The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread IX

[Stelze]

Get rid of the ridiculously large shoulder padding on the Cap suit and I would be fine with it. Oh and those stupid gothic boots.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

real life batman? thats what we gotten...the more i think of it it could only look like this..http://www.photos-room.com/1221/filter/random/big+daddy/1/ or the suit we have...how would you walking around in the streets without looking like someone going to a convention or a halloween party?...http://mediacriminaljustice.blogspot.com/2011/01/real-life-superhero.html

 

[JAK®]

The majority of the images of Cap's new costume look perfectly fine. There are only one or two that I have issues with. Obviously, it will look better on film. It always does.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

Ah, OK thanks.

It seemed to me that Bruce intentionally sacrificed some protection for agility in TDK. We were taken through that thought process.

I don't get the impression that Nolan feels the need to make alterations simply for a new film's sake, either.

depending on the story...he lost protection for speed now he seems to need more strenght. if we get a new suit then we wont know till the very end.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

The majority of the images of Cap's new costume look perfectly fine. There are only one or two that I have issues with. Obviously, it will look better on film. It always does.

quote for truth

 

[Broker]

depending on the story...he lost protection for speed now he seems to need more strenght. if we get a new suit then we wont know till the very end.

I suspect that Bane will not - ultimately- be beaten by brute strength. In fact, I think he will be someone Batman cannot overcome in that way.

Just my opinion.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'm not sure how a new suit would really have much relevance. It seemed to me that he intentionally sacrificed protection for agility in TDK. We were taken through that thought process.

I don't get the impression that Nolan feels the need to make alterations simply for a new film's sake.

Precisely. The TDK suit is a plate suit. We don't know how it hold up in a brutal fight with Bane or any other powerful physical threat, consider the larger openings/gaps inbetween the plates. This could leave the suit with a major disadvantage.

 

[Broker]

Precisely. The TDK suit is a plate suit. We don't know how it hold up in a brutal fight with Bane or any other powerful physical threat, consider the larger openings/gaps inbetween the plates. This could leave the suit with a major disadvantage.

I can see this argument. But I suspect that the suit will not be a factor in defeating Bane.

 

[The_Raganork]

Precisely. The TDK suit is a plate suit. We don't know how it hold up in a brutal fight with Bane or any other powerful physical threat, consider the larger openings/gaps inbetween the plates. This could leave the suit with a major disadvantage.

also to think Batman has all this time to design new suits for each situation is not very practical.

Remember in TDK Lucius had a new suit already waiting, it just took some modifications.

Batman probably won't be anticipating Bane coming to town and being a powerful bulldozer

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I can see this argument. But I suspect that the suit will not be a factor in defeating Bane.

It may or may not, but if the TDK suit is heavily damaged at one point in this film then Batman is going to have to re-think his design.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

also to think Batman has all this time to design new suits for each situation is not very practical.

Remember in TDK Lucius had a new suit already waiting, it just took some modifications.

Batman probably won't be anticipating Bane coming to town and being a powerful bulldozer

Exactly.

But who isn't to say there aren't other suits in production?

 

[The_Raganork]

Exactly.

But who isn't to say there aren't other suits in production?

Yeah...That would be too convenient for my taste.

One to start, one for mobility, one for Bane.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Yeah...That would be too convenient for my taste.

One to start, one for mobility, one for Bane.

You mustn't be afraid to think alittle bigger, darling.

Think like Nolan. How would he introduce a new or modified suit?

Perhaps Wayne Enterprises has been producing various prototypes since Batman Begins. Like you said, Lucius already had a Batsuit ready for Bruce, only a few modifications were made.

Let's also consider that maybe Bruce's new suit could just be a cross-hybrid between the Batman Begins suit and The Dark Knight suit (after being damaged in battle). Taking both their greatest strengths and discarding their weaknesses -- molding a new and improved Batman.

 

[Dark Knight]

Let's also consider that maybe Bruce's new suit could just be a cross-hybrid between the Batman Begins suit and The Dark Knight suit (after being damaged in battle). Taking both their greatest strengths and discarding their weaknesses -- molding a new and improved Batman.

