The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[ChickenScratch]

Well for me, they make sense from a protection/weapon standpoint. I guess some people don't find them aesthetically pleasing or too bulky.
When I look at an MMA fighter or martial artist, they wear protective gloves and shin guards. When you punch someone in the face or deliver a kick, you take a fraction of that damage as well. Your hands can take a beating, hence the protection to absorb that damage.
In Batman's case, I feel like he would need that added protection when he's in an alley beating up 10+ goons because it takes a toll. The extra added armor could also work as a weapon in conjunction with his guantlets to inflict more pain on criminals. Think of brass knuckles.
Not really advocating that Nolan Batman beefs up his guantlets/boots anymore than what they are, but AA Batman's look and gear makes a lot of sense to me.

Sure the hands and whole body for that matter takes a beating. But the real damage to hands happen when people in a fight punch with an improperly formed fist. You would be surprised how many people who think themselves fighters can't make a fist correctly ... and as in all things bad form leads to injury. There's a whole lot of intricacy in a properly formed fist that supports all the small bones in the right way and is has enough give to absorb some of the blow. I've been fighting bare knuckle since I was a teen (as we all do in Kyokushin Karate) and only broke a finger once, and my hands are my life, I'm a guitarist.

The long and short of it is, Batman, a superbly trained martial artist would armor his whole body, but his knowledge of form and mechanics would also be a huge part of his protection (as it already is since he's not wearing IM armor). He's not a boxer who trains every day in pad gloves, then punches a guy bare knuckled on the street and shatters his hand. Strong arms, shoulders, good form, but training is such a way ingrains things like a slightly more open fist because the hand expects the padding in the palms so doesn't tighten as much on the leading side of the fist, or the fist/wrist alignment is all wrong because they are not wearing hand-wraps.

 

[BatScot]

I don't know why everyone likes that suit so much--if the suit is going to be so much like the TDK suit, then you might as well use the TDK torso anyway, since it looks better than the BB torso does in that manip. Furthermore, that big BB torso plate is just as overdesigned and mechanical as the TDK torso, so no improvement has been made, and the added flexibility of the TDK body has been sacrificed.

As similar as it is, it's still better. When I first saw that manip I didn't think of it as the third suit but rather as the second suit as if the TDK suit never existed, that the Begins suit evolved directly into something like Bane's suit. It's not perfect and I would have preferred they had simply tweaked the Begins suit rather than reboot the thing but as a 'corrective effort' Bane has made an improvement, even if only a slight one.

 

[papie]

I was referring to the gauntlets, not the gloves. I'm guessing you meant the latter. I wouldnt mind knuckle protection but i dont think its necessary. At the end of the day i think you re being way too interested in real life logic and practicality when it comes to a comic book character. I could make thousands of arguements about the impracticality of the cape, exposing your chin, not wearing a gas mask, and so on.

Its Batman, he should look cool first and practical second.

I don't know. I must have less affection for classical comic book characters because I think unrealistic = silly. I need to have that suspension of disbelief and I agree that gloves aren't important but a cloth suit is the other end of the spectrum.
Obviously you raise good points: Batman should protect his chin, lose the cape and wear a gas mask. But mainly it is that I shouldn't notice the impracticality. I should me immersed by the things that are realistic, not be sucked out by the things that aren't.

With the prime example: Green Lantern. I liked everything in the trailer (the mask looked silly but that's a technical issue) but when he 'summoned' a Gatling gun I clicked the little cross in the upper right.

 

[cin0]

I want to see something unique not a copy of something from the comicbooks or Keaton's look.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I don't know. I must have less affection for classical comic book characters because I think unrealistic = silly. I need to have that suspension of disbelief and I agree that gloves aren't important but a cloth suit is the other end of the spectrum.

I didnt suggest a cloth suit, at least not a spandex one. We were talking about the AA suit which is obviously armoured without making batman look like a jigsaw puzzle. Its much more subtle in that.

Obviously you raise good points: Batman should protect his chin, lose the cape and wear a gas mask. But mainly it is that I shouldn't notice the impracticality. I should me immersed by the things that are realistic, not be sucked out by the things that aren't.

