The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread IX

[The Joker]

Yes the TDK suit has functionality but like I said: is this the best Batsuit we could possibly get? Hell no.

Chris Nolan obviously believes it is. At the end of the day, what he thinks is all that matters because it's his vision of Batman.

Since there has not been any noticeable backlash against the TDK suit, he has no reason to think the audience or fans are on the whole unsatisfied with it.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Godzilla,

Liquid armor, spider silk, d3o, nanotechnology. They all interest me. I'm fascinated by that stuff.

One need only look at these kinds of technologies to see that a fabric-based suit is not as ridiculous as it may seem.

Batman would want to be as flexible, mobile, and lightweight as possible - while still having protection. But at the same time, Batman wouldn't want to look blatantly armored - so as to maintain the "supernatural" aspect of his persona.

These types of technologies would allow just that.

These technologies are very fascinating.

 

[Boom]

Chris Nolan obviously believes it is. At the end of the day, what he thinks is all that matters because it's his vision of Batman.

Nolan never said this was the best batsuit we could possibly get. He's not that egotistical. It was simply the best batsuit for what he wanted in his franchise. There is a difference between those two lines of thought.

Since there has not been any noticeable backlash against the TDK suit, he has no reason to think the audience or fans are on the whole unsatisfied with it.

And since there has been no noticeable backlash against the idea of a fabric-based suit by the general audience, I see no reason why we can't give that a try for the next franchise .

 

[DoomsdayApex]

When coming to nanotechnology and liquid-based suits, I think of Batman Beyond.

It's a stretch to imagine these types of elements being utilized in the year 2012, or even 2015 for that matter.

I could work with a 2020 timeline involving these new and more advanced suits for Batman, and considering that a Batman reboot could hit theaters five years after TDKR (possibly 2017), I could be open to the idea.

 

[genraider]

I love the suit we have.

I prefer this suit as well. The alternatives posted in here tend to look silly and campy to me, and wouldn't work very well on screen.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Chris Nolan obviously believes it is. At the end of the day, what he thinks is all that matters because it's his vision of Batman.

Since there has not been any noticeable backlash against the TDK suit, he has no reason to think the audience or fans are on the whole unsatisfied with it.

As much as I love Nolan's Batman movies, his vision of the character is not the only viable way of doing Batman on film (and won't be continuing after TDKR is released, cause Nolan said this is his last Batman movie).

 

[Boom]

When coming to nanotechnology and liquid-based suits, I think of Batman Beyond.

It's a stretch to imagine these types of elements being utilized in the year 2012, or even 2015 for that matter.

Irrelevant. This is a comic book film. Science-fiction is built into the premise, no matter how hard you try to polish it with realism.

The fact that these materials haven't been applied in real-world situations yet doesn't mean that they can't exist in a movieverse set in the same time period. Hell, some of the gadgets Batman uses in Nolan's films are inspired by actual technologies that are only in development (the grappel gun, the glider cape, even the TDK suit itself).

 

[KRIM]

When coming to nanotechnology and liquid-based suits, I think of Batman Beyond.

It's a stretch to imagine these types of elements being utilized in the year 2012, or even 2015 for that matter.

I could work with a 2020 timeline involving these new and more advanced suits for Batman, and considering that a Batman reboot could hit theaters five years after TDKR (possibly 2017), I could be open to the idea.

Those technologies are at the same development cycle as most of the gadgetry you've seen in the past two films. Nolan has simply embellished theoretical concepts and made them a reality. If you could buy into those, there is absolutely no reason why you couldn't feasibly accept what is very much in a testing phase.

 

[The Joker]

Nolan never said this was the best batsuit we could possibly get. He's not that egotistical. It was simply the best batsuit for what he wanted in his franchise. There is a difference between those two lines of thought.

Did I say he said it? No. I said he obviously believes it. I base that on the fact he's doing what no other Batman director has done, and keeping the same bat suit from the previous movie in the sequel. Or at least the majority of the sequel, as there's still is the possibility Batman changes suits for the final confrontation, as pointless as that would be.

And since there has been no noticeable backlash against the idea of a fabric-based suit by the general audience, I see no reason why we can't give that a try for the next franchise .

I don't think you can compare an idea that has not been used in a Batman movie to a costume that has been used and is being used again.

We don't know if there would be be a noticeable backlash to the idea of a fabric based costume for Batman. Has anyone pitched this idea to the masses and gotten some kind of a response?

I haven't heard of a backlash to the idea of Batman doing the Batusi in a movie either, but that's because it has not been pitched to the public yet either

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Granted, but we've yet to even scratch the surface when coming to these technologies.

