The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[BatScot]

And I don't have a problem with the BB-suit in motion either. He was able to run, grab people, jump down from high places, crouch down to talk, etc.

The only thing that needed improvement to the BB-suit, would be the neck area, and the shoulder areas....that's it. Oh, and maybe the clasps, even though I never minded them, I just know a lot of people did.

Agreed, with maybe some jawline cowl tweaks added in. I was no particular fan on the Begins suit, but even at that I was of the opinion it was the best rubber-suit to date (though aesthetically I am drawn more to the Returns suit). SO if that's what we're stuck with then in comparison to the TDK suit the Begins suit is superior in both appearance and technology*.

* as given within the film narrative

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I think that, like with the Iron Man helmet, the bat-mask in this series has gotten a distinct characteristic on its own and I don't want that to significantly change. But there is room for change, like the cowl (bigger) and probably a little tweak around the mouth (wider). But the looks should stay the same. Coloring is another factor, I'd love for it to go back to the mat black in Batman Begins. I hated the way the neck looked in TDK, some of the shots were terrible, but others weren't and he actually looked like he could move his head, which is great visually. Looking back, I think I was more emotionally attached to BATMAN with the TDK mask on. But maybe it was just the way the scenes worked out. In Begins the emotions weren't as high as they were in TDK.

I'm going to favour the retractable whitened-lens thing. It was very crude in TDK so a little customisation in TDKR, which would make it more intimidating, is welcome. If it's retractable we get the best of both worlds (white intimidating eyes, emotionally human open-eyes). But it shouldn't be so much like a damned pair o' goggles that actually bubble outward. No, keep it inside the eye-hole, make it scary.

If it were me, I'd go CGI on that *****. I love how Spawn looked in that otherwise crap-fest of a movie.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Okay imagine this - Bale's growly Batman. But instead of smiling like a dolt, he's actually laughing his gut out like a demon from hell. Straight from the dementia of Frank Miller. Eh? Eh? Come on! If they made a live-action All-Star Batman & Robin you KNOW that Bale is the best man for the job!

"That's right punk, I'm taking you to class. Chemistry 101!"

TDK got the idea right; retractable lenses have always been the answer. The execution was just off.

Agreed. If they continue with it, the execution can be better this time around.

I think that the "V For Vendetta" approach would work better for Jean Paul Valley's Batman (such as in a Knightfall movie) than Bruce Wayne. Otherwise let us see his eyes.

Bane.

The Begins cowl does indeed, but they could take this one and add more anger to its sculpted facial expression.

YES. Just a little more, make it more intimidating. It's possible. Very.

 

[the dmg]

While I wouldn't recommend the white lenses now, since they'd be such a drastic change, I do think we're forgetting that it is possible to give great performances when the actor's entire FACE is obscured. V For Vendetta being a prime example.

What I would like to see in the future though, if they do the white lenses, is, instead of covering the entire eye opening in the mask like they did with the sonar lenses in TDK, have the lenses be white contacts essentially. Then that still keeps some emotion, as we can see the eyes narrow/widen etc. You could easily use some pseudo-science to explain how they're extremely advanced lenses with multiple protective properties/night-vision/thermals etc.

TDK got the idea right; retractable lenses have always been the answer. The execution was just off.

They could always be clear lenses, but more in the way it looks in DD and not so round/big like in TDK. But yeah, I definitely think retractable works.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Y'know we're always talking about V whenever we're saying "great acting sans face". It's great and I agree Hugo Weaving's has become a quintessential performance in this regard.

But aren't we forgetting the other, more popular figure, who's done the same thing? Darth Vader?

 

[antsman41]

Y'know we're always talking about V whenever we're saying "great acting sans face". It's great and I agree Hugo Weaving's has become a quintessential performance in this regard.

But aren't we forgetting the other, more popular figure, who's done the same thing? Darth Vader?

eh, Vader doesn't count per-say because the man in the suit barely had to act outside of being "the drums" (pacing/line timing) to the other actors. Hell, the cast almost couldn't stay straight on set because he spoke in an outrageous accent.

Weaving actually had to "act" through the mask with everything he had. Only minor ADR was added...

 

[Lencho01]

Well, alright. The Green Lantern kinda looks like a blind guy.

A little bit, but I think it looks fine.

Have there been comics where they had the white eyes actually be some type of lenses rather than just your standard look they give masked characters?

 

[Lencho01]

Okay imagine this - Bale's growly Batman. But instead of smiling like a dolt, he's actually laughing his gut out like a demon from hell. Straight from the dementia of Frank Miller. Eh? Eh? Come on! If they made a live-action All-Star Batman & Robin you KNOW that Bale is the best man for the job!

