The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE) - - - Part 58

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The thing about the Craig hate was that it was a part of the mainstream media for a while too (certainly in Britain anyway). In his first press conference he had to wear a lifejacket above his suit because for some reason they wanted him to arrive via speedboat. He looked ridiculous as a result and the antipathy spread from there. It was vitriolic and quite personal.

I'd say the Ledger hate was more confined to the fan community.
 
redfirebird2008 said:
Prediction: someone will come in to tell you exactly why this is "different." Calling Travesty...:oldrazz:
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I agree with Travesty on Anne though. No matter how good her performance is or how great her role is the costume won't be considered anything more than mediocre. Just like the TDK suit.
 
Travesty said:
But form what I can tell, the fans here gave The Joker more heat at first, and then totally lightened up after more pics released(The Wizard and Empire pics come to mind). The GA, on the other hand, seemed to like it on most movie websites. As for Catwoman, it seems to still be mixed with fans and the GA, regardless of where you go.
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Yeah, I remember it playing out like that. The way I see it is that Joker's look was good, once we got a good view of it--most that didn't like it were fine with the look but not with the application (make-up). Whereas the problem with Catwoman's look isn't the application but with how simple it is. I'm okay with it, but I can understand how it isn't knocking people over. There's nothing you could say is bad about her suit, but the simplicity is maybe getting in the way of some finding elements to love about it. Really, the only thing I can see there being to dislike is the lack of things to like.

It's not a big deal for me. I've never been blown away with how Batman looks in these films (Begins was best), yet I still enjoy them.
 
TinkerTailor said:
The thing about the Craig hate was that it was a part of the mainstream media for a while too (certainly in Britain anyway). In his first press conference he had to wear a lifejacket above his suit because for some reason they wanted him to arrive via speedboat. He looked ridiculous as a result and the antipathy spread from there. It was vitriolic and quite personal.

I'd say the Ledger hate was more confined to the fan community.
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They boil down to this I think:

Craig: The git isn't pretty enough to be Bond and has blonde hair!

Ledger: The F***** is too gay to be the Joker, it's going to be Brokeback Gotham, ten things I hate about Gay cowboys, ride my Batmobile Homo stuffs!
 
Eggyman said:
Yeah, I remember it playing out like that. The way I see it is that Joker's look was good, once we got a good view of it--most that didn't like it were fine with the look but not with the application (make-up). Whereas the problem with Catwoman's look isn't the application but with how simple it is. I'm okay with it, but I can understand how it isn't knocking people over. There's nothing you could say is bad about her suit, but the simplicity is maybe getting in the way of some finding elements to love about it. Really, the only thing I can see there being to dislike is the lack of things to like.

It's not a big deal for me. I've never been blown away with how Batman looks in these films (Begins was best), yet I still enjoy them.
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That really seems where most of hate is coming from.
 
Sometimes fans, and people in general, are just so shallow... :D
 
Having TDK-level marketing for TDKR is pointless, I don't get it.

What a lot of people here seem to forget is that TDK was still a gamble, in WB's eyes.

BB came out in 2005, made nearly $400M worldwide ($205M in the US, eventually), and was regarded as a moderate success. It came 8th in the US box office that year (behind HP4, Star Wars Ep.3, WOTW, The Chronicles of Narnia, Charlie and the Chocolate Factory and Wedding Crashers - yes, I'm serious about that last one).

In the WW Box Office, BB came 9th.

The film was both Christopher Nolan and Christian Bale's biggest movie to date, and they were less bankable than the director of 'Fred Claus' / 'The Change-Up', and the stars of 'Hall Pass' and 'The Dilemma'. That's the facts that WB saw at the time.

In fact, WB did not greenlight a sequel to BB until 2006, a full YEAR after BB was released. Look at the Hunger games - after one week, a sequel was greenlit, and a production schedule was organised for a 2012 release. THAT is a BANKABLE franchise. Even after BB, Batman was not.

The purpose of the viral marketing for TDK was to promote awareness of the film, which was far better than WB expected. The truth is that WB did not expect the film to explode as it did (really, the best case scenario for TDK was double the gross of BB in the US, with a WW gross of $700M total). But thanks to a number of factors, TDK was a monster hit.

Cut to TDKR. Awareness of the film is at an all time high. Compare the amount of recent marketing to films like Avengers and Prometheus. One prologue, one trailer and one poster compared to millions of dollars of marketing for other films, and TDKR is still always mentioned.

