The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread IX

[TangerineKnight]

That's because they don't need to. It's great just the way it is.

This. Theres no point in changing it for a third time.

 

[fire_rising]

This. Theres no point in changing it for a third time.

Third'd. Not needing to change the suit allows the production team to focus on other batman goodies...like the batwing...and maybe some other surprises?

 

[DaveMoral]

The last thing I want is an ultra-armored Batman suit. It would look like sh-- and would start to go from Batman to Roboman. Batman still needs to look like a dark figure of legend and of the night, and armor doesn't do sh-- for that or the theatricality of the character. Batman doesn't need armor. He's Batman. He's more adept and trained to avoid bullets, disarm criminals, and keep from getting shot or stabbed than anyone else on Earth. He's a master of stealth. He could friggin avoid laser fire and machine guns. The only reason he even got hurt in TDK at the beginning was because Nolan needed an excuse to give him the new suit, and Batman never had a need for that suit one other time in that movie. And if you say he couldn't have survived the fall out of the penthouse with the Begins suit, you're wrong, because he survived a similar fall in Begins while he was ON FIRE.

Trained to avoid bullets huh? Seriously?

If anything that is the worst possible argument you could make. Secondly, no matter how much a master of stealth Batman is, he's als ultra-prepared. He wears body armor under his shirt in the comics and has since the 40s. Even if he were trained to avoid bullets, if any such training actually exists, Batman would want to protect himself from them as much as possible to suit his needs "just in case." And given what he does, getting shot is a very real probability every day. And it's amplified by the simple fact that he often drops into the midst of armed thugs. The guy has been shot on numerous occasions, and his scars are noted by anyone who isn't clued into his secret identity whenever they see Bruce Wayne shirtless. And this is in comics. Shot, stabbed, acid burns etc. You name it, Bruce Wayne's body is riddled with scars. Which I would love to see on film sometime. The need to have handsome guy in movies has always prevented that, but Bruce Wayne should be shown to be a man that carries his battle scars and has to hide them as much as possible.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

That's because they don't need to. It's great just the way it is.

In your opinion maybe , but some of us have been waiting for a batsuit that is not only mobile and flexible but ya know actually looks good.

 

[Boom]

But that's an opinion too, which is why this thread is on a constant loop.

People have got to stop making declarative statements about the suit. It's why arguments get so heated in this thread.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I feel like this thread will never end, until the end of time lol

 

[Godzilla2014]

Trained to avoid bullets huh? Seriously?

If anything that is the worst possible argument you could make. Secondly, no matter how much a master of stealth Batman is, he's als ultra-prepared. He wears body armor under his shirt in the comics and has since the 40s. Even if he were trained to avoid bullets, if any such training actually exists, Batman would want to protect himself from them as much as possible to suit his needs "just in case." And given what he does, getting shot is a very real probability every day. And it's amplified by the simple fact that he often drops into the midst of armed thugs. The guy has been shot on numerous occasions, and his scars are noted by anyone who isn't clued into his secret identity whenever they see Bruce Wayne shirtless. And this is in comics. Shot, stabbed, acid burns etc. You name it, Bruce Wayne's body is riddled with scars. Which I would love to see on film sometime. The need to have handsome guy in movies has always prevented that, but Bruce Wayne should be shown to be a man that carries his battle scars and has to hide them as much as possible.

Agreed. Saying that Batman sees no need to wear body armor because "he's trained to avoid bullets" contradicts the human limitations that make him stand out among the well-known heroes.

 

[Dark Raven]

I was thinking that in Batman Begins, when Bruce Wayne is just trying out his Batman utilities for the first time, couldn't he have had some basic version of the Batsuit which looked like the classic comic black and grey, before it turned into an armoured version?

I never really find Nolan's Batsuit looks that great to be honest. I still think the Burton Batsuit looks better, especially now I've had time to think about it over several years since BB introduced a different type of suit.

 

[DKDetective]

I don't think I've ever understand the hardcore love on these boards for Burton's Batsuits, especially the cowl. I find it to be too wide, flat and rubber looking. Where is Batman's traditionally prominent, sharp, pointy nose?

