The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE) - - - Part 58

[batbax]

an update:

https://***********/#!/DannyAllenUK/status/192636277139578881

I get the feeling hes talking about the same photo from a few pages back.

oops too slow lol

 

[Nevincer]

Yeah, it's a false alarm.

 

[Ant-LOX]

We here have placed the importance of a trailer to the highest regards. The majority of movie-goers are in the bathroom or in line getting popcorn while the trailer is played.

We are a little overboard with the placement.

For all we know, It could be attached to "Chimpanzee" that is released this Friday.

 

[Anjow1060]

No, it's the same situation as it was in 2008.

None of us knew if TDK was going to be TDK or SM3 either. It could have gone either way.

Avengers is getting the same reaction as IM in 2008.

TDKR is being treated as if it's in trouble for some reason.

While TDKR could be SM3 it isn't. We have really great reasons to know this. The primary reason is that Chris Nolan is making this film.

If anyone one man at this time deserves our trust to deliver a good film it's Nolan. I'm not saying that he's not capable of failing, I'm saying that we ought to now start giving credit where credit is due.

The man has done us over very well the last couple of years and TDKR being good is not something I've got to see to believe.

It being bad is something I've got to see to believe.

To be fair - many said the same of Raimi.

His issue was the studio interference. Of which Nolan hasn't really had that issues sans a possible heated discussion or two over runtime and 3-D. And possibly over the ending. But we don't know this for sure the way we did with Raimi and the whole Venom thing.

And with Singer - had such a perfect track record and then we thought Superman was in the can - but he was too much in love with Donner's stuff.

Nolan could very well over-do the metropolis / great gatsby (or was it tale of two cities) influences he's attempting here.

I'm not saying he will as his Blade Runner influences didn't ruin Begins and his Heat influences didn't affect TDK.

But still.... anything is possible. The man broke the Batmovie curse of the 2nd film, so that was tremendous enough as it was. If he can break a genre specific curse of the terrible 3rd movie syndrome, he will have really done something awesome. But as great as he is, the odds are mightily stacked against him and it's OK for us to lower expectations a little.

In fact, it's prolly best.

Prepare for the worst. Hope for the best.

- Jow

 

[redfirebird2008]

No, it's the same situation as it was in 2008.

None of us knew if TDK was going to be TDK or SM3 either. It could have gone either way.

Avengers is getting the same reaction as IM in 2008.

TDKR is being treated as if it's in trouble for some reason.

While TDKR could be SM3 it isn't. We have really great reasons to know this. The primary reason is that Chris Nolan is making this film.

If anyone one man at this time deserves our trust to deliver a good film it's Nolan. I'm not saying that he's not capable of failing, I'm saying that we ought to now start giving credit where credit is due.

The man has done us over very well the last couple of years and TDKR being good is not something I've got to see to believe.

It being bad is something I've got to see to believe.

Yes, it's the same situation as '08 in that around this same time we knew IM1 kicked butt and we had no clue if TDK was good. Interestingly enough, the only things I know will be pretty good about TDKR so far are Pfister's photography and Hardy's performance, while the only things I was certain of about TDK in April 2008 were that (A) Pfister's photography would be really good and (B) Ledger's performance would be really good. If you look at it from that standpoint, the pattern is eerily similar.

 

[killface]

i just hope that we would get the surprise of our lives and find out that TDKR is in competition in this year's Canne film festival. Then, TDKR wins the Palme d'Or.

a guy could dream. t:

 

[mackblack01]

i just hope that we would get the surprise of our lives and find out that TDKR is in competition in this year's Canne film festival. Then, TDKR wins the Palme d'Or.

a guy could dream. t:

t:

 

[dark_b]

i just hope that we would get the surprise of our lives and find out that TDKR is in competition in this year's Canne film festival. Then, TDKR wins the Palme d'Or.

a guy could dream. t:

how do you know that TDKR deserves to win when we have not watch it ?

 

[Miranda Fox]

So, all of next week will be the fun fake trailer descriptions then?

*digs foxhole*

 

[redfirebird2008]

how do you know that TDKR deserves to win when we have not watch it ?

He said at the end this was his dream, meaning the movie would be good enough to win in his dream.

 

[Sharkboy]

Heeelllllll no. SM3 had clear warning signs, from Raimi doing a villain he publicly stated he did not want to do, from the huge amount of storylines and characters presented that had very little chance of working, and at the risk of showing my fanboy colours as much love as i have for raimi, evil dead 2 and darkman. He's no Chris Nolan.

The cards are definitely stacked in favour of Chris. Yes that makes the potential failure all the more painful and heartbreaking, but it certainly isn't as 50/50 as you would think.

