The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread VIII

[Troy_Parker]

There should never be a CG Batsuit.

Never. It's a stupid idea, and as people have said, a waste of money.

 

[DaveMoral]

And yet we see Bruce as an eccentric loner in each and every Batman movie thats ever come out. Its been a constant theme. Why would you want it any other way? I dont want Bruce to become a boyscout like Supes. I want him to be the character that ive always loved, the man who has an extremely hard time trusting anyone and letting anyone get close. The man who is obsessed with fighting crime, to the point that he neglects his own personal life. I dont want Bruce to chill in the Batcave and then head upstairs to feed his child with a pacifier. Because thats what you make it sound like..that Bruce is a family man, and loves his family time. While he might have formed all those groups, he has always preferred to work alone. You couldnt be more wrong about the character in that sense.

I just noticed this, but the bolded part has got to be the stupidest thing I've ever read. Seriously, that's what you think pacifiers are for? Have you ever actually been around babies?

 

[Boom]

A CGI batsuit is not only a waste of money, it is completely unnecessary. Materials do exist out there that would provide an actor with the flexibility and mobility he needs for a role like Batman (despite continuing efforts to ignore such materials). The Captain America suit in The Avengers, to name one example, would be an excellent starting-off point.

Hell, even if they decided to stick with the "foam latex over mesh" look for Batman, one need only look at the TRON: Legacy suits.

Put me in the "HELL NO" group for a CG batsuit. I don't care what the pros are. I simply will not believe that CGI is the best viable option for a batsuit. I will not.

 

[Troy_Parker]

Exactly.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

A CGI batsuit is not only a waste of money, it is completely unnecessary. Materials do exist out there that would provide an actor with the flexibility and mobility he needs for a role like Batman (despite continuing efforts to ignore such materials). The Captain America suit in The Avengers, to name one example, would be an excellent starting-of point.

Hell, even if they decided to stick with the "foam latex over mesh" look for Batman, one need only look at the TRON: Legacy suits.

Put me in the "HELL NO" group for a CG batsuit.

You can count me in as well!!

 

[DoomsdayApex]

It's safe to say that the sentiment for a CGI suit is undeniably and overwhelmingly negative but it's bound to happen sometime down the road.

By the way, you gentlemen can do some much better than just 'waste of money and resources' and 'it's a stupid idea' point. It's a comic book adaptation for christ's sake -- not a fund for kick starting the World's Economy.

Captain America's suit is bascially a puffy-jacket body suit in The First Avenger, and the suit featured in The Avengers appears pleasing to the eye but it utlimately falls short with me. The suit looks like it was made from the same material my pillow originated from in recent spy pictures.

Mobility and fluidity will always be issues when coming to fight scenes unless a director comes along and gives the actor the suit from the animated series and comics. A CGI suit for a scene that involves a critical amount of movement and speed is not stupid. Visuals are improving everyday in the industry. The question then transitions to why insult something you've yet to see in action?

People constantly complain that Batman is slow and his movements seem robotic, and I agree. In TDK, whenever Batman was in combat or in a scene which involved running, Bale/Batman appeared as if he was about to fall over.

 

[Mister Meddle]

This is part of the reason why I believe they should go full throttle and just provide something that somebody would realistically wear for combat. Gray uniform (doesn't have to be spandex), wear a bullet proof vest under neath, wear a typical military belt with the pouches and capsules. Like I said before, a billionaire that runs around as a vigilante would never wear a hundred pound rubber suit. Too many disadvantages. Plus it would make the actor look much more natural.

 

[TheBatman072]

This is part of the reason why I believe they should go full throttle and just provide something that somebody would realistically wear for combat. Gray uniform (doesn't have to be spandex), wear a bullet proof vest under neath, wear a typical military belt with the pouches and capsules. Like I said before, a billionaire that runs around as a vigilante would never wear a hundred pound rubber suit. Too many disadvantages. Plus it would make the actor look much more natural.

It's not a "hundred pound rubber suit" in the movie.

 

[Mister Meddle]

It's not a "hundred pound rubber suit" in the movie.

Of course we're supposed to suspend disbelief. I always thought TDK suit looked heavy, especially when you see Batman covered with a bunch of plates.

 

[Mister Meddle]

Lee Bermejo's Batman is perfect for live action. He should wear a body armor under his gray uniform to protect his torso, just like soldiers or police officers. It's pretty much the way I picture a real life Batman. Well equipped, decent protection (of course not as well as the heavy-duty rubber suits), it's not heavy at all (when in combat the last thing you need is to carry around a massive amount of weight) and most importantly of all he would look just like the character from the comics. The costume looks like a combat uniform with the theatrical aspect to frighten the criminals.

Spoiler

 

[Rocketman]

I have no problem with a CGI Batsuit, as long as the CGI isn't noticeable. And story wise, Bruce Wayne is a multi-billionaire. He can afford a suit that doesn't exist in real life. Why not a suit that fits perfectly with advanced, state-of-the-art material? I'm not talking about Ryan Reynolds' Green Lantern suit... but I'm not not talking about that either.

That's chainmail, designed for scuba diving with sharks. Not even sharks can bite through the material.

What's wrong with wearing this on top of the chainmail, without actually seeing the chainmail?

