The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE) - - - Part 58

[Nevincer]

The trailer was playing with New Years Eve over here... but we came in just as the chant was building up.

By the time we sat down it was over.

Absolutely typical.

 

[Hype_the_Hero]

Where you from?

I have never seen the teaser in theaters and saw the trailer only once when it was in front of Sherlock, and I've seen ALMOST every new movie that has come out. It's almost as if they don't want people knowing about the movie.

EDIT: And I live on the east coast (though I know you were referring to the other poster) I'm just comparing his location to mine

 

[redfirebird2008]

It would be a missed opportunity if it's not with the Avengers.

In terms of promoting TDKR, yes. But in terms of WB's financial goals as a studio? Perhaps not. Would not surprise me if they debut the TDKR trailer with Dark Shadows in order to give Dark Shadows a boost. It wouldn't be a huge boost, but it would be a boost nonetheless. The question they would have to ask themselves is whether TDKR's gross would benefit enough from being with Avengers to offset the potential lost revenue from a "TDKR boost" for Dark Shadows.

 

[Greens]

I have never seen the teaser in theaters and saw the trailer only once when it was in front of Sherlock, and I've seen ALMOST every new movie that has come out. It's almost as if they don't want people knowing about the movie.

EDIT: And I live on the east coast (though I know you were referring to the other poster) I'm just comparing his location to mine

My theater has one TDKR poster (the rain one), and it's always hidden behind cardboard cutouts

It's a conspiracy.

 

[kvz5]

In terms of promoting TDKR, yes. But in terms of WB's financial goals as a studio? Perhaps not. Would not surprise me if they debut the TDKR trailer with Dark Shadows in order to give Dark Shadows a boost. It wouldn't be a huge boost, but it would be a boost nonetheless. The question they would have to ask themselves is whether TDKR's gross would benefit enough from being with Avengers to offset the potential lost revenue from a "TDKR boost" for Dark Shadows.

I'm one of those that never believed that the boost a movie gets from having the trailer of a hyped movie is significant enough to cause a dent so I think the payoff to TDKR by attaching its trailer to The Avengers is way higher than the payoff to Dark Shadows if the TDKR trailer is attached to it.

They could always attach TDKR to both though...

 

[dark_b]

In terms of promoting TDKR, yes. But in terms of WB's financial goals as a studio? Perhaps not. Would not surprise me if they debut the TDKR trailer with Dark Shadows in order to give Dark Shadows a boost. It wouldn't be a huge boost, but it would be a boost nonetheless. The question they would have to ask themselves is whether TDKR's gross would benefit enough from being with Avengers to offset the potential lost revenue from a "TDKR boost" for Dark Shadows.

the biggest SHH myth. fanboys who watch movies for trailers make a difference at the boxoffice.

because only a fanboy would watch a movie for the trailer. i dont care if someoen doesnt read comics. if you payed a ticket to watch a trailer you are official one of us. a fanboy

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Why does Jennifer Lawrence look like Tyra Banks in you avy?

 

[Nevincer]

the biggest SHH myth. fanboys who watch movies for trailers make a difference at the boxoffice.

I don't think it's as much an SHH myth as it must be for WB. Why else would they halt so long on getting those stinkin' things online, whereas so many other studios release trailers online in FULL HD before the film it's attatched to?

 

[Greens]

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That's some wisdom right there.

 

[Nevincer]

Box Office is all that counts.

Yeah, wisdom right there...

 

[dark_b]

I don't think it's as much an SHH myth as it must be for WB. Why else would they halt so long on getting those stinkin' things online, whereas so many other studios release trailers online in FULL HD before the film it's attatched to?

for 4 years i am trying to find the answer to this question. but i know that its not about the money. it was HP,I am Legend,MI4,....

 

[Dragon_316ca]

Reposting Gillberg's comment from last month: http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=22685007&postcount=806

You guys keep forgetting that all the really heavy hitting TDK stuff landed around April/May.

It's mid-March. Chill out. It's all coming. I'm the first to point the finger at the marketing department for their slacking on Rises, but frankly, they've got plenty of time, and you all have nothing to worry about.

Also, let's put this ridiculous Avengers vs TDKR notion to bed right now with a little dose of reality. A trailer with Avengers won't hurt either film. It'll be mutually beneficial. The Avengers crowd already paid their money, so it's not like TDKRs trailer is somehow going to cause people to get up and leave the theater. If you think the majority of the general audience cares THAT much about DC vs Marvel, or whatever crap fanboys want to ***** about, then you're living in a fantasy world.

Both sides are smart enough to put BS studio and comic book rivalries aside. When one film in the genre does well, it's good for the business and therefore, in the long run, good for everybody.