More generally, and Keaton's physique is part of the problem, the proportionals are all wrong. The head and neck are huge for the body. It looks like a small child dressed up as Batman for Halloween. And this is coming from someone who was in grade school when the Burton/Schumacher movies came out and adored them. I just can't take Burton's Batman seriously as an adult anymore. I respect what Batman 89 and its suit design did for raising awareness of a serious brooding Batman in popular culture.

Also, I'm not a fan of the short, heavy leather(?) cape. It lacks the light flowing dramatic look of the cape in the comics.

As far as I'm concerned, there are only two lessons to to be learned from the Burton suits and the Begins suit embodies the first lesson as well. 1. Simpler is better. 2. How to do a good cowl/cape attachment.

 

[helloiamben]

I always thought the cape was great on the Burton Batman suits. The way it drapes over the shoulders, the way it looks in flight. You mention it not having the look or flow to the comics and yet, out of the 6 Batman films we've gotten so far I see it as the most representative of the comics.

Then the cowls. The '89 and Begins cowl are my favorite masks out of all the films. They took Keaton and Bale's expressions, specifically their eye brows and exaggerated the masks to have this brooding angst feel to them. They look even better when the actors aren't in them and they're lit from above in the vault/wardrobe. As far as rubber goes, I think they've all looked like rubber suits to be honest. Well maybe all of them except the Ice Suit from Batman and Robin and the TDK suit.

To each his own I guess.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I always thought the cape was great on the Burton Batman suits. The way it drapes over the shoulders, the way it looks in flight. You mention it not having the look or flow to the comics and yet, out of the 6 Batman films we've gotten so far I see it as the most representative of the comics.

Then the cowls. The '89 and Begins cowl are my favorite masks out of all the films. They took Keaton and Bale's expressions, specifically their eye brows and exaggerated the masks to have this brooding angst feel to them. They look even better when the actors aren't in them and they're lit from above in the vault/wardrobe. As far as rubber goes, I think they've all looked like rubber suits to be honest. Well maybe all of them except the Ice Suit from Batman and Robin and the TDK suit.

To each his own I guess.

I prefer the Nolan series capes. They actually blow in the breeze instead of moving about an inch.

 

[craigdbfan]

The cape for the Batman Begins suit was godly.

Refer to Batman destroying the van that Scarecrow was making his getaway in TDK. The cape looks glorious and majestically imposing in that shot.

 

[LegendaryCaleb]

I still hate the legs, but this suit would look so much better if the gauntlets were a darker shade of black in this light than the rest of the suit, and the boots as well. The cowl already looks darker and the cape obviously doesn't reflect light in such a way as to look dark grey. If the Bat symbol were more prominent this thing would be damn near perfect visually. At that range the segments don't look so bad. Seriously, how could the ball be dropped on making things that should be prominent not prominent? That top left shot actually looks awesome.

TDK suit looks good! I'm fine with it for TDKR!

 

[Bruce Malone]

^^^

In those above pics the suit looks fierce, especially the top left one. I can't think of another batman movie costume that would look nearly as good in day light as the TDK(r) seems to do.

 

[Doctor Who]

I feel like this thread will never end, until the end of time lol

 

[craigaat]

What is that stunt suit going to be used for, Batman on fire?

 

[Dark Raven]

I looked at those pictures and thought that certain parts of the Batsuit had ribbing, but then I realised it was the watermarks.

 

[Mako]

What is that stunt suit going to be used for, Batman on fire?

I believe he is just a stand-in rather than a stunt man.

 

[regwec]

Agreed. Saying that Batman sees no need to wear body armor because "he's trained to avoid bullets" contradicts the human limitations that make him stand out among the well-known heroes.

It is perfectly feasible for someone to be trained to avoid bullets. It is unfeasible for someone to be able to dodge bullets.

Batman should use stealth, misdirection and surprise to deny his opponents any opportunity to open fire accurately on him.

Of course Batman needs to wear some anti-ballistic protection, but it should be the last line of resort. Its inclusion shouldn't be the foremost thing that dictates the design of his costume.

We need to see Batman explode through a plaster wall, and drag a screaming goon through the smoking cavity.

 

[doobie]

The TDK suit looked much better in the movie than in spy pics.

 

[Ring Deacon]

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[Carnotaur3]

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lmao!

 

[Travesty]

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This just made me laugh so hard.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

No thanks to that, I like the CA suit but that is ghastly.

 

[JackWhite]

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