This is what I am hoping to see in the next film.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

I suspect that Bane will not - ultimately- be beaten by brute strength. In fact, I think he will be someone Batman cannot overcome in that way.

Just my opinion.

i wanted to say that more strenght is needed for defense...tdk suit didnt beat the joker ...but was needfull...

 

[JAK®]

Batman should've just had a new suit from the beginning with no explanation. It can be easily inferred that he simply improved the suit over time.

 

[HUMANIMAL]

the scene (teaser trailer) where we saw bruce doing some pushups is an indication for preperation...towards the end of the final battle he will have a new strategy to confront bane...i think a new suit is guaranteed

 

[DKDetective]

the scene (teaser trailer) where we saw bruce doing some pushups is an indication for preperation...towards the end of the final battle he will have a new strategy to confront bane...i think a new suit is guaranteed

I completely disagree with you. If you are right and the pushup scene is all about Batman getting ready to come back and reclaim his city, then a brand new suit for his return/the climax completely undermines that storyline and its themes. It'll be about Bruce's return to the costume, a new suit undermines the symbolism of him putting the suit BACK on because he's not putting it BACK on if it's new. Moreover, introducing a new Bane-busting Batsuit for the climax undermines Bruce's struggle to overcome the mental and physical obstacles preventing him from being Batman. Why train so hard and doubt yourself if all you need to come back and kick the bad guy's ass is some new armor??? A new suit makes all of this less powerful.

I highly doubt Nolan will introduce a new suit for such story reasons. He obviously really likes the TDK suit and having Bruce get a new suit to solve some problem with the last one is way too repetitive of the last film.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no the biggest fan of the TDK suit and I was really hoping to see an improved version of the Batsuit this time around. So I understand your boundless optimism and I sympathize, but it's not going to happen.

I think the best we can hope for is maybe some minor tweaks to to TDK suit. Maybe Bruce makes some minor adjustments in order to accomodate some new gadgets he needs for the final battle but I think that will be it.

My one hopeful change that I think might be backed up by the themes i mentioned is a redesign of the chestpiece to make the symbol more prominent. Maybe as Bruce contemplates getting back in the suit and whether facing Bane again might mean his death, Alfred interrupts with some witty jab about how the symbol is too small and Bruce should be more proud of what Batman represents.

Eg. Bruce standing in front of suit, looking contemplative, grim. Alfred walks up behind him, stand next to him and jabs at the chestpiece with his finger.

A: "I never understood why Lucius made this so small. I thought you said in your grand plan that Batman was supposed to be a symbol. How are people going to be inspired if they can't tell whether or not you're Batman." (dripping with sarcasm)

Bruce smirks, still silent. (in that iconic way that Bale does when Caine gives his cheeky delivery of one of Alfred's jokes.)

Please forgive the ****** fan-written dialogue, it's just supposed to give you an idea.

 

[fire_rising]

I completely disagree with you. If you are right and the pushup scene is all about Batman getting ready to come back and reclaim his city, then a brand new suit for his return/the climax completely undermines that storyline and its themes. It'll be about Bruce's return to the costume, a new suit undermines the symbolism of him putting the suit BACK on because he's not putting it BACK on if it's new. Moreover, introducing a new Bane-busting Batsuit for the climax undermines Bruce's struggle to overcome the mental and physical obstacles preventing him from being Batman. Why train so hard and doubt yourself if all you need to come back and kick the bad guy's ass is some new armor??? A new suit makes all of this less powerful.

I highly doubt Nolan will introduce a new suit for such story reasons. He obviously really likes the TDK suit and having Bruce get a new suit to solve some problem with the last one is way too repetitive of the last film.

Don't get me wrong, I'm no the biggest fan of the TDK suit and I was really hoping to see an improved version of the Batsuit this time around. So I understand your boundless optimism and I sympathize, but it's not going to happen.

I think the best we can hope for is maybe some minor tweaks to to TDK suit. Maybe Bruce makes some minor adjustments in order to accomodate some new gadgets he needs for the final battle but I think that will be it.