 

[Nevincer]

That was only last month? Hah.

 

[mad-sci]

I remember reading a review many years ago on AICN, who described the difference between Iron Man and TDK, which works right now with the top 2 CBMs.

I am paraphrasing, but here goes.



The Avengers is a great Comic-book movie


The Dark Knight Rises will be a great graphic novel film.


That's the core difference between the 2 film franchises, and there is nothing wrong with that.

All the Marvel film properties since Iron Man (except maybe TAS and Nic Cage's duds) have been adapted like the great comic books in Marvel's history. The creation of the Super-Soldier, the death of Bucky, the origin of Iron Man, the creation of the Avengers - all from great comic books.

These movies play like the comics - the hero faces a villain, struggles with an obstacle, a love interest is involved, the hero wins to fight another day.

It's the same approach that's taken with James Bond, Indiana Jones, The Superman films of the 70's / 80's, and the Batman films from 1989 - 1997. There's a reason that this approach is so successful - most people enjoy it. When a film or series is good, the films are brilliant. The first 3 Indiana Jones films were loved because audiences felt that they could watch that character forever - just like a comic book, the character would not age or die.


On the other hand, graphic novels take a different approach.

Batman: Year One, Batman: The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke, Knightfall, The Dark Knight Returns (Ha - notice what these novels have in common with Nolan's films?) - In these novels, story takes precedence over spectacle, and the focus is on the characters in the scenario, and how they develop. In a graphic novel, characters can change and develop. Others die and the story changes. Other characters are damaged, and there's no reset button. In a graphic novel, a character can age, change personality, die.

An example of a film series following a graphic novel template is the Godfather trilogy. Aside from a weak ending, the 3 films focussed on a central character and his development from a young innocent to an old, lonely villain.

Both comic film types are absolutely fine. I love Indiana Jones and many James Bond films, and Captain America was probably the best comic book films I saw last year, but I prefer the BB / TDK / TDKR approach.

You cannot compare the 2 types of film franchises, just because they are based on comic book properties - Its like comparing The Hunger Games and the Godfather because they were both adaptions of fictional novels.

It doesn't matter about the rating (it'll be about the same for both), the audiences will be different. To put it into context, kids, parents and families will make up the bulk of The Avengers audience in terms of gross. For TDKR, it will be young adults and teens.

 

[Bat-Gasm]

Trailer may be with Avengers now? I missed the convo.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The Avengers is a great Comic-book movie


The Dark Knight Rises will be a great graphic novel film.

"Graphic Novel" is term thrown around by people too ashamed to read comic books. There is virtually no difference between them.

 

[Nevincer]

"Graphic Novel" is term thrown around by people too ashamed to read comic books. There is virtually no difference between them.

Agreed.

 

[mad-sci]

"Graphic Novel" is term thrown around by people too ashamed to read comic books. There is virtually no difference between them.

I have described the difference between the two. One form is never-ending and focuses on spectacle, whilst the other is self-contained and allow for a focus on character development and plot.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I have described the difference between the two. One form is never-ending and focuses on spectacle, whilst the other is self-contained and allow for a focus on character development and plot.

You made that up. It's not in any way an official distinction of the terms. Essentially they mean the same thing.

 

[mackblack01]

"Graphic Novel" is term thrown around by people too ashamed to read comic books. There is virtually no difference between them.

Agreed.

I have described the difference between the two. One form is never-ending and focuses on spectacle, whilst the other is self-contained and allow for a focus on character development and plot.

This.

 

[jmc]

One's going to be a great fun movie, one's going to be a great movie. Simple as that.

 

[mad-sci]

You made that up. It's not in any way an official distinction of the terms. Essentially they mean the same thing.

Not in terms of their use. A graphic novel is a collection of comics telling a self contained story. When reading the story in said format, the plot and characterisation is evident. Reading individual comic books, you get a sense of action and drama, but less of a clear story. That's what I mean when I describe the 2 approaches by The Avengers and TDKR.

 

[Yurka]

One's going to be a great fun movie, one's going to be an great movie. Simple as that.

Anytime I hear "fun" or "entertaining" in a review I know not to get my hopes up too high.

 

[Nevincer]

Anytime I hear "fun" or "entertaining" in a review I know not to get my hopes up too high.

So true.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I have described the difference between the two. One form is never-ending and focuses on spectacle, whilst the other is self-contained and allow for a focus on character development and plot.

You made that up. It's not in any way an official distinction of the terms. Essentially they mean the same thing.

Agreed. I can't tell you many times a particular run of a character has been collected into a book and called a graphic novel, whether the run featured the same overall arch throughout.

The are the SAME THING.