"That's right punk, I'm taking you to class. Chemistry 101!"

 

[Mr. Earle]

I think there's a ton of scenes where he looks great in.

Like i said there are many shots that it looks great in but there are others where its flaws are really obvious.
- "Can you drive stick?"
- Every shot of it in TDK.
- etc.

I also dont like how the cape in both suits isnt one with the cowl, or at least from the same material. That could be solved with a suit made from high tech cloth and some CGI to erase the seam between cape and cowl.

On another note the retractable lenses could be a cool asset to scare criminals but that would require that Batman actually looks somewhat scary instead of an armoured dude. They really need to bring back the whole creature of the night thing, both in appearence and theatrics.

 

[Texas Zombie]

because anything was better than Batman and Robin

exactly, some of the action sequences were done well in daredevil as well, I think the bar scene is excellent(except when he latches on to the fan, wow, bs).

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I liked how in DD he's sitting on top of that damned ceiling fan, and the thug goes "what do you want?"

DD, in a shot that's true from the comics, whispers "Justice".

I think I'm among the few who actually liked the DD movie. Some of the shots felt like they were directly picked up from the comics. That gargoyle shot was awesome.

Anyway, back to Bats. Something needs to be done about the logo on his chest.

 

[Gianakin_]

I love DD, Director's Cut.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I liked it too. It was a pretty solid movie and i really liked how it ended. "Go get them Matt!"

 

[EliteF50]

Something needs to be done about the logo on his chest.

Agreed. It was hardly visible in TDK.

 

[Marx]

They need to put the black Begins logo on the TDKR suit.

 

[Milu]

I liked it too. It was a pretty solid movie and i really liked how it ended. "Go get them Matt!"

Same here. There were a few moments I didn't care much for, but other than that, it was quite enjoyable. And I friggin' loved MCD's Kingpin.

 

[the dmg]

They need to put the black Begins logo on the TDKR suit.

The logo on the Begins suit never made sense. They fixed that problem in TDK, but instead made it way too small.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I liked how in DD he's sitting on top of that damned ceiling fan, and the thug goes "what do you want?"

DD, in a shot that's true from the comics, whispers "Justice".

I think I'm among the few who actually liked the DD movie. Some of the shots felt like they were directly picked up from the comics. That gargoyle shot was awesome.

You're not alone. I liked that movie, and I really don't get why everyone hates it.

 

[Knightfall]

My ideal suit is something bulky like BB..but not as fatty looking.. i would like a menacing cowl..something a bit like Burtons first batman..i just don't want the suit so slim again or the nose humungous and i don't want bale to look like porky pig again ala BB. And i would like something a little more advanced..like more batman looking, now that wayne has had more time to get things going and probably a little more down time, this should be feasible.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

I ain't alone in some DD-love cool.

I think on some level everyone wants the suit to evolve closer to the ones from Burton. At least cowl-wise. But that's not happening, apparently (or according to Zimmer, as it said on someone's signature, quite truly I might add). If they had stuck with the Begins suit it would've had a distinctive, Nolan-identified legacy, but he chose to evolve it. I like how the Begins suit has mass and how the TDK contrasts with that (even the vehicle does that - the Tumbler is massive, the Pod is light), what else can be done?

They should use the official Chris Nolan logo (I actually have a home-made wooden lamp-shade of that thing in my room, it's a blue light and it's friggin awesome!) for the suit. But yes, make it larger and not all broken-up in places.

 

[Alex_Spider]

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[Gianakin_]

I think on some level everyone wants the suit to evolve closer to the ones from Burton. At least cowl-wise. But that's not happening, apparently (or according to Zimmer, as it said on someone's signature, quite truly I might add).

That'd be my sig.t:
These movies won't get closer to Burton's (thank Lucas), they're their own animal.

 

[Brother Jack]

That'd be my sig.t:
These movies won't get closer to Burton's (thank Lucas), they're their own animal.

George Lucas had nothing to do this any of this. Thank God.

 

[Gianakin_]

George Lucas had nothing to do this any of this. Thank God.

Hey, you don't see me go around insulting people's beliefs!

 

[Nave 'Torment']

That'd be my sig.t:
These movies won't get closer to Burton's (thank Lucas), they're their own animal.

Hey, you don't see me go around insulting people's beliefs!

Heh. Speaking of, the reason I kept bringing up Darth is because I was watching episode V earlier in the week. I still think that a visually imposing look like that is a good idea to be inspired by for any movie trying to tackle larger-than-life masked costumes.