 

[redfirebird2008]

Heeelllllll no. SM3 had clear warning signs, from Raimi doing a villain he publicly stated he did not want to do, from the huge amount of storylines and characters presented that had very little chance of working, and at the risk of showing my fanboy colours as much love as i have for raimi, evil dead 2 and darkman. He's no Chris Nolan.

The cards are definitely stacked in favour of Chris. Yes that makes the potential failure all the more painful and heartbreaking, but it certainly isn't as 50/50 as you would think.

No, the odds are very much against him for a number of reasons. The man has never made a bad movie, which means the pressure gets bigger and bigger with each movie he makes. At some point he'll make a bad one. It happens to everyone, even the greatest like Kubrick or Hitchcock. Then when you factor in the overpraise for TDK that went on, it just means that the sequel automatically has a target on its back.

 

[chamber-music]

I think TDKR will do fine.

If any movie superhero movie this summer might not live up to expectations its Amazing Spider-Man. I've heard plenty of people say they are not intrested in seeing another origin movie for Spidey.

 

[killface]

He said at the end this was his dream, meaning the movie would be good enough to win in his dream.

dark_b was my subconscious reacting to the inception.

 

[dark_b]

life would be so easier if they would at least give us the date for the trailer.

 

[The_Raganork]

The 4th of Soon

 

[Sharkboy]

No, the odds are very much against him for a number of reasons. The man has never made a bad movie, which means the pressure gets bigger and bigger with each movie he makes. At some point he'll make a bad one. It happens to everyone, even the greatest like Kubrick or Hitchcock. Then when you factor in the overpraise for TDK that went on, it just means that the sequel automatically has a target on its back.

The pressure is on and the film has a huge target on it's back as you put it, that dosen't affect whether the film will be good or bad. I'm just saying thanks to what we know about Nolan and his previous films, the odd that this will be good are...well...pretty good. Not definite...but good.

 

[redfirebird2008]

dark_b was my subconscious reacting to the inception.

 

[kvz5]

I'd be shocked if we don't get anything at next week's CinemaCon. Even if it's not the 3rd trailer, we're bound to get something. Maybe an interview with Nolan or whomever is there to represent TDKR. Or a new poster. At least I hope so.

 

[BatLobster]

No, the odds are very much against him for a number of reasons. The man has never made a bad movie, which means the pressure gets bigger and bigger with each movie he makes. At some point he'll make a bad one. It happens to everyone, even the greatest like Kubrick or Hitchcock. Then when you factor in the overpraise for TDK that went on, it just means that the sequel automatically has a target on its back.

Aren't people hating on the movie for the sake of it and the movie actually deserving it two separate matters?

In my eyes, there was significant backlash for TDK's "overpraise" starting as soon as summer 08. I remember websites that went up simply to tear down the film.

I think if anything it'll probably be more of the same. Nolan will remain adored by the majority, with a small army of passionate haters/critics. A few people will switch sides maybe, but I think the overall pattern will repeat.

 

[Nevincer]

At this rate we won't have the trailer until Part 70 with how quickly these threads are going.

 

[Kane52630]

At this rate we won't have the trailer until Part 70 with how quickly these threads are going.

#65 man, #65.

 

[Nevincer]

I'd be shocked if we don't get anything at next week's CinemaCon.

After all the conventions where there hasn't been anything? You'd be shocked?

 

[mackblack01]

I think TDKR will do fine.

If any movie superhero movie this summer might not live up to expectations its Amazing Spider-Man. I've heard plenty of people say they are not intrested in seeing another origin movie for Spidey.

Yeah, but it means nothing in terms of quality. Because people are not interested doesn't mean the movie will be mediocre. We all can be really surprised.

The 4th of Soon

t:

 

[The_Raganork]

The pressure is on and the film has a huge target on it's back as you put it, that dosen't affect whether the film will be good or bad. I'm just saying thanks to what we know about Nolan and his previous films, the odd that this will be good are...well...pretty good. Not definite...but good.

Right, the odds are overwhelmingly in his favor.

if it were just BB and TDK I could understand better but Inception too?

An original piece that was kept secret from the G.A. and then taken to be not only successful but a good film overall?

He's got the chops, we're at the point where it's fair to put the trust in Nolan, he's EARNED it. It doesn't make you a Nolanite or a Fanboy, it makes you someone who can understand reason.

The man is talented and has delivered us Two great Batman Movies and Inception and then on top of that the films not included on that short list have ALL been taken as good or great films.

Your chances are more in favor of TDKR being great than not. It being a flop critically would be a fluke in his career, not an expectancy.