With the prime example: Green Lantern. I liked everything in the trailer (the mask looked silly but that's a technical issue) but when he 'summoned' a Gatling gun I clicked the little cross in the upper right.

Its fantasy. His ring is a highly advanced gadget that creates anything he wills it to. I guess you dont like things that far fetched and that's absolutely fine.

Still, you have to aknowledge that even Nolan's Batman is not realistic. Maybe he doesnt have a power ring but this isnt real life either.

 

[EliteF50]

The only thing I don't like about the AA Batman is his face. I sometimes mentally remove the cowl to imagine what Bruce Wayne looks like underneath and I start to giggle. Looks like Ron Perlman.

I completely disagree. He looks like a real manly man. His chin reminds me of:

http://www.**************.com/images/uploads/jonhm.jpg

 

[Nave 'Torment']

It's a shame it's with Bob Kane, and not Bill Finger, the real genius behind Batman.

True

But hey, good to see Kane as well right?

Btw, is it purely coincidence that Bob Kane passed away around the same time that Batman & Robin was released? I know we shouldn't make fun of the deceased but...

Agreed.

It's also the best Batsuit used in a Hollywood movie.

YES! Well, at least thus far.

Yeah, Kane really gave him the finger on this one.

t:

Though it was Kane's idea. I just don't understand why we can't agree that it was a collaboration? It was you know. And... this has to be an awesome rendition of Kane's original proposal right-click, saved.

It's also more Robin than Batman.

finger may be getting screwed out of credit, but that doesnt dis-credit kane's role, which was integral to batman existing.

There you go.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Btw, how would we respond to Michael Keaton playing Ra's Al Ghul/Henri Ducard in Batman Begins? Just wondering, seeing as how the actors do make the character.

 

[EliteF50]

Btw, how would we respond to Michael Keaton playing Ra's Al Ghul/Henri Ducard in Batman Begins? Just wondering, seeing as how the actors do make the character.

Michael Keaton is an amazing actor, but he'd be wrong for that role.

However, Keaton as Commissioner Gordon? AWESOME.

 

[The Joker]

True

But hey, good to see Kane as well right?

Ehhh not really. I've got no respect for Kane and what he did regarding Bill Finger.

Stan Lee, and how he shares the glory with Steve Ditko over Spider-Man, now there's a guy I have nothing but respect for.

 

[Paste Pot Pete]

I completely disagree. He looks like a real manly man. His chin reminds me of:

It's not the chin, it's the length of the face, and the Alex Ross-ish middle aged look.

Just not my bag.

I don't like juiced-up Gordon, either. Or Bane, good god. Or Titan Joker.

Wow, totally derailed. Sorry. Love, love, love the game, though.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

Michael Keaton is an amazing actor, but he'd be wrong for that role.

However, Keaton as Commissioner Gordon? AWESOME.

Hmm, interesting suggestion. But I meant that as, the 'older Batman' passing on to the 'next Batman' on a level beyond the story that is. I dunno, just wondering/wandering I guess. Some of the ultimatums that Ra's tell Bruce in BB reminds me a lot of how the old Batman worked. To a certain extent of course. Am I too crazy?

Ehhh not really. I've got no respect for Kane and what he did regarding Bill Finger.

Stan Lee, and how he shares the glory with Steve Ditko over Spider-Man, now there's a guy I have nothing but respect for.

Fair enough Stan's a lot more likable anyway. Though I did hear about him being guilty of some of the same crimes, I can't recall anything specific right now so ... eh just forget it.

The best duo has always been Jerry and Joe Now that's team work and co-op.

 

[EliteF50]

It's not the chin, it's the length of the face, and the Alex Ross-ish middle aged look.

Just not my bag.

I don't like juiced-up Gordon, either. Or Bane, good god. Or Titan Joker.

Wow, totally derailed. Sorry. Love, love, love the game, though.

I can see what you're getting at, but I loved his face (no homo) and Gordon. Bane, I didn't mind, but Titan Joker wasn't cool. Overall though, the game was amazing.

Aaaanywho...

Do you guys think Nolan will just change the suit (like they did in Batman Returns), or will he implement the suit change into the story?

