The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Mr. Earle]

The point is that I cannot watch the Green Lantern trailer and not be annoyed by the silliness of it all. The same applies to some interpretations of Batman.

If you are not annoyed, that is a amiable fact. I would like to be like you. I also hate myself for the fact that I can point out how The Lord of the Rings is made. It ruins a lot of the movie.


Oh, and sky-hook actually worked in real life.

I guess there's a threshold for everyone. My parents cant even watch Nolan's Batman without rolling their eyes despite how "realistically" he might be adapted.

 

[ChickenScratch]

Knew about a skyhook device existing but I'm more so speaking in regards to the speed/time he ziplines back into the plane.
TDK breaks every one of those precautions for safety. Batman and Lau are spinning like a dreidel and the time it takes is much quicker than six minutes and at a much faster rate.
So while using a real application it was displayed fantastically/unrealistically.
Still doesn't detract from the awesomeness though.

Or maybe that''s how fast skyhook works? I've never seen it in real life, few of us have, but it was about the same in Thunderball.

 

[craigdbfan]

Or maybe thats not how it works, you're using TDK and Thunderball which are both fictional movies over the words of the CIA? Did you not read the description that comes straight from the mouth of a paramilitary officer Special Activities Division.

Again none of these precautions were followed and this is coming from people involved in its development.

One individual as similar to "a kick in the pants," the person rose vertically at a slow rate to about 100 feet, then began to streamline behind the aircraft. Extension of arms and legs prevented spinning, as the individual was winched on board. The process took about six minutes.

None of that happened in TDK we got a fantastical version of that scenario.

 

[ChickenScratch]

So you wanted a 6 minute extended scene of them dangling behind a plane for the sake of realisim in TDK. We know what skyhook is and we know it works, it's that simple, they put it in the movie. Just like how we accept that rubber is armor because they say it is. They said skyhook so fine.

 

[craigdbfan]

No, I never once said I wanted any of that. You're completely putting words into my mouth.

Go check out the past page. Thats what happens when you jump into a conversation with zero context.

Quite the contrary, I was making the opposite point in Nolans defense of his much attacked use of realism. All I wrote was that he used real concepts but very much dwelled in the fantasy realm which is perfectly fine for a Batman movie.

 

[Nave 'Torment']

For me, one of the key elements of Nolan's Batman films is that he does respect the different eras associated with the character. Unlike Burton's, who opted to focus primarily on the Golden Age. In this regard, the way I view the hyper-realistic gadgetry and the rest is a firm interpretation of Batman's somewhat fantastic array of gadgets from the Silver Age. I guess it helps that concepts like the Sky Hook came from the 50s, as well as that periscope he uses in Begins.

 

[JAK®]

With the prime example: Green Lantern. I liked everything in the trailer (the mask looked silly but that's a technical issue) but when he 'summoned' a Gatling gun I clicked the little cross in the upper right.

You're in the wrong genre, pal.

 

[KRIM]

For me, one of the key elements of Nolan's Batman films is that he does respect the different eras associated with the character. Unlike Burton's, who opted to focus primarily on the Golden Age.

It's a double-edged sword, I think. You can either respect all of them or exclude one or some and end up disrespecting them in the process. As an example, I really doubt Nolan, Burton, or even most modern Batfans really "respect" Batman's turn in the Silver Age. In fact, I think most would rather forget it ever happened.

 

[JAK®]

The Silver Age deserves more respect. People need to realise that comic books really were written for 10-12 year olds back then. (In my opinion, mainstream comic books need to go back to that mentality)

 

[KalMart]

Knew about a skyhook device existing but I'm more so speaking in regards to the speed/time he ziplines back into the plane.



TDK breaks every one of those precautions for safety. Batman and Lau are spinning like a dreidel and the time it takes is much quicker than six minutes and at a much faster rate.

So while using a real application it was displayed fantastically/unrealistically.

Still doesn't detract from the awesomeness though.

Not to mention that it would require a much larger 'wing' area for him to glide the way he does. That's why hang-gliders are the size they are. Even those 'wingsuit' skydiver suits require some pretty high velocities to do their thing, I believe.

 

[RoughNTumble]

The Silver Age deserves more respect. People need to realise that comic books really were written for 10-12 year olds back then. (In my opinion, mainstream comic books need to go back to that mentality)

johns and morrison are taking it back to that mentality, purposely, and it's incredibly refreshing

 

[papie]

You're in the wrong genre, pal.

I don't think so.
I've read comics, mostly Marvel and Batman.
I like most superhero movies. Spiderman, earlier Batman movies (save one), X-men, the Hulk with Norton(I ****ing love that movie), Iron Man. I like how Captain America is going to turn out.
Hell, even Thor appeals to me. It looks like it has been done well.