My one hopeful change that I think might be backed up by the themes i mentioned is a redesign of the chestpiece to make the symbol more prominent. Maybe as Bruce contemplates getting back in the suit and whether facing Bane again might mean his death, Alfred interrupts with some witty jab about how the symbol is too small and Bruce should be more proud of what Batman represents.

Eg. Bruce standing in front of suit, looking contemplative, grim. Alfred walks up behind him, stand next to him and jabs at the chestpiece with his finger.

A: "I never understood why Lucius made this so small. I thought you said in your grand plan that Batman was supposed to be a symbol. How are people going to be inspired if they can't tell whether or not you're Batman." (dripping with sarcasm)

Bruce smirks, still silent. (in that iconic way that Bale does when Caine gives his cheeky delivery of one of Alfred's jokes.)

Please forgive the ****** fan-written dialogue, it's just supposed to give you an idea.

Respect, DK! Completely agree and excellently put. Bruce's transformation in TDKR will be signified by his own personal growth. By the end of TDK, the image of Batman has been solidified: neither good nor bad, but a dark knight watching over Gotham. What we need now is strength from Bruce himself, and the training sequence teased in the teaser trailer symbolizes this raw growth.

To fight Bane, you need more than just physical prowess. You need inner strength as well. Batman is fighting this massive force of tactic and deception...an enemy that clearly outmatches him in terms of sheer strength and mass. Without the confidence to face him, you cannot usurp him.

To put it simply, Bruce needs to believe in himself. He needs to believe in Batman. So a new suit, as "cool" as that would be, doesn't say anything more to me thematically.

For where the Joker tested Batman's rules and ethics, Bane is testing Batman's audacity to persevere and become the symbol he set out to be.

 

[Gianakin_]

I wouldn't say he's perceived as neither good nor bad. In the eyes of Gotham I'd definitely say he's considered bad.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

So, should this thread be moved out of the TDKR section?

No, its too entertaining watching everyone argue day in and day out, I dont know how I would live without it.

 

[the dmg]

Two words. Chris Evans:

Spoiler

I think Evans looks great in the costume.

Like I told DMG above, Captain America looks like:

Don't know how anyone can miss the similarities. And you want Batman dressed this way????

It's that same argument where people use this and this as an example against fabric based costumes:

Especially with the last one, it proves that a fabric costume can't work.

The fact that you say you wanted to see a new costume for TDK, and yet you think it's perfect at the same time makes no sense. Batman always seeks to improve flaws that could hinder him. It's the same reason he didn't use fingered wings for his costume when he was testing the fabric for gliding. It's the same reason he decided to go with a different costume design from the Nomex Survival suit.

The suit is far from being perfect.

Humanimal, your manip still rocks. Lench, that manip of Cap's costume looks great.

The majority of the images of Cap's new costume look perfectly fine. There are only one or two that I have issues with. Obviously, it will look better on film. It always does.

Exactly. Even then, it's the cowl that causes the issue. The costume itself is a solid design.

No, its too entertaining watching everyone argue day in and day out, I dont know how I would live without it.

This thread was practically dead, so I am all for debate/argument.

 

[Lily Adler]

Oh so this is the TDKR Batsuit vs. TA Capsuit thread?

Personally, I think the Capsuit looks bad in the front. It looks derpy, but from the side and in motion it looks much better.

 

[Lencho01]

No, its too entertaining watching everyone argue day in and day out, I dont know how I would live without it.

Oh so this is the TDKR Batsuit vs. TA Capsuit thread?

Personally, I think the Capsuit looks bad in the front. It looks derpy, but from the side and in motion it looks much better.

Not really TDKR Batsuit vs. TA Capsuit. It's just the latest suit that can used as an example of how a non-rubber suit can be made and still give the illusion of protection since people are so hung up on that aspect of Batman's suit for whatever reason.

 

[Lily Adler]

I'm open to a fabric suit. My only problem with the rubber suits is lack of movement. I'm fine if we just end up with the TDK suit for this film.