The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VI

[Dr. Teols]

just curious, but exactly what kind of material does everyone think would be best to cover the armor if Nolan was to go the B:AA route for the next suit? i think some type of leather would be great.

thoughts???

 

[Knight Rise]

just curious, but exactly what kind of material does everyone think would be best to cover the armor if Nolan was to go the B:AA route for the next suit? i think some type of leather would be great.

thoughts???

hes not doing another batman film

 

[Dr. Teols]

hes not doing another batman film

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are you implying that we are not getting a new suit for THIS film?

 

[RustyCage]

Mycroft, Sherlock's brother, is of superior intellect and deductive prowess. However his lack of ambition and ability to apply his natural talents makes him an inferior detective.

In other words Supes has the capability of being far smarter than Bruce, but because his priorities are more inclined towards activities that don't exert as much mental function, he has little use of it. Bruce on the other hand relies on his brain. It permeates his entire life. Coupled with his unmatched dedication to perfection, he would be considered the superior in that field.

Great post! Never thought to make that comparison before. Kind of makes them seem more brotherly doesn't it.

 

[Knight Rise]

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are you implying that we are not getting a new suit for THIS film?

We aren't getting fabric or leather over armor that's for sure. You don't just suddenly step completely out of a suit design, that's just utter nonsense when it comes to filmmaking

 

[Gotham Knight]

hes not doing another batman film

He's talking about TDKR.

 

[Dr. Teols]

Well while you might be right (which you more than likely are), since we do not know what the new suit will look like or even if we will have a new suit I do not see the problem in speculating. Gives us something to do until we actually get some real info.

 

[JAK®]

just curious, but exactly what kind of material does everyone think would be best to cover the armor if Nolan was to go the B:AA route for the next suit? i think some type of leather would be great.

thoughts???

In the film universe, it would be described as a nomex-kevlar biweave. In real life, it will probably be just nomex over a muscle suit like the Spider-Man movies, with a screen-printed texture that gives it the illusion of being a thicker, more durable material.The seams will also have a tough, nearly metallic texture built into them to make the fabric look reinforced.

 

[not_a_victim]

In the film universe, it would be described as a nomex-kevlar biweave. In real life, it will probably be just nomex over a muscle suit like the Spider-Man movies, with a screen-printed texture that gives it the illusion of being a thicker, more durable material.The seams will also have a tough, nearly metallic texture built into them to make the fabric look reinforced.

Are you saying the costume makers for SM make the suit out of actual Nomex? I'm not saying I know they didn't, but I would find that very hard to believe. The cost would be 10x what it would cost for other materials...

 

[JAK®]

Are you saying the costume makers for SM make the suit out of actual Nomex? I'm not saying I know they didn't, but I would find that very hard to believe. The cost would be 10x what it would cost for other materials...

I remember hearing years ago it was made out of nomex. But after doing research it was apparently made of Latex/polyutherane.

 

[RustyCage]

We aren't getting fabric or leather over armor that's for sure. You don't just suddenly step completely out of a suit design, that's just utter nonsense when it comes to filmmaking

It's not stepping out of it, it's adding to it, evolving it. This has always been done in Batman films.

 

[JBElliott]

That's a great looking exterior and a nice idea for the interior. We'd be lucky to get something like that in TDKR, but we won't.

 

[Knight Rise]

It's not stepping out of it, it's adding to it, evolving it. This has always been done in Batman films.

no, putting fabric or leather over armor...what? why is that necessary? for looks? that is stepping out of the design: this batsuit is meant to function for mobility. there is no point in putting fabric or leather over it because otherwise, we would already have a better looking suit than TDK. it wont happen in Nolans films, i can guarantee you

 

[TheZink]

no, putting fabric or leather over armor...what? why is that necessary? for looks? that is stepping out of the design: this batsuit is meant to function for mobility. there is no point in putting fabric or leather over it because otherwise, we would already have a better looking suit than TDK. it wont happen in Nolans films, i can guarantee you

Several technical reasons can be given for needing it. Just to name a few

-Fireproof
-Provides extra cushioning when taking direct heavy blows (weapons, or a huge f**king Bane).
-Or maybe his current suite gets decimated on his first encounter with Bane?

Nolan could do it, if he WANTED to, and he could make it "teh realz"

 

[MOS]

Batman is smarter than Superman (I don't know Mr. Terrific). Batman's tactical and strategical skills are a part of his greater intelligence. Correct me if I am wrong, but Bruce Wayne is the smartest non-metahuman man of the DCU.

No he's not. Superman's Kryptonian brain makes him born smarter than any human will ever be.

