The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE) - - - Part 58

[Oneironaut]

It was clearly blue, btw.

Darkhunt, your avatar is pretty cool, but the guy that appears after Robin looks oodd. Who is he?

 

[Eggyman]

Thanks, mate.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Said by The Avengers fan. No offence.

Avengers fan/Batman fan/Spider-Man fan/comic book fan in general...

 

[Nevincer]

Darkhunt, your avatar is pretty cool, but the guy that appears after Robin looks oodd. Who is he?

Falafel Guy from Batman Begins.

 

[TinkerTailor]

What I am saying is that science fiction films were well regarded before Aliens (But it took Star Wars to show the potential gross that could be made - before SW, only 2001 made any serious money, and that was very low).

Before Star Wars, we had 2001, Planet of the Apes, etc. But in Aliens, a film was FINALLY recognised as having a character in a science fiction setting worthy of an acting award. That might not seem like much now, but that was the FIRST time acting in a scifi film was officially deemed worthy. Not Charlton Heston in POTA, etc.

In 2003, ROTK won an Academy Award for best Picture - the first and ONLY time a fantasy film had done so.

I'm not saying that films before these were not worse or less important - what I am saying is that movies such as Aliens, ROTK and TDK led to advancements in genre films (scifi / fantasy) that would enrich the future of cinema.

Well... not really... Alec Guiness received a Best Supporting Actor nomination for Star Wars. Jeff Bridges received a Best actor nomination for Star Man. Away from Oscars both Sigourney Weaver and John Hurt received BAFTA nominations for Alien.

I'll get back on topic now... Basically I don't really see how one acting nomination for Ledger has had any effect on Superhero movies in general. If anything his nomination and the critical success of TDK gave Nolan greater esteem as a story teller who could skirt the lines between critical acclaim and intelligent cinema.

 

[venus_ice]

Falafel Guy from Batman Begins.

This must sound so weird to other people He has to feed his kids, goddammit.

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Ah hem.

 

[Norek]

This must sound so weird to other people He has to feed his kids, goddammit.

What, they don't like falafel?

 

[The Original Bamfer]

Falafel can be taken to the lounge.

 

[Oneironaut]

Well... not really... Alec Guiness received a Best Supporting Actor nomination for Star Wars. Jeff Bridges received a Best actor nomination for Star Man. Away from Oscars both Sigourney Weaver and John Hurt received BAFTA nominations for Alien.

I'll get back on topic now... Basically I don't really see how one acting nomination for Ledger has had any effect on Superhero movies in general. If anything his nomination and the critical success of TDK gave Nolan greater esteem as a story teller who could skirt the lines between critical acclaim and intelligent cinema.

It's funny how Ledger won an Oscar and Hiddleston was snobbed of at least a nomination, when both gave similarly good interpretations

 

[Norek]

It's funny how Ledger won an Oscar and Hiddleston was snobbed of at least a nomination, when both gave similarly good interpretations

Academy loves those 'transformation' performances - like the one Heath gave. Hiddleston was good, but I don't think he gave a similar performance compared to Heath.

 

[mad-sci]

Didn't realise about the other nominations - fair enough, but I still feel that Weaver's nomination was more impressive considering it was a female lead role, in a scifi setting, in an R-rated action film.

The reason I bring up Ledgers acting nomination having an effect on CBMs is that it has led to a change in how actors approach them. You might scoff, but the fact that CBMs can now possibly lead to acting nominations will definitely influence actors who would NEVER associate themselves with these sorts of roles beforehand. E.g. Russell Crowe in Man of Steel, Natalie Portman in Thor, Michael Shannon in Jonah Hex (unfortunate....) and Man of Steel.

The overall effect would be better prestige for CBMs and therefore better recognition.

In terms of TDKR, the high class of recognised acting continues with Anne Hathaway and Tom Hardy, both Oscar nominated. The fact that Nolan was able to attract such a well regarded group of actors for his Batman trilogy will elevate CBMs in general.

 

[kvz5]

Hardy has never been nominated for an Oscar.

 

[Bane_Fanboy]

Hardy has never been nominated for an Oscar.

He should have been though t:

 

[The Original Bamfer]

I don't think Ledger's Oscar is what gets A-list stars interested in comicbook movies. They're action, comedy, drama and fantasy all rolled into one genre. And they're as common as bad horror flicks. It's the same reason A-listers do cartoons/voice animated characters; these types of movies are "in" and broaden an actor's career. It's the same with musicals. Superheroes, animated flicks and musicals are dominating the screen.

 

[Norek]

I think Nolan will be snubbed again.

Academy Member #1: (looking at the list) Nolan? Nolan! (to Academy Member #2) Why isn't he on the list, dad?
Academy Member #2: Because we have to snub him.
Academy Member #1: He didn't do anything wrong!
Academy Member #2: Because he's the filmmaker Hollywood deserves, but not the one it needs right now... So we'll snub him. Because he can take it...

I do hope Nolan gets a nomination for TDKR, dunno if it'll happen though.

 

[JB-the-Hunter]

Academy loves those 'transformation' performances - like the one Heath gave. Hiddleston was good, but I don't think he gave a similar performance compared to Heath.

He just might in The Avengers though, they say he gave the best performance of the cast.

 

[mad-sci]

Oops, you're right about Hardy - He won the BIFA award in 2009 for Bronson (not even nominated for an Oscar - awful!)

Mind you, Oldman wasn't even nominated for an Oscar until Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy.

 

[malnat11]

With the tupac hologram shown at the Coachella festival looking lifelike do you think Warner Bros could of done something with Ledgers Joker in TDKR!

 

[Kane52630]

...oh boy....not this again.

 

[venus_ice]

Hardy has never been nominated for an Oscar.

He will soon enough. Batman and the Joker already have their Oscars. I'm already campaigning for Ben.

 

[Sharkboy]

Yeah Hardy will get a nom pretty soon.

 

[Nevincer]

He will soon enough. Batman and the Joker already have their Oscars. I'm already campaigning for Ben.

 

[craigdbfan]

The Wettest County might get him one.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

The Wettest County might get him one.

You mean... Lawless.