The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE) - - Part 57

[Nevincer]

What was it that ruined Green Lantern specifically? Has anyone broken it down? I didn't even see the film.

 

[BatLobster]

With Nolan producing and Snyder directing...maybe it'll finally happen.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

Gladly. Nolan himself would tell you he took a big page out of Richard Donner's playbook for Batman Begins, and he would also tell you that Tim Burton's Batman movies were similar quality to his and also had a pretty big influence on him as well.

I edited it too slow for you to catch on, my bad. I added "in cinema".

You're last statement still applies though. Yes, in his time Burton revolutionized Batman on film, but Nolan is his successor and is doing things no one has done with Batman "on film".

 

[The_Raganork]

Ryan Reynolds.

 

[gorillanesthsia]

Ryan Reynolds.

And bad writing.

Not to mention 90% was shot with green screen and you can tell.

 

[Travesty]

You're last statement still applies though. Yes, in his time Burton revolutionized Batman on film, but Nolan is his successor and is doing things no one has done with Batman "on film".

What exactly has he done that has never been done before?

 

[The Batman]

With Nolan producing and Snyder directing...maybe it'll finally happen.

I kinda doubt it. I've heard MOS being described as essentially Superman: The Movie and Superman II crammed together and put into a modern day context. At this point, I'm expecting it to be Thor/Captain America level good where its decent, but nothing revolutionary, with post crisis superman fans thinking it the best thing ever because it dosent remind them of Donner's Superman on a surface level.

 

[The_Raganork]

And Ryan Reynolds again.

 

[Yurka]

Ryan Reynolds.

And bad writing.

Not to mention 90% was shot with green screen and you can tell.

Reynolds was a terrible Hal. And the entire film seemed like it was targeted towards 8 year-olds and thus, extremely dumb, but ultimately I didn't think it was as bad as some were making it out to be. I had heard it was on par with Battlefield Earth.

Mark Strong was the best part of the movie, which is a shame. I would have liked to see him be Sinestro again and the main villain.

 

[Nevincer]

I kinda doubt it. I've heard MOS being described as essentially Superman: The Movie and Superman II crammed together and put into a modern day context. At this point, I'm expecting it to be Thor/Captain America level good where its decent, but nothing revolutionary, with post crisis superman fans thinking it the best thing ever because it dosent remind them of Donner's Superman on a surface level.

Eh... that's a good start I suppose, considering how far the franchise has sunk already.

 

[redfirebird2008]

What exactly has he done that has never been done before?

Exactly my point. He has made two very good Batman movies, but they aren't revolutionary IMHO. Now if he has the guts to kill Bruce Wayne in TDKR, I'll give him props for having the balls to go somewhere that the studio would normally not allow anyone to go.

 

[doobie]

Not wanting to go too off topic but I'd love to see a good fantastic four film. The closest we got was Incredibles.

 

[The Batman]

Eh... that's a good start I suppose, considering how far the franchise has sunk already.

I dunno...I expect more from certain characters...franchises like Superman, Batman, Spider-Man, and X-Men could put out some really transcendent films with the right team behind them.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Not wanting to go too off topic but I'd love to see a good fantastic four film. The closest we got was Incredibles.

As long as Fox owns it, good luck. I'm shocked we got such a good X-Men reboot after that franchise went in the gutter. I'll give Nolan some credit for that one since Vaughn said the tone of Batman Begins inspired him. Still shocking that Fox actually let it happen. I just wish that studio didn't even own the rights to these characters. Same with Sony.

 

[camp Blood]

they need better casting Jessica alba was a bad choice

the chick from Alcatraz would be good

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The problem with Green Lantern was that it was painfully mediocre in every facet. It's timing of release hurt it as much as anything. If Lantern was released in 2003 it would be considered good. Before the market was saturated origin stories that more or less tread similar grounds.

 

[redfirebird2008]

they need better casting Jessica alba was a bad choice

You think?

 

[Alienous]

Hello. I heard the previous debate about Ra's Al Ghul's supposed immortality and just wanted to share my opinion on it. I have been observing this boards for years now, but this topic was too hard to avoid.