 

[Knight Rise]

Several technical reasons can be given for needing it. Just to name a few

-Fireproof
-Provides extra cushioning when taking direct heavy blows (weapons, or a huge f**king Bane).
-Or maybe his current suite gets decimated on his first encounter with Bane?

Nolan could do it, if he WANTED to, and he could make it "teh realz"

hey um.....fabric isnt going to do squat against Bane

 

[JAK®]

hey um.....fabric isnt going to do squat against Bane

Depends what fabric it is. There is armour underneath as well, which you seem to have forgotten.

 

[TheZink]

hey um.....fabric isnt going to do squat against Bane

Just looking at this through a materials engineering point of view.

Ceramic plates are brittle as hell. You take a sledge hammer to one, and it will crack and break. They also don't hold up well to continuous stress.

When we say "fabric" we are talking about the look. The actual use can be something much more durable and useful. Whatever it is could help stop soften the blows, AND hold the heavy armor underneath.

The top layer should cover your joints and areas that are not entirely vital. The heavy duty plates underneath should cover your vital areas (chest, abdomen etc) The cushion from the top armor keeps the under armor from being fatigued too much and loosing its strength over time.

 

[regwec]

hey um.....fabric isnt going to do squat against Bane

Christian Bale isn't really going to fight Bane.

 

[Doc Phosphorus]

Christian Bale isn't really going to fight Bane.

Unless he ruins his scene.

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Bale jokes = done ?

 

[RustyCage]

hey um.....fabric isnt going to do squat against Bane

That's not necessarily true, as others have pointed out. But the fabric doesn't even necessarily have to do squat against Bane, as he's got underarmor for that.

 

[RustyCage]

Several technical reasons can be given for needing it. Just to name a few

-Fireproof
-Provides extra cushioning when taking direct heavy blows (weapons, or a huge f**king Bane).
-Or maybe his current suite gets decimated on his first encounter with Bane?

Nolan could do it, if he WANTED to, and he could make it "teh realz"

Just making a note here: the Nomex suit from Begins was also Fireproof. Nomex as a material is designed primarily for that purpose. He'd have some pretty wicked burns from Scarecrow if it wasn't.

It also serves the function of your second bulletin. Which isn't to say, of course, that a little extra protection wouldn't hurt.

But I recommend watching the behind the scenes stuff from BB and TDK for more info on the functionality of the suits in either film. You'll be surprised how many details you may be unaware of. For example, a lot of people think he's just spray painting the suit black in Begins, but that's actually a latex spray to mask his heat signature. They went out of their way to make all of Batman's costume functional and impressive in some way. Pretty much everything has a hidden purpose.

This is why I sort of doubt Nolan will bother with cloth overtop, unless the reasoning is less physical function and more psychological function - to seem less protected and therefore more inhuman in situations where most people would take severe damage or go down. Think of the scene where Joker shoots Bruce in Batman '89. That kind of deception is pretty powerful and handy.

 

[Godzilla2014]

In the film universe, it would be described as a nomex-kevlar biweave. In real life, it will probably be just nomex over a muscle suit like the Spider-Man movies, with a screen-printed texture that gives it the illusion of being a thicker, more durable material.The seams will also have a tough, nearly metallic texture built into them to make the fabric look reinforced.

Sounds good!

No he's not. Superman's Kryptonian brain makes him born smarter than any human will ever be.

This seems to be inconsistent. To my recollection, Batman and Lex Luthor are more intelligent than him, with their battles being "brain vs. brawn". After all, if he were indeed smarter than any human, then any battle with Lex Luthor would be entirely pointless, because then Lex Luthor would would not be able to challenge him in any way, so Lex Luthor would be the most boring archenemy in the history comics.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

This seems to be inconsistent. To my recollection, Batman and Lex Luthor are more intelligent than him, with their battles being "brain vs. brawn". After all, if he were indeed smarter than any human, then any battle with Lex Luthor would be entirely pointless, because then Lex Luthor would would not be able to challenge him in any way, so Lex Luthor would be the most boring archenemy in the history comics.

Some writers ignore it because they aren't talented enough to write a character that is smart as well as strong. Although JMS may write boring turds of stories, he got it right in Earth One. And hopefully, given his track record with Supes Grant will do it right in Action.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Some writers ignore it because they aren't talented enough to write a character that is smart as well as strong. Although JMS may write boring turds of stories, he got it right in Earth One. And hopefully, given his track record with Supes Grant will do it right in Action.

The thing about that I really don't like, is simply makes Superman too powerful to me. He can move planets, fly to distant solar systems in hours, see through walls, burn things with heat beams from his eyes from a mile away, blow stars out, AND he's smarter than any human? It just kind of makes humans or anyone else seem entirely irrelevant. No wonder he got de-powered in the 1980s. He's got plenty of powers without a super-intellect. It just seems excessive to me.