I would prefer to see them in action a decade from now when we, as men of science, can grasp a better understanding of what we're dealing with.

For example, the liquid based suit is still too unstable and unpredictable to protect anyone from gunfire.

 

[Boom]

Did I say he said it? No. I said he obviously believes it. I base that on the fact he's doing what no other Batman director has done, and keeping the same bat suit from the previous movie in the sequel. Or at least the majority of the sequel, as there's still is the possibility Batman changes suits for the final confrontation, as pointless as that would be.

He won't have a new suit. There's no point in even humoring a possibility anymore.

Anyway...

is this the best Batsuit we could possibly get? Hell no.

Chris Nolan obviously believes it is.

I took that as you inferring that he feels that way. And if he believes his suit is THE best option period, wouldn't he say it is as well? But I suppose there's no way of knowing that, and I might just be splitting hairs. My mistake.

I guess the point I'm trying to make is that people can't close their minds to any other possibility, just because Nolan went this route with the suit.

It's one man's vision of this mythology. It's not end-all-be-all. People are fully entitled to like Nolan's batsuits, but it's just wrong to say that they were the best options, just as it's wrong to say a fabric suit would be.

It's purely an opinion call.

But hell, we can't even begin to make declarative statements like that until we actually have something different to compare the rubber suits to.

I don't think you can compare an idea that has not been used in a Batman movie to a costume that has been used and is being used again.

We don't know if there would be be a noticeable backlash to the idea of a fabric based costume for Batman. Has anyone pitched this idea to the masses and gotten some kind of a response?

And I guess we'll never know until someone actually tries. That's what I want. Someone to actually try something new.

 

[KRIM]

Granted, but we've yet to even scratch the surface when coming to these technologies.

I would prefer to see them in action a decade from now when we, as men of science, can grasp a better understanding of what we're dealing with.

For example, the liquid based suit is still too unstable and unpredictable to protect anyone from gunfire.

If we're bound to the pitfalls and hurdles these technologies face in the real world, then they would never have made it to film. It's not about depicting them to painstakingly accurate details, but rather taking their core functions and placing them in a plausible realm. Regardless if it's imperfect.

The cape, as structured around Batman, cannot ever exist. I do not mean that in a matter of technical limitations. It literally defies physics. The concept itself exists, sure. Nolan has amplified it to the levels deemed suitable for the character, even if he's a few years ahead of the production team behind it. And he's cheated a bit. But that's ok. It's not so blatantly otherwordly that it destroys suspension of disbelief.

I've seen the likes of liquid armor and nanotech in action. That is more than can be said for more than half of anything Nolan has shown in the bat-films. A little bit of imagination is all it really takes to bring a cloth/armor blend to life.

 

[Boom]

Doomsday,

Exactly how close are we to achieving a vehicle akin to the Batwing we're getting in this film?

How close are we to achieving a microwave emitter that doesn't target the water in human beings?

Or, as KRIM points out, how close are we to something that operates in the same way as Batman's cape as depicted in the films?


You take the basic IDEA of these materials, and let science fiction and suspension of disbelief do the rest.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I can't discount humanity's efforts because we've made large leaps when coming to technology.

Who knows what lies in government institutions like Area 51? They might have something far greater than a Batwing concept.

Rumor has it, scientists have are working on an anti-inertia and anti-gravity devices.

Memory Cloth is still being tested on, but progress has been made, so I can't necessarily label it as impossible.

My caution, however, is severely focused on bullet resistant fabrics. Many fabrics, elements, materials, etc were introduced and only a few have passed onto the trials.

 

[KRIM]

I can't discount humanity's efforts because we've made large leaps when coming to technology.

Who knows what lies in government institutions like Area 51? They might have something far greater than a Batwing concept.

Rumor has it, scientists have are working on an anti-inertia and anti-gravity devices.

Memory Cloth is still being tested on, but progress has been made, so I can't necessarily label it as impossible.

My caution, however, is severely focused on bullet resistant fabrics. Many fabrics, elements, materials, etc were introduced and only a few have passed onto the trials.

Said trials are further along than memory cloth is at this point. And they've actual products to show for it. It is tangible (if imperfect) in this very moment. You cannot say this for the microwave emitter, the sonar vision, or the electric cape. Why are any of these acceptable in Nolan's world, when they are barely past a working prototype?

That is what I'm not understanding here. By all reasonable accounts you should be in firm approval of the bulletproof fabrics.

