The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE)

[kvz5]

About Bruce and Selina at the end....just throwing around ideas but Bruce was going to kill Chill at the beginning of his journey but that chance was taken from him. Bane may take somebody from Selina and she manages to take her chance. They're not really that different situations because both had intent. I think Bruce could be able to see this and the parts of himself in her. And perhaps want to help her grow and work through things like he did over the course of BB/TDk/TDKR. A part of Batman, be it with Robin or some other person, is passing on knowledge and being a father type figure and become a better person. He doesn't have to be fine with her action, but he could understand.

Yes to understanding her but no to trying to live a life with her in the scenario that she kills Bane. He might understand and even forgive her but I don't see him trying to live a happy life with her if she kills Bane when he's against it. It defeats the purpose of people wanting her to kill Bane. The two ideas just don't compliment each other. I think it would serve better if even after he forgave (and understood) her, he still handcuffed her and surrendered her to Gordon. Now that's tragic. Something like that.

Assuming of course that Bruce lives. Now if he dies, all of this is a moot point.

 

[Yurka]

I maintain that it needs to make you feel at worst uncomfortable, and at best make you want to look away, anything less than that and I don't think the impact will be quite the same. Big problem with most superhero movies is that the hero doesn't really earn the victory.

Totally agree. If the shot of bloodied Bruce in the trailer is any indication I think we'll see quite a destructive beat-down. The fight has to be more than a typical "I lost tonight, I'll get him tomorrow night". We have to really see that this fight broke him, and for him to come back he'll need to spend a large amount of time healing.

 

[kvz5]

Bane can give Bruce all the beating that he wants as long as I get my training montage! I love me some montage.

 

[Yurka]

Bane can give Bruce all the beating that he wants as long as I get my training montage! I love me some montage.

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[AnneFan]

I think it has themes going for it as I posted above. But we'll just have to see.

If Batman becomes a legend to Gotham because of an apparent sacrifice, it does make we wonder where on Earth he would go to. As said in BB, the world is too small for a man like Bruce Wayne to disappear.

 

[Travesty]

Pretty hard to scream or plead for your life when your gagged.. maybe you should watch the scene again before you make unjustified criticisms.

Why do I have to go back and watch the scene that I just explained in detail? I was responding to the fact that some didn't realize Lau burned. I just explained those reasons pretty bluntly. The entire scene doesn't make it apparent that Lau is burning alive, hence, why I think the scene is sloppy in explaining that detail. Yes, he is gagged, and Nolan could have made it so he was screaming, but since he's not screaming and is gagged, he should have put more attention to the fact that he was still on the pile of money. He didn't, and instead, diverted your attention completely away from Lau, all while flipping through different scenes before The Joker even torched the money. That, to me, is totally justifiable why I think the scene doesn't work to its proper effect, and also why some didn't realize it at first.

I don't think this has to be explained any further. All I'm doing, is explaining why it's easy to miss: simple.

 

[Yurka]

Why do I have to go back and watch the scene that I just explained in detail? I was responding to the fact that some didn't realize Lau burned. I just explained those reasons pretty bluntly. The entire scene doesn't make it apparent that Lau is burning alive, hence, why I think the scene is sloppy in explaining that detail. Yes, he is gagged, and Nolan could have made it so he was screaming, but since he's not screaming and is gagged, he should have put more attention to the fact that he was still on the pile of money. He didn't, and instead, diverted your attention completely away from Lau, all while flipping through different scenes before The Joker even torched the money. That, to me, is totally justifiable why I think the scene doesn't work to its proper effect, and also why some didn't realize it at first.

I don't think this has to be explained any further. All I'm doing, is explaining why it's easy to miss: simple.

If we saw, or heard, Lau being burned to death, that would have almost certainly constituted an R-Rating. Who knows, maybe there was footage of him burning and screaming but it was removed to fall into a PG-13.

 

[Van Petrol]

If we're going on the trend of the past two films, then Id expect the last shot/scene to include Batman and Gordon.

 

[AnneFan]

As for handing Selina over to the police, I don’t know. Bruce is about the right thing and all that, but would he give up on somebody similar to himself? If Selina has nobody else, he could serve as the moral support like Rachel did to him. She slapped Bruce, told him his father would be ashamed but ultimately they were still friends.

 

[Sharkboy]

Why do I have to go back and watch the scene that I just explained in detail? I was responding to the fact that some didn't realize Lau burned. I just explained those reasons pretty bluntly. The entire scene doesn't make it apparent that Lau is burning alive, hence, why I think the scene is sloppy in explaining that detail. Yes, he is gagged, and Nolan could have made it so he was screaming, but since he's not screaming and is gagged, he should have put more attention to the fact that he was still on the pile of money. He didn't, and instead, diverted your attention completely away from Lau, all while flipping through different scenes before The Joker even torched the money. That, to me, is totally justifiable why I think the scene doesn't work to its proper effect, and also why some didn't realize it at first.

I don't think this has to be explained any further. All I'm doing, is explaining why it's easy to miss: simple.

