The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[RustyCage]

I thought you said once that type of costume wouldn't work in Nolan's movies. Sorry if I'm wrong.

I was suggesting it a loooong time ago when it looked like no one else was.

I have argued that referring to that as 'comics Batman' is rather inaccurate though, as Batman has been portrayed as just wearing 'long johns' (Alfred's words! ) in the comics, armorless, and some people literally want that. I don't, myself, and prefer what you specified.

I think I was explaining the importance of making that distinction to you when you posted pictures from Year One as examples of your ideal Batsuit, actually. Maybe you're thinking of that.

That was a lot of sentences beginning with 'I'.

 

[JAK®]

I was suggesting it a loooong time ago when it looked like no one else was.

I have argued that referring to that as 'comics Batman' is rather inaccurate though, as Batman has been portrayed as just wearing 'long johns' (Alfred's words! ) in the comics, armorless, and some people literally want that. I don't, myself, and prefer what you specified.

I think I was explaining the importance of making that distinction to you when you posted pictures from Year One as examples of your ideal Batsuit, actually. Maybe you're thinking of that.

I apoligise then.

Although I never posted the Year One images as an example of an ideal (live action) Batsuit, merely to illustrate the point that Batman's design is a relatively simple one, and should stay that way.

 

[RustyCage]

I apoligise then.

Although I never posted the Year One images as an example of an ideal (live action) Batsuit, merely to illustrate the point that Batman's design is a relatively simple one, and should stay that way.

Yeah, you eventually cleared that up for me.

 

[Saint]

Didn't Nolan compare to an actual...ahem...'knight'. Yeah, way to be subtle Chris.

No, as far as I know, he never did. I believe the "He was supposed look like a knight" idea is an entirely fan-invented concept that has been repeated so much that people accept it as truth.

 

[JAK®]

No, as far as I know, he never did. I believe the "He was supposed look like a knight" idea is an entirely fan-invented concept that has been repeated so much that people accept it as truth.

Just like "that would never work in Nolan's universe"

 

[Saint]

It is a great suit. The best from the old films, imo.

Personally, I despise the Panther Suit. He looks like Bondage Action Batman, a action figure variant exclusive to sex shops. It's this horrible, shiny rubber monstrosity with the most absurd, overdone fake musculature in the world. Frankly, I'd rather have the TDK suit than Las Vegas Batman.

 

[Man of Steel]

Found these on DeviantArt, some interesting ideas:

Spoiler

Good job.

These are both pretty interesting. Drop some of the weirder design decisions on the top one (belt, gloves... nipples) and that would work fine. The bottom one would work fine right out of the box.

What this guy said^.

In all seriousness, you're entitled to your own opinion, and I respect your opinion (however wrong it may be,LOL) I WILL give you it is the best out of all the Schumacher suits, but that's not really saying much is it? We are talking about the same one, right?

This one:

Actually, apart from the chrome belt, dull, Superman Returns-yellow and nipples, that's actually pretty good. The Keaton suit is still the best though. As for modern takes(as in, the last ten years), the similar Earth-One and Batman: Incorporated suits are the best:

 

[DaveMoral]

The white-eyes remind me of this more than anything else:

Two more pics before I let you guys go.

Ah yes, Bat Vader! Ever notice that the chin portion of Bruce's neckbrace/cowl is the exact same as Darth Vader's?

Good job.

What this guy said^.

Actually, apart from the chrome belt, dull, Superman Returns-yellow and nipples, that's actually pretty good. The Keaton suit is still the best though. As for modern takes(as in, the last ten years), the similar Earth-One and Batman: Incorporated suits are the best:

I like the Earth-One and Batman Inc suits except for the yellow ellipse. It's definitely not my preference. I like the suit with just the black Bat.

 

[RustyCage]

Personally, I despise the Panther Suit. He looks like Bondage Action Batman, a action figure variant exclusive to sex shops. It's this horrible, shiny rubber monstrosity with the most absurd, overdone fake musculature in the world. Frankly, I'd rather have the TDK suit than Las Vegas Batman.

Wow. That's easily the best I've ever seen it described.

 

[JAK®]

I really like the yellow oval. I think it works for an experienced Batman who intimidates through his sheer reputation; seeing that yellow oval in the dark would scare any criminal.

 

[Mr. Earle]

@ Schumacher suits:

I only said that they looked mobile besides the stiff neck and that i never noticed them crease in an embarassing way. Its a suit, it should crease, but damn the Begins suit had some nasty creasing. I never said batman should look shinny and have nipples, although as a kid i LOVED the sonar suit.


@ Azbats suit:

I was only a kid in the 90ies and reading Knightfall now i dont know if i can get all the metatext about it. I think DC was trying to make a point with this suit and to show that Batman's suit with the panties is actually cool and that fans shouldnt be asking for silly revamps. Or i could be reading too much into it.

@ TDK telephone sonar gadget:

You guys havent been reading any comics have you? Batman uses nanomachines and spaceships on a daily basis. I mean Nolan gave us some comic book sciense and imagination and you guys are getting your ovaries blown over the realism or cheesiness of such things. Wait till we (hopefully) get a comics faithful Lex Luthor with all his crazy science and mech suits.