I understand the rules of the board. I know that this is not a lounge, but I feel like these particular opinions relate to 'The Dark Knight Rises' quite strongly. If there is any disagreement I hope any moderators will not hesitate in my swift and purposeful banning. Thanks in advance.


The way I see it Ra's Al Ghul is immortal in Batman Begins. Alas, not in a supernatural way, but what Ra's Al Ghul represents is immortal. The ideal that any criminal act has to be dealt with ruthlessly. I find it easier to think of Ra's Al Ghul as the "Demon's Head"; it is simply a title bestowed on those that follow the same ideals.

The LOS (according to Ducard Al Ghul) burnt London to the ground, along with various other events throughout history. Did Ducard himself orchestrate this? Of course not, if you take the view that he is not immortal. Therefore somebody must have, and it sure as heck wasn't Santa Claus. It doesn't matter which century it takes place in the "Demon's Head" was an idea that transcended flesh and blood, the leader of the LOS.

Much of what Ducard/Ra's Al Ghul makes sense when you view Batman Begins this way. Bruce was meant to take the title of "Demon's Head", and perhaps Ducard went through similar trials in his youth. "With Gotham we tried something different, Economics". Ducard would likely be far to young, idealistic and similar to Bruce to exact such a plan, atleast 20 years younger than he appeared in Batman Begins.

Nolan and Goyer have constantly reinterpreted old characters, and put a spin on them. I think you have to consider this when looking at character like Bane, who do not embody their comic book counterparts exactly. Similar motifs and motivations are apparent, but are sometimes simplifed and left to the audience to interpret differently. This is how Nolan directs, he does not explain everything to the audience. He expects us to conclude and fill in the gaps, so to speak.

"When you devote yourself to an ideal ... you become a legend, Mr. Wayne"

 

[redfirebird2008]

Not to mention 90% was shot with green screen and you can tell.

And that's despite a massive budget of $200m. The quality of the CGI was embarrassing when you look at the budget. "Where did the money go?" Straight down the toilet.

 

[Yurka]

The overall problem with Lantern was that Campbell didn't take it seriously. He stated he wanted to make a "fun" movie instead of treating the material with respect. It didn't really bother me because I'm not a Lantern fan but I have friends who were looking forward to it for years.

 

[Norek]

And bad writing.

Not to mention 90% was shot with green screen and you can tell.

That's what ruined it completely for me. EVERYTHING seemed fake.

And then there's Reynolds...

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Avengers has Joss Whedon... TDKR has the Nolan's and Wally. 'Nuff said.

Don't be so quick to write off Joss Whedon
www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_cabin_in_the_woods/
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/marvels_the_avengers/reviews/?type=user

But they won't raise philosophical questions, it will be super heroes with extraordinary powers fighting evil and blowing **** up.

What Nolan is doing with Batman is something that has never been done before and a way that has never been this good. The Avengers is nothing really new... just the first time these characters are together on screen.

I'm looking forward to both (heck all 3) comic book movies, but don't be so quick to write off The Avengers as "super heroes with extraordinary powers fighting evil and blowing **** up" and "nothing new," especially when people who have actually seen it would disagree with that. Apparently in their opinions it's a game changer.

 

[Sharkboy]

The Green Lantern animated series is pretty good, it's very good actually.

Back on topic....erm *thinks of a TDKR relevant topic* when do the tdkr happy meals start?

EDIT: I'm not bothered with Avengers bashing (part of me quite likes it) but don't hate on Joss Whedon, that guy was the man for the longest time and I'm damn proud he's gone from "guy who got shafted with Firefly" to "guy who's gonna make a billion easy in hollywood" I just hope after all of this, someone is gonna give him creative freedom and some money so he can make the films he wants to make.

I'm a preteen of the 90's, all i did after school was watch Buffy and Angel.

 

[Gianakin_]

Apparently in their opinions it's a game changer.

You might be right, but then the marketing for this movie so far would have been misleading. It may very well be a game changer, but not in the same ways as BB, TDK or (possibly) TDKR.

 

[Nevincer]

And that's despite a massive budget of $200m. The quality of the CGI was embarrassing when you look at the budget. "Where did the money go?" Straight down the toilet.

Yeah, that was definitely bad for CGI in this day and age. Not sure what WB were thinking.