And before you mention that this is exactly what TDK's suit was, I won't argue. BUT, it just shows that Batman could actually exist in the real world without being a billionaire. Imagine if you actually were a billionaire.

So, I mention CGI, only because I wouldn't mind seeing CGI incorporated into the mask, the eyes (white lenses), the cape. How badass would a CGI cape be in the style of Spawn?

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

I love Lees batman design the suit is so alive looking to me.

 

[Mister Meddle]

I love Lees batman design the suit is so alive looking to me.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Lee's design isn't flattering, but it is believable and extremely tactical. I wouldn't mind seeing a different version of that suit on the big screen.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I have no problem with a CGI Batsuit, as long as the CGI isn't noticeable. And story wise, Bruce Wayne is a multi-billionaire. He can afford a suit that doesn't exist in real life. Why not a suit that fits perfectly with advanced, state-of-the-art material? I'm not talking about Ryan Reynolds' Green Lantern suit... but I'm not not talking about that either.

That's chainmail, designed for scuba diving with sharks. Not even sharks can bite through the material.

What's wrong with wearing this on top of the chainmail, without actually seeing the chainmail?

And before you mention that this is exactly what TDK's suit was, I won't argue. BUT, it just shows that Batman could actually exist in the real world without being a billionaire. Imagine if you actually were a billionaire.

So, I mention CGI, only because I wouldn't mind seeing CGI incorporated into the mask, the eyes (white lenses), the cape. How badass would a CGI cape be in the style of Spawn?

Exactly. If the visuals are noticeable, then I would refuse to go along with it, but if the CGI is highly advanced and hardly noticeable I say go for it

I loved Spawn's cape

 

[Breogan]

Like this...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SF-5Tq1E70

Look at the flips.....the gymnastic skills....AND HE'S GOT A BIG BLACK CAPE ON TOO!! And he's extremely fast. Why? How can Zorro do this?? No rubber suit! This is what Batman has done since his creation....this is how he fights! Not like the stiffy we've had since the Burton films.

Heck...isn't Zorro part of Bruce's inspiration??

Yes he was.
And nice clip.
Both Kane and Finger were big fans of Douglas Fairbank's Zorro, particualrlly the way he moved, he was the first big movie action hero.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaBud6ii5Wk

As stated, Fairbanks who did all his own stunts, was doing natural Parkour long before it even had a name.
This is the character and the moves that inspired Batman....

"Zorro’s use of a mask to conceal his identity as Don Diego gave me the idea of giving Batman a secret identity…Bruce Wayne would be a man of means who put on a façade of being effete. Zorro rode a black horse called Tornado and would enter a cave and exit from a grandfather clock in the living room. The bat-cave was inspired by this cave in Zorro. I didn't want Batman to be a Superhero with superpowers…So I made Batman an ordinary human being; he is just an athlete who has the physical prowess of Douglas Fairbanks, Sr.[who played Zorro], who was my all-time favorite hero in the movies.” –Bob Kane

[FONT=&quot]"My idea of Batman was to be a combination of Zorro, Sherlock Holmes, the Shadow, and Doc Savage as well." - Bill Finger

[/FONT] We felt that we had a winner. Bill said that "anything that was original enough to combine da Vinci, Zorro, and the Bat had to be a success."

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Also "...Bill Finger regularly supplied the acrobatic stills of Fairbanks to Bob Kane and his assistants." - [/FONT]Anthony Tollin,
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This is what Batman has done since his creation....this is how he fights! Not like the stiffy we've had since the Burton films.

True! - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaBud6ii5Wk&feature=player_detailpage#t=61s

 

[JBElliott]

It's not a "hundred pound rubber suit" in the movie.

But it looks like a "hundred pound rubber suit" in the movie.

 

[The Guard]

I have no issues with a CGI Batsuit.

In a CGI animated Batman film.

But I don't see the point in using CGI for something that can, in this case, likely be done practically and for less money. I also feel like the actor's performance would suffer a bit, especially if the cowl and cape were also CGI.

 

[Eggyman]

Say if we got a Del Toro-esque Batfilm, I wouldn't mind them using CGI to enhance the cape (like Spawn's), but I'd still prefer them to do it practically.

On that note, I love the Nolan films, but I am hoping for a more fantastical look and tone for the next films.

 

[Stotch]

Say if we got a Del Toro-esque Batfilm, I wouldn't mind them using CGI to enhance the cape (like Spawn's), but I'd still prefer them to do it practically.

On that note, I love the Nolan films, but I am hoping for a more fantastical look and tone for the next films.

A bit like the fan-made arkham asylum trailer? I wouldn't mind seeing that. Although I'd take those giant shoulders off batman...

 

[BatBat]

Oh, and the black bat logo trumps the oval.

Now that's a symbol I can take seriously.

 

[TheBatman072]

Why are people tripping over themselves for a Spawn-like cape for Batman?

Spawn's cape was alive. It was an organic extension of Spawn.

It would be incredibly stupid if Batman's cape acted like Spawn's.

 

[Stotch]

You know what else batman's costume needs? Chains.

 

[DaveMoral]

I want to see Nolan have Batman use his cape as a weapon. I love using it to stun in Arkham Asylum. We need that on film.

 

[bunk]

I think it would be interesting if he could somehow control the size of his cape making it larger for dramatic effect and smaller for ease of combat. Don't ask me how.