The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VI

[Majik1387]

More like the next director after Nolan.

 

[Boom]

No, I'd rather it be Nolan for the time being.

The TDK suit has got to go.

 

[Majik1387]

Eh, I don't see it happening for TDKR.

 

[the dmg]

Yes, you're right. There was also spandex in the TL suits...Spandex, Neoprene and Foam Latex...I did neglect to mention that earlier....but they're full of neoprene inserts too.

All costume applications have their pros and cons...or trade offs if you will. The better movement of the TDK suit came with added weight compared to the Begins suit....correct again.

Personally, I love the TRON LEGACY costume designs...and when I saw them in person I wanted to rip my hair out of my head because we had to replicate them for the mass market as Movie Replica Motorcycle suits....and the Tron Legacy suits are themselves also incredibly advanced and innovative, making them that much more of a challenge bringing them to life with leather, silicone and spandex. You'll get absolutely no argument from me on the design and look of the Tron Legacy suits...awesome suits for sure.

David

They could have designed it too look good instead of what we got in TDK, along with providing more mobility for Bale. Why can't we have both something that's aesthetically pleasing and functional? It's not impossible.

 

[BatScot]

...who's questioning that?

You are—by suggesting that the TDK suit is an “entirely new concept” when both the idea and the materials have been discussed here on these very boards for well over eight years.

I said that this was the first time this technique and material was used for a movie Batsuit. I didn't say they invented something.

Near enough.

The fan made image you posted above is just that, a fan made image...and a good one too. Ideas and concepts exist in the fan world and have now for eons...the reality of what we see on film may draw influences from real world areas the 'world' over but that doesn't make it old news when it's the first time a Batsuit was made that way on film.

Regardless of what you think, that is not what I said. The B:IG image is proof of an idea that existed before Hollywood thought to make it a reality. For you this coming together is revolutionary and new; for me it is simply Hollywood catching up. Now if you want to caveat this in the context of costume construction then fine let’s just leave it at that and call it a day.

By your logic then, ANY Batsuit seen on film would be old news because we've probably already seen them in some form of comic book art....but then again the movie is based on the characters as seen and portrayed in DC Comics...right?

Your logic. Your words. Not mine. I never said the TDK suit was old news. I said there was nothing revolutionary about the concept of moto-bike armor over mesh, which is true... then we started taking about tailoring.

Look, I get it...you dont like the TDK Suit...

True, true... but I’m not the only one.

but I weighed in on how it was made and the comparisons being made to the Tron Legacy suits....nothing more, nothing less...

Now, now, lets be honest here... there was more than a just little bit of glorification in your remarks regarding the TDK suit. And that’s fine...

so trying to force feed me your personal opinion is rather weird when I've been publicly respecting everyone's views and opinions since my first post here on the Hype.

... I just don’t buy into that ‘everybody gets a medal’ mentality.

You want to hate on the TDK suit...go ahead, hate...but you're going to have trouble with your proposed facts as they're skewed by your personal feelings towards the suit itself...and secondly because you make far too many assumptions....

Don’t give me that ‘hater’ crap. And as for these “proposed facts” of mine: a) the TDK costume designers did not invent polyester mesh, b) the TDK costume designers did not invent moto-bike armor, c) there is nothing novel about using mesh (or mail as we thought of it) for the undersuit. These are not my personal feelings. These are truths.

when the REALITY of the engineering behind the TDK suit is spectacular in world of costume making.

Good for them... they finally got around to doing something we’ve been talking about for years. The Academy should give them the Oscar. What’s that? Not even nominated? But that thing was revolutionary!!!

And for that matter, all the movie Batsuits have incredible thought and engineering behind them. The B&R Robin suit for instance...regardless of how it looks or if you love/hate it, the movie or the director...that suit was incredible....technically speaking by how it was made. The design may or may not be to your liking though, and that's totally cool.

Everybody gets a medal.

 

[RustyCage]

Love the atmosphere, loathe the suit design.

 

[the dmg]

Love the atmosphere, loathe the suit design.

I believe that's from B89.

EDIT:
It is. Yay.

 

[Majik1387]

The 89 version looks better.

 

[the dmg]

The 89 version looks better.

Easily.

 

[Doc Holliday]

The 89 version looks better.

Even with that wonky bat symbol.

 

[EliteF50]

Even with that wonky bat symbol.

I love that demonic Bat symbol.

 

[Doc Holliday]

I love that demonic Bat symbol.

Too many curvy lines. Imagine trying to draw that as a small child! It never came out symmetrical.