It works perfectly fine, any attention given to the fact that there was a man being burnt alive in that scene would certainly not fly with the censors. Nolan's hands were tied, but personally i find it neat that such a thing could happen in a pg-13 film, even if it takes you two viewings to realise it, it was a nice moment. (obviously not for Lau)

 

[Travesty]

If we saw, or heard, Lau being burned to death, that would have almost certainly constituted an R-Rating. Who knows, maybe there was footage of him burning and screaming but it was removed to fall into a PG-13.

Someone posted a pretty good Star Wars analogy. If Star Wars can have a PG13 rating(or is it PG?) with Anakin getting his limbs chopped off and his flesh burning, then I don't think it would be impossible to retain a PG13 rating with some kind of indicator to Lau's death.

Overall, I do find Lau's death to be a big letdown, especially after they focused so much time and effort into an elaborate scheme to break him out of the GCPD. And after all that time and attention was devoted to that moment, it turned into an underwhelming and rather sloppy scene. I mean, I caught it on my first viewing, but I can easily see how some could miss it, so I gave my reason why.

 

[Yurka]

Someone posted a pretty good Star Wars analogy. If Star Wars can have a PG13 rating(or is it PG?) with Anakin getting his limbs chopped off and his flesh burning, then I don't think it would be impossible to retain a PG13 rating with some kind of indicator to Lau's death.

True, but the whole "fantasy" element does play a part in the way the MPAA operates. It's the reason some movies are allowed to depict more violence, Captain America recently comes to mind (Hydra agent chopped to bloody bits in plane propellor). Now granted "fantasy" can be subjective but for the most part Nolan's Batman is very rooted in the real world.

Overall, I do find Lau's death to be a big letdown, especially after they focused so much time and effort into an elaborate scheme to break him out of the GCPD. And after all that time and attention was devoted to that moment, it turned into an underwhelming and rather sloppy scene. I mean, I caught it on my first viewing, but I can easily see how some could miss it, so I gave my reason why.

I thought it was a let down only because we had that set-pic from Andres of the pile of money on fire with Lau on top in flames. If I hadn't have seen that I wouldn't have been too disappointed I don't think, definitely not as much as the Gambol "execution"...

 

[Solidus]

Lau was just the person they were trying to get to find the mobs money, nothing more. I cared less if it showed him burn alive or not. It was about the money, not Lau.

 

[JackWhite]

Lau was just the person they were trying to get to find the mobs money, nothing more. I cared less if it showed him burn alive or not. It was about the money, not Lau.

But it's not about the money, but rather sending a message.

 

[AnneFan]

Kill two birds with one stone. Or in this case, one cigar.

 

[JackWhite]

Kill two birds with one stone. Or in this case, one cigar.

Haha indeed.

 

[AF3619]

I can't ever look at the shot the same without knowing that's not actually Michelle Pfeiffer but a robot dummy.

Either way, I hopeful we see another Batman shot at the end of TDKR.

wait, i didn´t know that (newbie) , a robot dummy?

 

[Ant-LOX]

Yeah, the BR Blu ray extras show you how it was done, really trippy.

I'm sure there will also be a cool 45 minute featurette on the entire Lau storyline on the 6 Disc Box set released next year.

Lau was important for 20 minutes, Then the Joker became more and more important.

He burned him alive on top of money, I spotted it the first run-through, but with Nolan's fast scenes, it could easily be missed.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Yeah, the BR Blu ray extras show you how it was done, really trippy.

I'm sure there will also be a cool 45 minute featurette on the entire Lau storyline on the 6 Disc Box set released next year.

Lau was important for 20 minutes, Then the Joker became more and more important.

He burned him alive on top of money, I spotted it the first run-through, but with Nolan's fast scenes, it could easily be missed.

6 disc box set? Someone's a dreamer..........

 

[Travesty]

Looks like someone really badly wants to see Lau burned to death. what were you expecting? To get a close up of a man's flesh melt off his face, and the rest of his body being reduced to charcoal and ash while his blood curdling screams drown out the dialogue between Joker and the mobster.. all this in a PG-13 movie.. yeah this doesn't take away from the story in anyway either, in fact it focuses on the most important aspect, seeing an asian dude get burned alive .

Looks like you missed my point, yet again. I never said it needs to be some graphic gory mess, you just did.

some people just don't get it.

I can tell.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I present to you, the Anne Facepalm.

BTW, Her hair........ I like it.

 

[Travesty]

I still don't see the point in focusing on Lau burning, when Joker and the mobster are having dialogue reflecting joker's motivations, besides of course satisfying your disturbing blood-lust.

 

[Ant-LOX]

The 3 seconds of him atop a burning pile of money was enough for me.

Implying violence gets the point across sometimes more than showing it.

 

[Monicabbm]

Hong Kong:

Source: http://collider.com/the-dark-knight-rises-rating-pg-13/157874/

 

[Gotham]

Why does it feel like the Dark Knight had so much more hype and buzz? Around this time, people were already starting to go crazy over the film. I don't know... just a feeling I have. Anyone agree?