 

[Seen]

As much as I am going to miss Nolan, Bale, and the whole gang, I'm actually excited by the notion of a new franchise because we'll get a new suit. Is that a bad thing?

 

[Boom]

There is nothing wrong with being excited about Batman's future on film.

 

[Electric Sixx]

I've been looking for that pic too - it was brilliant! Would love for somoene to post it t:

Afraid we're alone in this, mate. I'll be sure to pm you if I stumble upon it.

 

[Godzilla2014]

As much as I am going to miss Nolan, Bale, and the whole gang, I'm actually excited by the notion of a new franchise because we'll get a new suit. Is that a bad thing?

My feelings as well. Part of me is simply wondering how the hell Warner Brothers/DC Entertainment are going to followup on the most acclaimed superhero trilogy since Sam Raimi's Spider-Man?

 

[Seen]

I wouldn't call Sam Raimi's Spider-Man trilogy "acclaimed". I think the first two movies were very good, but Spider-Man 3 was pretty bad. However, it wasn't as bad as to completely deter the excitement of some Spider-Man fans who were allegedly looking forward to Raimi's fourth film, but I think Spider-Man 3 damaged that trilogy's reputation a good deal. At least, that's how I see it.

I don't really think we've seen a good or complete superhero trilogy. I was thinking the prospects were good with the X-Men films until Brett Ratner completely squandered that with X-Men: The Last Stand. I think the last two trilogies that were satisfactory and consistent on a creative level (but weren't superhero-related) were the Lord of the Rings and Bourne trilogies. I think Nolan has the opportunity to make the first creatively and artistically consistent and satisfactory superhero trilogy. I think he has a very good chance, but we'll see.

In all honesty, and I don't want to get away from the topic at hand, but as good as Nolan's Batman films have been, I don't think they are absolute. I think they offer a distinct look at the Batman mythology, in the same way Tim Burton and even Joel Schumacher did, but I don't find them absolute films. They are certainly very good, but I think there's still room left for improvement when the franchise eventually reboots. I'm not just talking about aesthetics, either.

 

[Tatsumarushinob]

As much as I am going to miss Nolan, Bale, and the whole gang, I'm actually excited by the notion of a new franchise because we'll get a new suit. Is that a bad thing?

Don't worry buddy, this FACT pumps me up as much as I am pumped for Nolan's last movie. Batman can be done better than Nolan's Batman, and not that Nolan's Batman is bad. There is always room for improvement, and make no mistake Nolan has set a bar for Batman movies that Warner Brothers will not soon forget and this will carry through to the next franchise. Use what works, toss away what doesn't.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Said trials are further along than memory cloth is at this point. And they've actual products to show for it. It is tangible (if imperfect) in this very moment. You cannot say this for the microwave emitter, the sonar vision, or the electric cape. Why are any of these acceptable in Nolan's world, when they are barely past a working prototype?

That is what I'm not understanding here. By all reasonable accounts you should be in firm approval of the bulletproof fabrics.

I never accepted the idea of a microwave emitter or sonar vision.

 

[KRIM]

I never accepted the idea of a microwave emitter or sonar vision.

Fine, then substitute whatever it is you did accept. I'm certain at least one of the things I'm referring to applies to you.

 

[the dmg]

Doomsday, you couldn't really believe in this kind of description:

The Post-Crisis version of the bodysuit is not constructed from simple fabric, but from Kevlar thread and carbon nanotube fibers. This imparts it with a unique sheen and makes it heavily resistant to tearing. In addition, the suit also is constructed with a full body electric shock delivery system, which is also layered into the suit's fabric. The basic version of the Batsuit is insulated against electricity and is mildly fire resistant.

Over this:

Based on an advanced infantry armor system constructed from Nomex, the first layer of protection is an undersuit with built-in temperature regulators designed to keep the wearer at a comfortable temperature in almost any condition. The second layer of protection consists of armor built over the chest, calves, thighs, arms, and back. This armor features a kevlar bi-weave that can stop slashing weapons and can also deflect any bullet short of a straight shot impact, and reinforced joints that allow maximum flexibility and mobility. The armor was then coated with a black latex material to dampen Bruce's heat signature, making him difficult to detect with night-vision equipment

And:

the bodysuit is made of hardened kevlar plates on a titanium-dipped fiber and is broken into multiple pieces of armor over a more flexible bodysuit for greater mobility

Seriously?

 

[RedSkull]

As much as I am going to miss Nolan, Bale, and the whole gang, I'm actually excited by the notion of a new franchise because we'll get a new suit. Is that a bad thing?

it's a strange thing to look forward to an entire new series for ... I'd be more concerned with casting and plot