 

[Majik1387]

Some people can't even do the simple Bat-symbol symmetrical.

 

[the dmg]

I love that demonic Bat symbol.

Same here.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

How is it demonic?

 

[EliteF50]

The extra points make it look more... demonic.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

 

[RustyCage]

The extra points make it look more... demonic.

I think 'gothic' is probably a better word for it. I like it quite a lot too, suited Burton's vision without being over the top.

 

[DAVIDYR1]

You are—by suggesting that the TDK suit is an “entirely new concept” when both the idea and the materials have been discussed here on these very boards for well over eight years.

Near enough.

Regardless of what you think, that is not what I said. The B:IG image is proof of an idea that existed before Hollywood thought to make it a reality. For you this coming together is revolutionary and new; for me it is simply Hollywood catching up. Now if you want to caveat this in the context of costume construction then fine let’s just leave it at that and call it a day.

Your logic. Your words. Not mine. I never said the TDK suit was old news. I said there was nothing revolutionary about the concept of moto-bike armor over mesh, which is true... then we started taking about tailoring.

True, true... but I’m not the only one.

Now, now, lets be honest here... there was more than a just little bit of glorification in your remarks regarding the TDK suit. And that’s fine...

... I just don’t buy into that ‘everybody gets a medal’ mentality.



Don’t give me that ‘hater’ crap. And as for these “proposed facts” of mine: a) the TDK costume designers did not invent polyester mesh, b) the TDK costume designers did not invent moto-bike armor, c) there is nothing novel about using mesh (or mail as we thought of it) for the undersuit. These are not my personal feelings. These are truths.

Good for them... they finally got around to doing something we’ve been talking about for years. The Academy should give them the Oscar. What’s that? Not even nominated? But that thing was revolutionary!!!

Everybody gets a medal.

You sound like a child who hasn't gotten his way.
I say the costume was made a certain way...you rebut by saying yea but they didn't invent this or that.
I try to comment on technique, and you say I'm glorifying the suit.
...and because you've been talking about something for years, and now that Hollywood has done it in a completely different way or at the very least - loosely related... it's no longer revolutionary? C'mon, get over yourself.

I was fine with our back and fourth until this last post of yours. I'm perfectly cool with differing opinions...but your problem is that you speak as if you personally...not the Batman fan base - but YOU are entitled to what you and only you want and believe.
You have absolutely no sense of open-mindedness...and cannot get past your own personal feelings towards the suit...and are far too incapable of not passing judgement on anything even remotely related to the TDK suit.
You want me to accept your views and opinions while you draw conclusions on mine when all I did was talk about how it was made...because you say there was a sense of glorification in my words!? Let me tell you something...What you call glorification, I call respect.
You've apparently 'talked' about something for years....let me emphasize talked about... and now that Hollywood does something loosely related to something you've been 'talking' about, by you it's 'nothing new'.
Wow, so every sci-fi writer out there has basically stolen the thunder of any new invention or concept that actually becomes reality...because they talked about it first...get over yourself dude.

If you can't have a conversation or a discussion without being condescending, judgmental or over-glorifying yourself because you 'talked' about something that in some small way became a reality years later then simply put and respectfully...you're nothing more than a troll.

I was talking technique...costume making and costume comparisons....but according to you that's not OK because you dislike the TDK suit. Talk about beating a dead horse...

David

 

[The Joker]

I agree with your points about the TDK suit, David. I've enjoyed reading your posts regarding it. Very insightful

 

[redhawk23]

They could have designed it too look good instead of what we got in TDK, along with providing more mobility for Bale. Why can't we have both something that's aesthetically pleasing and functional? It's not impossible.

Very possible that those most responsible for the suit disagree with you about what counts as aesthetically pleasing. You don't have to agree with them, I'm just pointing that out.

 

[D.P.]

*Looks at Batman Begins & The Dark Knight DVDs*

You've...changed things.

 

[Gianakin_]

*Looks at Batman Begins & The Dark Knight DVDs*

You've...changed things.

Fo sho!

 

[EliteF50]

I think 'gothic' is probably a better word for it. I like it quite a lot too, suited Burton's vision without being over the top.

Yeah, I suppose I meant gothic. Either way, it looks great.

*Looks at Batman Begins & The Dark Knight DVDs*

You've...changed things.

Wow, that actually looks awesome. Batman and Superman, I mean. I thought removing the underwear would look weird...

 

[DaveMoral]

Superman now looks like he has blue metal bikini bottoms on...