The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[DaveMoral]

I love his lines there, but the coloring leaves a lot to be desired. I imagine they bring in someone else to do that stuff though.

Well, in his day the coloring in comics sucked for the most part. Imagine if he had an inker and colorist doing today's standards? I think the original prints of Batman Year One look like crap, but the recent hardcover edition of the GN with new colors? Great. Any time Batman is smashing dudes with light blue cape and cowl I cringe. I could see Breyfogle, Aparo, etc all greatly improved with darker coloring and more detailed shading and what not.

 

[RustyCage]

Well, in his day the coloring in comics sucked for the most part. Imagine if he had an inker and colorist doing today's standards? I think the original prints of Batman Year One look like crap, but the recent hardcover edition of the GN with new colors? Great. Any time Batman is smashing dudes with light blue cape and cowl I cringe. I could see Breyfogle, Aparo, etc all greatly improved with darker coloring and more detailed shading and what not.

I've not been able to find a hardcover, that would have rocked! Show me the difference??

 

[RustyCage]

Well, I'm not surprised that a book that was coloured for newsprint looks better on newsprint. Paper stock is one of the many considerations that goes in to colouring for print, and switching the paper can create unexpected results.

Very fair point! New books tend to look great, yeah.

I wish they would be more careful with colors on older comics though.. I could get over the glare if things like blood were red like they were meant to be, rather than a neon maroon that reminds me of Two-Face from Batman Forever.

 

[The Red Hood]

As explained before, flexibility and lack of ANY restriction of movement whatsoever. Spandex provides that. And again, I dont see and never thought of Batman as wearing circus thighs. I guess its a matter of perception, but if he really does, then that only speaks for the functionality of that costume - just like the circus performers, his moves are completely uncompromised. Batman in comics moves very much like Spiderman (especially in Breyfogle's illustrations, the guys just like Spidey!), and just like him, he can be hurt but doesnt wear any protection because he relies on his physical movement and durability so it cant be compromised in any way

Its actually the movie suit that doesnt make sense when it comes to functionality. It weights a lot and slows down movement, not to mention that it greatly reduces the ability to move. And also, with a thick head mask, it dimms down the perception and hearing as well. The fact that the mask sticks out from the face also restraints eyesight. But so what? It looks stunning and fits the movie look and feel

Spandex allows very flexible and aerobic movements, impossible with body suit

I think they would with proper treatment. Dead End suit was ok, a big budget movie's top designer would make it look great and Adam West didnt look that awful either. And again, Im not saying Batman should wear the spandex suit in the movies, we already got used to the black armor approach and it works PERFECTly for the movies. All Im doing is simply defending Batman in general who came under fire in this thread as having "silly" costume overall in the comics which to me is outrageous

You make some valid points, and as I said in my original post, I'd flip out if the tights were used on screen, ESPECIALLY if they were used to make The Batman's movements in any way like those drawn by Norm Breyfogle. The page you posted is one of his favorites, as he mentions on his forums, and I love his art. I grew up reading during the Grant/Breyfogle era...one of the big reasons I want to sock Dan Didio in the jaw is because he won't reprint any of their run, or give either of those guys work.

I'd love to see Norm come back and get a regular series. Imagine if it was Morrison and Breyfogle on Batman Inc? Would be truly classic...

 

[socool]

The pictures you're posting are gorgeous guys. But what makes you guys think Nolan will deliver a more comic-accurate costume this time? I think we're just gonna get a slightly altered TDK suit.

 

[epc11223]

They've got a pretty killer Batman design in Young Justice; it's got enough going on that it looks like armour, but it still looks like Batman (sort of like the Arkham Asylum suit, but without the terrible gauntlets and steroid Batman).

I think if they built a suit like this using the approach of the Tron suits (which is a lot like the TDk suit; a mesh undersuit with a tougher looking material on top), that would be pretty ideal. The medium length gloves are really neat, too.

where'd you get that? that's pretty awesome! do by any chance have superman in that character model?

 

[epc11223]

nm, did a search through google and found it, but didn't know about it until now, so thank you!

 

[Mako]

where'd you get that? that's pretty awesome! do by any chance have superman in that character model?

Here ya go

 

[epc11223]

thanks! they should use that concept for a superman cartoon and also the new movie lol. something so simple yet i think looks really good lol. s not too big, not too small, good cape length. neckline high but not too high. lol

 

[RustyCage]

thanks! they should use that concept for a superman cartoon and also the new movie lol. something so simple yet i think looks really good lol. s not too big, not too small, good cape length. neckline high but not too high. lol

Watch Young Justice.

 

[GothamAlleys]

The pictures you're posting are gorgeous guys. But what makes you guys think Nolan will deliver a more comic-accurate costume this time? I think we're just gonna get a slightly altered TDK suit.

Well, as much as I love the comic book suit, I dont want him to deliver a more accurate suit. Its been done before by the TV show and pretty much but Burton's movies, I think now its really cool to see something different, see something new, like we did with the TDK suit. And I really like the TDK suit and want it to stay in TDKR

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

New movie equals new Batsuit. After Batman gets his back broken, he has a new "militarized" heavy armor outfit. I guarantee it. We have action figures to sell damn it!!!

