The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE) - - - Part 58

[Tacit Ronin]

Not in terms of their use. A graphic novel is a collection of comics telling a self contained story. When reading the story in said format, the plot and characterisation is evident. Reading individual comic books, you get a sense of action and drama, but less of a clear story. That's what I mean when I describe the 2 approaches by The Avengers and TDKR.

But the Avengers (according to the spoilers), and all the Marvel films did tell self contained stories. They all had beginnings, middles, and ends. So by your definition, they are no less "graphic novel" than Batman.

 

[Blue Sugar]

They will be two so very different films. Personally I prefer both Batman as a character and the approach of these films, so naturally I'm more excited for TDKR and will most likely also like it more. But that doesn't mean I have to dismiss or hate on The Avengers just as a statement or something, like so many do, on both sides will say.

I hope I will like The Avengers, it seems like a shamelessly entertaining spectacle. None of the individual films have been too much to my liking even though I've enjoyed them, I think that's the least I will get from The Avengers.

But now I'm getting reading discussions of the merits of different comic-book movies and styles in this thread. Someone help us with some slight news!

 

[Caped Crusader]

fixed.

 

[jmc]

Anytime I hear ''fun'' or ''entertaining'' in a review I know not to get my hopes up too high.

Yeah certain big blockbusters you can just enjoy for what they are, I just wish there were more like Nolan's Batman.

 

[Nevincer]

Agreed. I can't tell you many times a particular run of a character has been collected into a book and called a graphic novel, whether the run featured the same overall arch throughout.

The are the SAME THING.

 

[mad-sci]

But the Avengers (according to the spoilers), and all the Marvel films did tell self contained stories. They all had beginnings, middles, and ends. So by your definition, they are no less "graphic novel" than Batman.

Although the Marvel films had self-contained stories, you can see that the individual, non-connected comic books were used for scenes / origins. For example, Iron Man 1 and 2 used many seperate comic books to develop the origin, characters such as Jarvis and Pepper Pots, the villains, but no story arch.


For BB and TDK, its obvious that collections (i.e. novels) such as Batman: Year One, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke were the basis of most of the stories (For BB, there were characters and scenes from Year One, and the ending was homaged). But its not just in terms of the story - characterisations from these novels and collections were also used.

 

[Blue Sugar]

So TDKR, it seems cool ey?

 

[Nevincer]

So TDKR, it seems cool ey?

It seems [BLACKOUT]newsless.[/BLACKOUT]

Spoiler

I don't care if that's not a word.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Newsless Killed the Thread

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Although the Marvel films had self-contained stories, you can see that the individual, non-connected comic books were used for scenes / origins. For example, Iron Man 1 and 2 used many seperate comic books to develop the origin, characters such as Jarvis and Pepper Pots, the villains, but no story arch.


For BB and TDK, its obvious that collections (i.e. novels) such as Batman: Year One, The Long Halloween, The Killing Joke were the basis of most of the stories (For BB, there were characters and scenes from Year One, and the ending was homaged). But its not just in terms of the story - characterisations from these novels and collections were also used.

Iron Man 2 used elements from "demon in a bottle". A graphic novel in your term.


The Avengers uses elements from the Ultimates. A graphic novel in your term.

 

[Nevincer]

Newsless Killed the Thread

How does one kill what's already dead?

 

[Sharkboy]

One week left!....till news?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

One week left!....till news?

Pretty much... two weeks TOPS!

 

[Nevincer]

If Avengers and Dark Shadows both hit whilst simultaneously not hearing a peep from WB on TDKR, we'd surerly be in a frenzy on this board.

 

[mad-sci]

Iron Man 2 used elements from "demon in a bottle". A graphic novel in your term.


The Avengers uses elements from the Ultimates. A graphic novel in your term.

The elements that were used from 'Demon in a Bottle' were hardly at the same level as for BB / TDK. For TDK, we had scenes directly lifted from Long Halloween such as the trio around the Bat Signal, the ending with all 3. I mean, do you remember the viral marketing - the Halloween pumpkin used, the 'I Believe in Harvey Dent' tagline that was also in the film?

The Marvel films may use elements from graphic novels, as all CBMs do, but they are more focused on building a story around a character.

BB and TDK (and TDKR) are more interested in telling a story involving a character (which is what you find in a graphic novel).

 

[mackblack01]

One week left!....till news?

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Thread pep talk!

I mean, honestly, like, wait till you see this movie. Chris is doing insane things in it. And it’s gonna be marvelous and it’s gonna be way beyond what anyone imagines that it could be. You can’t imagine the things that he’s doing, at least I couldn’t until I read the script and I was like, ‘You’re really? Okay, you’re going there!'

quote source

It's great. It's a terrific conclusion to the trilogy. Nolan rounds it off: he brings in a bit of the first one, from 'Batman Begins,' and he does some really surprising things with it.

quote source

It is liberating, because we've earned a lot of trust from the audience with the first two films and we feel a lot of pressure not to betray that trust. But at the same time, we also feel that they'll go with us if we want to go to some unusual places. So we're going to take some risks with the film, I think in some really interesting and positive ways.

quote source

Oh yes, audiences are really going to get a surprise with this one. I couldn't believe that it would be more intense than (The Dark Knight), but it is.

quote source

 

[SpideyFan866]

Newsless Killed the Thread

Speaking of news, anybody remember Newsies, the bane of Christian Bale's career?

He's come a LOOOOOOOONG way.

 

[Brother Jack]

Anytime I hear "fun" or "entertaining" in a review I know not to get my hopes up too high.

I'm sure TDKR will be entertaining. Fun is another matter. I was entertained by The Dark Knight but I wouldn't call it a fun movie.

 

[Nevincer]

I'm sure TDKR will be entertaining. Fun is another matter. I was entertained by The Dark Knight but I wouldn't call it a fun movie.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

The Marvel films may use elements from graphic novels, as all CBMs do, but they are more focused on building a story around a character.

Well, this definitely won't be true for the Avengers where all the characters are merely part of an ensemble.

BB and TDK (and TDKR) are more interested in telling a story involving a character (which is what you find in a graphic novel).

I've read several graphic novels (in your term) that told a story around a character. The Killing Joke was undoubtedly about the nature of the Joker's madness. A serious House on a serious earth was only interested in Batman's complex psyche.

 

[SpideyFan866]

One week left!....till news?

How many times do I have to say that the marketing boom will begin at CinemaCon?

Trailer included there?


COME ON PEOPLE!

 

[venus_ice]

I trust in Christ Nolan.

 

[Sharkboy]

How many times do I have to say that the marketing boom will begin at CinemaCon?

Trailer included there?


COME ON PEOPLE!

Yeah so...one week.

 

[jmc]

I'm sure TDKR will be entertaining. Fun is another matter. I was entertained by The Dark Knight but I wouldn't call it a fun movie.

Definitely not a fun movie. I've never quite understood why people think a film has to be 'fun' to be enjoyed. Hunger Games is a film with a depressing subject matter and it's hardly a fun ride, but it's still a great movie to watch.