Case in point. X-Men 3 vs X-Men 2. The OW of X-Men 3 was huge. One reason was the marketing (even though all railers showed the SAME scenes, over and over). The other reason was the excellent WOM generated by X2. For TDKR, OW is guaranteed to be big, even with little marketing, because of TDK. Theres also a good chance the film will have legs, as all of Nolans previous films have done so. There's still a risk of overconfidenece, and the film may be a stinker, but there is NO way that the film will not open big.
 
Raganork8 said:
They boil down to this I think:

Craig: The git isn't pretty enough to be Bond and has blonde hair!

Ledger: The F***** is too gay to be the Joker, it's going to be Brokeback Gotham, ten things I hate about Gay cowboys, ride my Batmobile Homo stuffs!
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Yes. But I remember the Craig hate being front page headlines and actual newspaper columns, whereas that kind of trash spouted about Ledger was consigned to the dark recesses of the internet.

The long story short: people should wait for the actual film... it'll save them making fools of themselves. :whatever:
 
venus_ice said:
It's the first track I think of when I play the score! The live rendition was SO GOOD I want to die.

[YT]WQvM4EM0lO8[/YT]
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I always put on Dream is Collapsing or Mombasa first, but the live "Time" is phenomenal :up:

Raganork8 said:
From the first post:


My God (Yurka), switch Ledger for Hardy and you have SHH 6 months ago.
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:woot:

Raganork8 said:
No it'll be more like

"Yurka is not your God, what's so hard to understand about that?"

:o
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:dry:

How dare you. 5 Hail Yurka's and 5 Our Yurka's for your penance.
 
I still think the "6/10" debate was the absolute stupidest debate in the history of this forum. Those were dark, dark days that ultimately resulting in me leaving for a couple years.
 
Eggyman said:
Yeah, I remember it playing out like that. The way I see it is that Joker's look was good, once we got a good view of it--most that didn't like it were fine with the look but not with the application (make-up). Whereas the problem with Catwoman's look isn't the application but with how simple it is. I'm okay with it, but I can understand how it isn't knocking people over. There's nothing you could say is bad about her suit, but the simplicity is maybe getting in the way of some finding elements to love about it. Really, the only thing I can see there being to dislike is the lack of things to like.

It's not a big deal for me. I've never been blown away with how Batman looks in these films (Begins was best), yet I still enjoy them.
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Catwoman's simple suit complaints are the yin to the TDK jigsaw suit's yang.
 
Yurka said:
I still think the "6/10" debate was the absolute stupidest debate in the history of this forum. Those were dark, dark days that ultimately resulting in me leaving for a couple years.
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:funny:

That's the exact same reason I left for some years.
 
Now I wonder what the 6/10 debate was...
 
JB-the-Hunter said:
It's one thing to base your interest in a movie on the trailer, that's completely reasonable, I'm not interested in TDKR because of the trailer for instance.
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What else trailers are for? To get you interested in the movie. I get what this movie will be about. About gathering together a pack of superheroes, stupid remarks, inspirational speeches, Johansson's swinging **** and explosions. Not going to offend The Avengers fans here, some people might like that. And, of course, it can be a real pleasure for fans to see their idols alive and breathing in the movie.

TDKR promotional campaign is about hiding AS MUCH AS POSSIBLE. Trailer, 6-minutes intro and some other materials is sort of compromise and tease to keep people talk about it. It's not for getting people interested. People were interested long before the movie was filmed. Real TDKR campaign happened in 2008. And then, in 2010. And you, probably, are interested in TDKR since then.

It's another thing to hold TDK so highly that you can't watch any other superhero movies. TDK's a great movie, but not THAT great. That'd be like me not being able to watch Puss in Boots just because I hold Toy Story 3 to such a high regard.
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Not saying that I won't watch any other superhero movies ever. I'm just pointing, that since TDK came out, all other superhero movies, that came out after it, were almost unwatchable. And filmmakers need to try hard, to keep the bar that high.

That's not me, who holds TDK "so highly", it's just TDK is so much better than other superhero movies. You may agree with that or not, it doesn't change the fact. Is it the best movie ever? For some people - yes, for some - not. For me - it's not either.

And yes, I haven't finished Puss In Boots, because I know how good animated movie looks like. And I'm not going to waste my time on below average ones.
 
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