 

[papie]

I didnt suggest a cloth suit, at least not a spandex one. We were talking about the AA suit which is obviously armoured without making batman look like a jigsaw puzzle. Its much more subtle in that. Its fantasy. His ring is a highly advanced gadget that creates anything he wills it to. I guess you dont like things that far fetched and that's absolutely fine.

Still, you have to aknowledge that even Nolan's Batman is not realistic. Maybe he doesnt have a power ring but this isnt real life either.

No, Nolan is far from realistic in his view of Batman. But I am immersed to a level that compares to stuff that's 100% plausible.

Gatling gun is just silly. If his ring makes everything he wants why not exploit this fact to a pragmatic extent. Just imagine a handful of bullets penetrating his skull, you don't need to have the gun. Practically you could imagine handcuffs around every bad-guys wrists.
It's like the ray-gun in Transformers 2 and something that happens in other movies too. They only use it once but in the rest of that movie they act like it doesn't exist.
Even when Nolan does stuff like this, it irks me.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I was referring to the gauntlets, not the gloves. I'm guessing you meant the latter. I wouldnt mind knuckle protection but i dont think its necessary. At the end of the day i think you re being way too interested in real life logic and practicality when it comes to a comic book character. I could make thousands of arguements about the impracticality of the cape, exposing your chin, not wearing a gas mask, and so on.

Its Batman, he should look cool first and practical second.

Personally, I think something can look cool AND be practical at the same time. Some things may be cool because of practically, not in spite of it.
Take fight scenes for example: Hyper-stylized fight scenes with a bunch of ******** showing off are a lot less impressive to me than fight scenes like those in the Nolan Batman films. Why? Because the hero doesn't **** around and gets the job done. That's a lot more impressive than a flip kick ever will be.

 

[Mr. Earle]

OK, screw Transformers, that movie was ******ed, but why is GL's gatling gun silly?
He does exploit the ring's capabilities, creating constructs to fit his needs. He used forcefields, springs to lift the truck and i'm sure there will be tons of other constructs as well.

I think you re splitting hairs. Its fantasy, why does it have to make total sense? Why do you buy into Nolan's pseudo realism (which is completely bogus btw) and not the laws of some other franchise? In GL there is a corps of space cops with high tech rings that make constructs. How is that any more ridiculous than a movie about a dude dressed as a bat driving his tank on your roof?

 

[papie]

OK, screw Transformers, that movie was ******ed, but why is GL's gatling gun silly?
He does exploit the ring's capabilities, creating constructs to fit his needs. He used forcefields, springs to lift the truck and i'm sure there will be tons of other constructs as well.

I think you re splitting hairs. Its fantasy, why does it have to make total sense? Why do you buy into Nolan's pseudo realism (which is completely bogus btw) and not the laws of some other franchise? In GL there is a corps of space cops with high tech rings that make constructs. How is that any more ridiculous than a movie about a dude dressed as a bat driving his tank on your roof?

I'm going to go ahead and give in and say that my 'line in the sand' about what's silly and what's not totally subjective.

But, I can't watch a movie which doesn't adhere to the rules it sets out for itself.
If you can imagine a gun that shoots bullets then you can imagine a force-field around that person or just imagine an object inside its brain.
It irks me to watch people that appear to be so stupid that they cannot figure out the basic implications of the rules of that universe.

It does not have to make total sense, it does have to adhere to its own rules.

 

[Godzilla2014]

I'm going to go ahead and give in and say that my 'line in the sand' about what's silly and what's not totally subjective.

But, I can't watch a movie which doesn't adhere to the rules it sets out for itself.
If you can imagine a gun that shoots bullets then you can imagine a force-field around that person or just imagine an object inside its brain.
It irks me to watch people that appear to be so stupid that they cannot figure out the basic implications of the rules of that universe.

It does not have to make total sense, it does have to adhere to its own rules.

The last time I checked, there were never rules about Green Lanterns doing that. It's been a case of Misapplied Phlebotinum for 70 years.

 

[papie]

The last time I checked, there were never rules about Green Lanterns doing that. It's been a case of Misapplied Phlebotinum for 70 years.