 

[JAK®]

So what bothered you about the Gatling Gun construct? It makes perfect sense considering the capabilities of the power ring.

 

[papie]

So what bothered you about the Gatling Gun construct? It makes perfect sense considering the capabilities of the power ring.

Yes it's within the capabilities yet it's so unnecessary and 'tough'.

WHY U NO SHOOT BULLETS OUT OF RING?

It just seems that if you have an all powerful ring summoning a Gatling Gun is equivalent to summoning a bow and arrow to shoot down an airplane.
It lacks creative innovative imagination from Hal Jordan.

Of course I am going to watch the movie once, so I'll have to see the context.

The Silver Age deserves more respect. People need to realise that comic books really were written for 10-12 year olds back then. (In my opinion, mainstream comic books need to go back to that mentality)

I've got respect for the Silver Age but now that I'm above the target demographic I don't want them going back. Screw the kids, I want my provocative literature.

 

[JAK®]

Yes it's within the capabilities yet it's so unnecessary and 'tough'.

WHY U NO SHOOT BULLETS OUT OF RING?

It just seems that if you have an all powerful ring summoning a Gatling Gun is equivalent to summoning a bow and arrow.
It lacks creative innovative imagination from Hal Jordan.

Of course I am going to watch the movie once, so I'll have to see the context.

But if it's all coming from his imagination, then imagining the bullets coming out of a gun would make a stronger construct, as the mechanics would make 'sense' to him.

 

[RoughNTumble]

I so very highly disagree with the idea that practical or 'realistic' heroes are more compelling. Quite the opposite really. As long as a fantasy/sci-fi/superhero world has a set of rules, and doesn't contradict those rules, as the gatling gun doesn't, I don't see anything silly or ridiculous about it.

 

[JAK®]

A good story is a good story. Realism, or a lack of, has nothing to do with it.

Realism only helped Batman Begins, because by explaining in detail why Batman dresses as he does and how his gadgets work, we found out more about the character. I'm not opposed to realism. But I am opposed to watering down superheroes in the name of realism. Not saying that Nolan does this.

 

[papie]

But if it's all coming from his imagination, then imagining the bullets coming out of a gun would make a stronger construct, as the mechanics would make 'sense' to him.

I guess that is indeed a very strong argument.

Still, http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/MisappliedPhlebotinum.

A good story is a good story. Realism, or a lack of, has nothing to do with it.

Realism only helped Batman Begins, because by explaining in detail why Batman dresses as he does and how his gadgets work, we found out more about the character. I'm not opposed to realism. But I am opposed to watering down superheroes in the name of realism. Not saying that Nolan does this.

I would be opposed to making a 'realistic' Green Lantern movie, that would also be silly. It's just not for me.

Back to Batsuits?

 

[Mr. Earle]

A good story is a good story. Realism, or a lack of, has nothing to do with it.

Realism only helped Batman Begins, because by explaining in detail why Batman dresses as he does and how his gadgets work, we found out more about the character. I'm not opposed to realism. But I am opposed to watering down superheroes in the name of realism. NoJak t saying that Nolan does this.

Jak, have i told you that i like you?

 

[JAK®]

Like, like like me, or like like like me?

 

[Mr. Earle]

No, like you in a friendly way. lol.

 

[BatScot]

Though it was Kane's idea. I just don't understand why we can't agree that it was a collaboration? It was you know.

Because it is the very nature of that collaboration that intrigues me and the more one becomes aware of the facts the more one comes to question Kane’s role even at the earliest stage. Was he there at the beginning, undoubtedly. But so was Bill Finger. Kane would have us believe the collaboration was 90% him, 10% Finger. The truth is almost certainly 50/50 and I would argue that in reality the scale is decidedly tipped in favor of Finger. Did Kane come up with the “initial” idea? Maybe. But Finger is the one most responsible for developing that idea into 'The Batman' that appeared in Detective No. 27. So who is the creator? The one who may have came up with the name or the one who truly created the character? Maybe it's both, but maybe the truth is closer to Created by Finger and Kane.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

It should be BATMAN- Concept by bOb Kane Developed by Bill Finger. Kane was the guy who was (illegally) hired by DC though, so he gets the credit, whereas Finger is held in higher esteem by the comics community.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Kane made them sign a contract so that whenever Batman appears they have to say "Batman created by Bob Kane". Finger didnt. I guess they should have done that regardless.

 

[JBElliott]

He'd break some bones in his hands every other day, that's what's wrong.

Do these 'gauntlets' look like they absorb anything of the punch?

That suit looks awful, just awful. It's laughable and not intimidating in the least. Where's the snorkel and oxygen tank to go along with that scuba suit?