 

[Bruce Malone]

Personally, I despise the Panther Suit. He looks like Bondage Action Batman, a action figure variant exclusive to sex shops. It's this horrible, shiny rubber monstrosity with the most absurd, overdone fake musculature in the world. Frankly, I'd rather have the TDK suit than Las Vegas Batman.

Haha i agree. The overt gaudiness was over done to death with that outfit. The scene when nicole kidman was stroking his fake plaster 12 pack still makes me cringe.

 

[DaveMoral]

^ I don't think the Azbats suit was being used to tell the fans that Batman's trunks were cool, since they revamped Batman's suit after that with Bruce taking some ideas from Azbats, then not having them eventually for a more traditional suit with a darker tone and no trunks. Batman didn't wear the trunks for quite a few years.

 

[JonRed99]

You know what would be quite awesome?

Because of his guilt and feeling that Harvey's death was his fault, Bruce starts to reject help and stuff like that. Because of this, in the first part of the movie, he is shown with a basic cloth Batsuit, which upon closer inspection, is actually the TDK Batsuit with some armor missing from battles.

 

[Gianakin_]

Personally, I despise the Panther Suit. He looks like Bondage Action Batman, a action figure variant exclusive to sex shops. It's this horrible, shiny rubber monstrosity with the most absurd, overdone fake musculature in the world. Frankly, I'd rather have the TDK suit than Las Vegas Batman.

Fair enough. And I do actually prefer the TDK suit to any of the previous ones.

 

[RustyCage]

I really like the yellow oval. I think it works for an experienced Batman who intimidates through his sheer reputation; seeing that yellow oval in the dark would scare any criminal.

I like the oval too, but I don't really see what's scary about it.

 

[regwec]

Because it's Batman's symbol. Symbols can be intimidating or impressive- think of the effect of revulsion the Swastika has on most sensible people. It's obviously not an analogous example, but you can imagine how a low life would quickly make the equation between the bat symbol and broken bones.

 

[Saint]

Fair enough. And I do actually prefer the TDK suit to any of the previous ones.

As much as I loathe parts of it, in many ways going back to a previous costume would be a huge step backwards, so yes--the TDK suit is, sadly, the best we've got.

 

[RustyCage]

Because it's Batman's symbol. Symbols can be intimidating or impressive- think of the effect of revulsion the Swastika has on most sensible people.

The Swastika doesn't have a colorful yellow oval around it though.

I find a less colorful, more dramatic, and less confined Bat to be far more striking in the regard of being scary. It feels like more of a symbol and less of a brand or logo.

But in terms of when Batman is established sort of professionally and more known, I think the oval does work well for that, as was being said.

 

[Saint]

Because it's Batman's symbol. Symbols can be intimidating or impressive- think of the effect of revulsion the Swastika has on most sensible people. It's obviously not an analogous example, but you can imagine how a low life would quickly make the equation between the bat symbol and broken bones.

Absolutely. Iconography is powerful, and a more visible symbol can have a profound effect. I, personally, prefer the plain bat, but I love the oval, too--and it's always nice to see something different once in a while.

 

[Mr. Earle]

You know what would be quite awesome?

Because of his guilt and feeling that Harvey's death was his fault, Bruce starts to reject help and stuff like that. Because of this, in the first part of the movie, he is shown with a basic cloth Batsuit, which upon closer inspection, is actually the TDK Batsuit with some armor missing from battles.

So he doesnt reject people, just pads.

 

[D.P.]

I always was a fan of the logic where the yellow insignia was designed to get gun weilding criminals to aim for his chest where his body armor is as opposed to his head.

 

[Pumpkin_Bomb]

Yeah, that old chestnut. It's the same reason they give for the big white skull on the Punisher's chest. I get it, but I don't like the yellow on Batman regardless. People tend to aim for the torso anyway, since it's much, much easier than landing a headshot.

 

[Bruce Malone]

^^^

Yes exactly, its sort of redundant to try to get someone to aim for your chest when 9/10 times that's where people aim for anyways. If anything adding a yellow "target" could end up being used a line-up marker to aim for the head directly above.

 

[Savage]

The Swastika doesn't have a colorful yellow oval around it though.

I find a less colorful, more dramatic, and less confined Bat to be far more striking in the regard of being scary. It feels like more of a symbol and less of a brand or logo.

But in terms of when Batman is established sort of professionally and more known, I think the oval does work well for that, as was being said.

The swastika actually has a bright white circle behind it. As much as I love the plain black Bat, it serves no purpose visually. It can't be seen. Even against gray you have to see Batman in plain view to see it. Superman has an icon you can see. As does The Flash and Green Lantern and a host of others. It helps to actually see the symbol and with the way the movies have been going, that logo might as well not even be there.

I'd honestly love to see the yellow oval as the final part of the character's evolution. Against all the black, bam, yellow (or gold) with the bat.