And how is this not ridiculous?

I can see how this, in an obscure yet scientific way, is also true for superman and Batman Begins (Microwave thing) but it doesn't seem tht obvious to me that in the first second of seeing the ring in action (gatling gun) I begin to annoy myself with factual implications.

This also ruined Harry Potter for me after I figured out that for every suspenseful scene there was a magic spell mentioned in another book (or earlier in the same book) that would have made it a simple task.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I'm going to go ahead and give in and say that my 'line in the sand' about what's silly and what's not totally subjective.

But, I can't watch a movie which doesn't adhere to the rules it sets out for itself.
If you can imagine a gun that shoots bullets then you can imagine a force-field around that person or just imagine an object inside its brain.
It irks me to watch people that appear to be so stupid that they cannot figure out the basic implications of the rules of that universe.

It does not have to make total sense, it does have to adhere to its own rules.

I dont know if that's possible but even if it was i doubt Hal would run around headshotting people like that.

And seriously Papie and Godzilla, if you re so focused on practicallity, why how can you watch Batman and not go "but why doesnt he use darts with sedative, knock out gas, or tazers? He doesnt even need to fight."

And dont get me started on the microwave emitter, flying tank, the impracticality of wearing a cape, exposing your famous chin, etc. You have double standards.

 

[craigdbfan]

If we were all so bent up on total realism then when Bats ziplines himself and Lau into that plane they would have both suffered from broken ligaments, possibly breaking one of their necks causing total mid air carnage for both of them.

Yet it didn't happen. My stance is that even Nolans so called pseudo realism still relishes in the land of fantasy.

As for GL, Zilla and Papie are really picking split ends here.

 

[Godzilla2014]

And how is this not ridiculous?

I can see how this, in an obscure yet scientific way, is also true for superman and Batman Begins (Microwave thing) but it doesn't seem obvious to me in the first second I see the Phlebotinum.

What do you mean? I was saying that, to my knowledge there has never been anything that would stop a Green Lantern from conjuring an M134 minigun. If I recall correctly, the only limit to what a Green Lantern can conjure is the power of the ring and his or her imagination. There is no reason that a GL couldn't conjure objects inside enemies' heads or mow them down with an M134.

 

[Mr. Earle]

If we were all so bent up on total realism then when Bats ziplines himself and Lau into that plane they would have both suffered from broken ligaments, possibly breaking one of their necks causing total mid air carnage for both of them.

The skyhook is actually real.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery_system

I guess the line is flexible like a bungee rope or something like that.

Same thing for batman's rope. I remember in Batgirl Year One Batman cut her rope while she was falling (Robin caught her in mid air so no worries) because she used a simple one and it would rip her arms off. Robin later provides her with proper equipment.

As for GL, Zilla and Papie are really picking split ends here.

I think so too.

 

[papie]

The point is that I cannot watch the Green Lantern trailer and not be annoyed by the silliness of it all. The same applies to some interpretations of Batman.

If you are not annoyed, that is a amiable fact. I would like to be like you. I also hate myself for the fact that I can point out how The Lord of the Rings is made. It ruins a lot of the movie.


Oh, and sky-hook actually worked in real life.

 

[craigdbfan]

The skyhook is actually real.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fulton_surface-to-air_recovery_system

I guess the line is flexible like a bungee rope or something like that.

Same thing for batman's rope. I remember in Batgirl Year One Batman cut her rope while she was falling (Robin caught her in mid air so no worries) because she used a simple one and it would rip her arms off. Robin later provides her with proper equipment.
I think so too.

Knew about a skyhook device existing but I'm more so speaking in regards to the speed/time he ziplines back into the plane.

One individual as similar to "a kick in the pants," the person rose vertically at a slow rate to about 100 feet, then began to streamline behind the aircraft. Extension of arms and legs prevented spinning, as the individual was winched on board. The process took about six minutes.

TDK breaks every one of those precautions for safety. Batman and Lau are spinning like a dreidel and the time it takes is much quicker than six minutes and at a much faster rate.

So while using a real application it was displayed fantastically/unrealistically.

Still doesn't detract from the awesomeness though.