The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Saint]

He's right: the movies aren't like the comics. For example, in the comics Batman looks awesome.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Thanks for your input.

To be fair, he added about as much input as you did in your last post in the Indiana Jones thread.

 

[EliteF50]

He's right: the movies aren't like the comics. For example, in the comics Batman looks awesome.

Haha! XD

Such a diss to all Batman directors... but true, unfortunately.

But I still love the Batman Returns suit.

 

[Lone]

Nolan and co. should've went with something like this:

Hopefully we'll get something similar to that in the next incarnation of movie Batman.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Nolan and co. should've went with something like this:

Hopefully we'll get something similar to that in the next incarnation of movie Batman.

I don't understand what makes that much different from previous Batman film Batsuits.

 

[Savage]

Because even though it looks armored, he still not only is able to move and fight quite well, he looks like a superhero. Even the trunks got worked in in a way that makes sense.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Because even though it looks armored, he still not only is able to move and fight quite well, he looks like a superhero. Even the trunks got worked in in a way that makes sense.

What do you mean by "look like a superhero"? To me, it's more important for it work as a Batman design, which I think both the BB and TDK suits accomplished.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The Ozy suit is a good start point to a good Batman suit because the suit looks like an armoured suit, while still appearing like a form fitting superhero costume, and looks more like a live action comic Batman design. If we were to get Snyder as the next director, he could deliver us with the best bat suit to date. Say what you like about his overuse of bullet time, the man gets visuals, whereas Nolan, while extremely good, seems less in his comfort zone witha comic book movie.

 

[Lencho01]

Because even though it looks armored, he still not only is able to move and fight quite well, he looks like a superhero. Even the trunks got worked in in a way that makes sense.

His ability to fight so well was shocking to me. Even though the past suits aren't great for movement, their fights were still entertaining.

Here's an interesting Batman-like mask for DCUO players on the PS3...

http://www.comicsalliance.com/2011/05/04/dc-universe-online-make-good-plan-psn-downtime-mask/

 

[KRIM]

That female mask would be an interesting approach for Catwoman. You can definitely see the Batman influence.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

it always bugged me that Nite Owl's suit looked alot like past batman movie suits but in the fight scenes in watchmen he moved quite well, especially the fight scenes.

 

[Savage]

What do you mean by "look like a superhero"? To me, it's more important for it work as a Batman design, which I think both the BB and TDK suits accomplished.

I liked Batman Begins Batman. He looked very much like the comics but all in black. The problem was he still had a bit of trouble moving. They tried to remedy that with The Dark Knight but his appearance was sacrificed imo. Owlman's costume seems like the perfect balance. It looks armored and has the human anatomy going for it (though with obvious owl feather patterns) and is able to be functional without looking like a jigsaw puzzle. This guy was able to do friggin' spin kicks and crap. No jump cuts either to hide it. This guy could move and he could move fast.

Ozymandias is an even better comparison I think. Just remove the nipples obviously. The Watchmen costumes are leagues ahead of the Batman costumes, imo. It's amazing that they're still trying to figure out a balance with those. In fact after watching Watchmen I was wondering why they didn't do something so simple back in 89 in the first place.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The Ozymandias suit was just like the Schumacher ones, with overdone masculature and all that. Snyder himself said that it was meant as a parody of those suits just like the graphic novel deconstructed other comics.

In any case they dont need rubber (although Watchmen clearly did it better than Nolan), they could use some sort of cloth like Spiderman or the FF, with some padding and stuff to make it look armoured. It doesnt have to be this rubber crap.

 

[JAK®]

It just has to look armoured underneath, the 'cloth' above it also needs to look durable, like this;

 

[Godzilla2014]

The Ozy suit is a good start point to a good Batman suit because the suit looks like an armoured suit, while still appearing like a form fitting superhero costume, and looks more like a live action comic Batman design. If we were to get Snyder as the next director, he could deliver us with the best bat suit to date. Say what you like about his overuse of bullet time, the man gets visuals, whereas Nolan, while extremely good, seems less in his comfort zone witha comic book movie.

You mean the nippled muscle suit? I have had enough of those for Batman.

it always bugged me that Nite Owl's suit looked alot like past batman movie suits but in the fight scenes in watchmen he moved quite well, especially the fight scenes.

Keep in mind that the fight scenes in BATMAN BEGINS were designed to be simple, brutal, and realistic (which I like better), while the fight scenes in WATCHMEN were designed to be stylized and ostentatious. It is only a natural that the Nite-Owl suit's flexibility be more demonstrated on screen then the BEGINS Batsuit's, because things like spin kicks weren't called for in BB when a head butt would do the same thing more efficiently.

I liked Batman Begins Batman. He looked very much like the comics but all in black. The problem was he still had a bit of trouble moving. They tried to remedy that with The Dark Knight but his appearance was sacrificed imo. Owlman's costume seems like the perfect balance. It looks armored and has the human anatomy going for it (though with obvious owl feather patterns) and is able to be functional without looking like a jigsaw puzzle. This guy was able to do friggin' spin kicks and crap. No jump cuts either to hide it. This guy could move and he could move fast.

The BATMAN BEGINS Batsuit was actually pretty mobile, Christian Bale could crouch in it, which Michael Keaton, Val Kilmer, and George Clooney could not in their respective Batsuits.

Ozymandias is an even better comparison I think. Just remove the nipples obviously. The Watchmen costumes are leagues ahead of the Batman costumes, imo. It's amazing that they're still trying to figure out a balance with those. In fact after watching Watchmen I was wondering why they didn't do something so simple back in 89 in the first place.

I disagree. There's practically nothing armored looking about the Ozymandias suit.