 

[Knight Rise]

New movie equals new Batsuit. After Batman gets his back broken, he has a new "militarized" heavy armor outfit. I guarantee it. We have action figures to sell damn it!!!

Something like the Hulkbuster suit that Iron Man has?

 

[Colonel Kurtz]

Something like the Hulkbuster suit that Iron Man has?

If I'm not mistaken, they did exactly that on "The Batman" when he fought Bane.

 

[Lencho01]

If I'm not mistaken, they did exactly that on "The Batman" when he fought Bane.

Yep. Here's an AMV of it...

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[Bruce Malone]

As explained before, flexibility and lack of ANY restriction of movement whatsoever. Spandex provides that. And again, I dont see and never thought of Batman as wearing circus thighs. I guess its a matter of perception, but if he really does, then that only speaks for the functionality of that costume - just like the circus performers, his moves are completely uncompromised. Batman in comics moves very much like Spiderman (especially in Breyfogle's illustrations, the guys just like Spidey!), and just like him, he can be hurt but doesnt wear any protection because he relies on his physical movement and durability so it cant be compromised in any way

Its actually the movie suit that doesnt make sense when it comes to functionality. It weights a lot and slows down movement, not to mention that it greatly reduces the ability to move. And also, with a thick head mask, it dimms down the perception and hearing as well. The fact that the mask sticks out from the face also restraints eyesight. But so what? It looks stunning and fits the movie look and feel

Spandex allows very flexible and aerobic movements, impossible with body suit

I think they would with proper treatment. Dead End suit was ok, a big budget movie's top designer would make it look great and Adam West didnt look that awful either. And again, Im not saying Batman should wear the spandex suit in the movies, we already got used to the black armor approach and it works PERFECTly for the movies. All Im doing is simply defending Batman in general who came under fire in this thread as having "silly" costume overall in the comics which to me is outrageous

I've brought this up a few times already before but when it comes to flexibility the TDK suit is supposed to be an improvement over the begins suit. The movie makes it clear that the new suit trades in protection for mobility ala the tights arguments some of you are making. I'm pretty sure its the only batman film to actually bring up the idea of batman's mobility being vital.

Which is why i do hold the TDK suit in high regard to being functionally more comic accurate than the previous batman suits. Which were pretty much depicted as heavy un-flexible outfits i.e. the batman shoulder turns.

 

[skiddyboy]

 

[skiddyboy]

Ignore the smudges, I'm rubbish at paint...was trying to go for the textured look...hopefully you can see what I was trying to aim for.

As far as I'm concerned there are parts of the body that need protection from armoured plates, there are other parts that could be protected by a kevlar/chainmail type material.

I think that the actual cowl concept from TDK was spot on, but the Cloak/cape needs to be attached to the neck piece (the way I envision it is that the cloak has a balaclava type of head piece with goes on before the actual cowl), that way we would get the cowl/cloak we all remember, but he also has the protection of an armoured headpiece.

I also prefer the scowl/grimmace on this cowl as it makes Batman look like a hardass.

Any constructive comments are welcomed.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The black and white areas make him look like Donna Troy, other than that, very good

 

[skiddyboy]

Cheers for that, was trying to make it look like chainmail...but needs someone with more skill that met:

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

Did you try teh puzzley chainmail?

 

[skiddyboy]

Like I said, I'm crap...feel free to try it out and post up the results

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

I'm on an old computer with no photoshop . Until I get a new one I'm afraid there can be no manips from me.I'm sure someone else will be more than glad to help you out.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I've brought this up a few times already before but when it comes to flexibility the TDK suit is supposed to be an improvement over the begins suit. The movie makes it clear that the new suit trades in protection for mobility ala the tights arguments some of you are making. I'm pretty sure its the only batman film to actually bring up the idea of batman's mobility being vital.

Which is why i do hold the TDK suit in high regard to being functionally more comic accurate than the previous batman suits. Which were pretty much depicted as heavy un-flexible outfits i.e. the batman shoulder turns.

Yes clearly beating 4 of Ras' ninjas and then Ras himself means that the Begins suit is too heavy. Those damn thugs proved the problem.

Look, i dont care what pitiful rationalizations Nolan uses to support the suit change, but the TDK suit looks atrocious to me. I assume that the Begins suit didnt allow him to film his fight scenes as well as he could (meaning barely better than what we got in BB) but i'd rather have the Begins suit than this piece of crap. Looks and actual mobility. Is it too much to ask for both?

 

[TheBatman072]

Yes clearly beating 4 of Ras' ninjas and then Ras himself means that the Begins suit is too heavy. Those damn thugs proved the problem.

Look, i dont care what pitiful rationalizations Nolan uses to support the suit change, but the TDK suit looks atrocious to me. I assume that the Begins suit didnt allow him to film his fight scenes as well as he could (meaning barely better than what we got in BB) but i'd rather have the Begins suit than this piece of crap. Looks and actual mobility. Is it too much to ask for both?