's not the guy who bullied Clark. He was cut from the movie. So...

 

[John-An]

Or so one would hope. I don't doubt that those in the know have every intention to protect Martha and Clark, but I've heard that the government can be very persuasive.

Yes it is but again we don't know if they are gonna be insistent on that aspect and risking that Superman know and they had problems with him or leaving that for another secret organization. The thing is that they need to do things to not attract other people or Superman's attention.

Well it's not like they'd make it public knowledge that they're investigating him.

Again they could know but the thing is do that information matter if they maybe have an insider (Swanwick) with Superman or if the same Superman knows that they are investigating on him, thanks to his new job of reporter?

I could see that too.

Waller or Trevor sent by Waller doing that I could see that possible. And it will be awesome to see ARGUS involved in this universe.

 

[Boy Scout]

Yes it is but again we don't know if they are gonna be insistent on that aspect and risking that Superman know and they had problems with him or leaving that for another secret organization. The thing is that they need to do things to not attract other people or Superman's attention.

I don't disagree with you. I don't think they know right now and I don't know if finding out will be a priority for them.

Again they could know but the thing is do that information matter if they maybe have an insider (Swanwick) with Superman or if the same Superman knows that they are investigating on him, thanks to his new job of reporter?

Knowledge is power. Knowing his identity would absolutely matter, under any and all circumstances.

Waller or Trevor sent by Waller doing that I could see that possible. And it will be awesome to see ARGUS involved in this universe.

Agreed. I like them so far on Arrow. I'd be interested in seeing how they'd be interpreted under Snyder.