 

[Mr. Earle]

It just has to look armoured underneath, the 'cloth' above it also needs to look durable, like this;

Not necessarily. It could have a smooth surface but look sturdy and thick enough to be armoured. In fact i'd prefer that.

 

[JAK®]

I think a smooth surface that looks durable would look barely different to the rubber of the BB suit.

 

[Savage]

Ozy's suit looked just as armored as any of Burton, Shumacher, or Nolan's suits to me. As for the Begins suit being functional, yeah it was but then it would crease and ruin the armored aesthetic. For me it was plainly obvious that the suit Bale pulled out of the drawer and tested in his cave was not the same as the final product. I believe that the hard armored look would work if they chose to make the joints soft and bendable.

They did that in TDK. Then they went overboard with it. Not even for a good reason either considering Bale's Batman still fought like he was wearing a Keaton suit. Which actually COULD be a bad comparison because Keaton was able to do way more in his fight scenes than Bale showed which was "block, elbow, hammer fist". I mean grab someone by the collar and headbutt them. Knee them in the crotch. You don't have to be extravagant to show that the suit can do more than crouch with your head turned and look imposing.

 

[Savage]

Not necessarily. It could have a smooth surface but look sturdy and thick enough to be armoured. In fact i'd prefer that.

Even a cartoon has it that joints in the right places work. This suit would be perfect in live action because you can use hard looking plates and not worry about creasing. I love this costume.

 

[JBElliott]

Not necessarily. It could have a smooth surface but look sturdy and thick enough to be armoured. In fact i'd prefer that.

The Young Justice suit is very nice in that it looks like Batman, but makes it clear there's some amour without over doing it; all the bat-movies have overdone it.

The costumes in the Watchmen movie were supposed to "deconstruct" costumes in other superhero movie just as the Watchmen comic deconstructed superhero comics.

Also, comics are like movies. Story boards are pretty much comics. Both comics and movies are visual media and both are two dimensional. The stuff in comics can work on film and it's been done reasonably well with the first Superman movie and the first Spider-Man movies. Unfortunately, the recent DC movies haven't tried at all to capture the look of the comics, but have instead gone another direction ignoring the artist efforts of countless great comic book artists. But I guess Hollywood artists are better than comic book artists.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Even a cartoon has it that joints in the right places work. This suit would be perfect in live action because you can use hard looking plates and not worry about creasing. I love this costume.

I doubt those are meant to be tabs. It looks like a more tasteful take on the Arkham Asylum concept, with the lines being seams.

The Young Justice suit is very nice in that it looks like Batman, but makes it clear there's some amour without over doing it; all the bat-movies have overdone it.

The costumes in the Watchmen movie were supposed to "deconstruct" costumes in other superhero movie just as the Watchmen comic deconstructed superhero comics.

Also, comics are like movies. Story boards are pretty much comics. Both comics and movies are visual media and both are two dimensional. The stuff in comics can work on film and it's been done reasonably well with the first Superman movie and the first Spider-Man movies. Unfortunately, the recent DC movies haven't tried at all to capture the look of the comics, but have instead gone another direction ignoring the artist efforts of countless great comic book artists. But I guess Hollywood artists are better than comic book artists.

Agreed.

 

[Godzilla2014]

Ozy's suit looked just as armored as any of Burton, Shumacher, or Nolan's suits to me. As for the Begins suit being functional, yeah it was but then it would crease and ruin the armored aesthetic. For me it was plainly obvious that the suit Bale pulled out of the drawer and tested in his cave was not the same as the final product. I believe that the hard armored look would work if they chose to make the joints soft and bendable.

They did that in TDK. Then they went overboard with it. Not even for a good reason either considering Bale's Batman still fought like he was wearing a Keaton suit. Which actually COULD be a bad comparison because Keaton was able to do way more in his fight scenes than Bale showed which was "block, elbow, hammer fist". I mean grab someone by the collar and headbutt them. Knee them in the crotch. You don't have to be extravagant to show that the suit can do more than crouch with your head turned and look imposing.

Like I said earlier, Christopher Nolan has wanted the fight scenes in his Batman movies to simple, brutal, and realistic. In a real fight, the more impressive looking the move, the less useful it tends to be. So Batman doesn't kick thugs in the head, because punching would be faster, and therefore less likely for the target to defend against it. Sure he can move a lot, but he has no need to be doing flip kicks. I prefer that kind of fight scene to the fight scenes like those of WATCHMEN and many other films, where fighting is practically a dance.

One of the flaws of the BATMAN BEGINS Batsuit is that it didn't really look like body armor, especially not the kind it was described as in the film, and this was a major factor in its redesign in THE DARK KNIGHT, in addition to the limited mobility.

Even a cartoon has it that joints in the right places work. This suit would be perfect in live action because you can use hard looking plates and not worry about creasing. I love this costume.

That could definitely work.

 

[Llama_Shepherd]

The Ozymandias suit was just like the Schumacher ones, with overdone masculature and all that. Snyder himself said that it was meant as a parody of those suits just like the graphic novel deconstructed other comics.

In any case they dont need rubber (although Watchmen clearly did it better than Nolan), they could use some sort of cloth like Spiderman or the FF, with some padding and stuff to make it look armoured. It doesnt have to be this rubber crap.

I mistyped, I meant Nite Owl.

 

[Mister Meddle]

I like the GI Joe suit much more. Number one, it looks more simple yet maintains flexibility. Like the guy next to me, I'm not a big fan of the puzzly look. Number two, not only does it look lighter but he also looks pretty well armored. TDK suit still looks pretty heavy for someone that's looking to carry less weight. Maybe add additional pieces to the obliques though.

 

[Mako]

No Thanks but that's just my opinion.