The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE)

[Tacit Ronin]

Oh, I agree with you. I would have preferred no music at all, also. Its just that I find that small snippet of music being included as random. Its like they were servicing something by having it in there. Should have stuck with what they were going for in the rest of the scene and not included that random bit of music. I guess, they needed something to add to the epicness of the Batpod bursting out of the tumbler but couldn't think of a good way to stop the music so they just clipped it off with the breaking sound effect when the Batpod tore the mirror off. It just felt sloppy right there.

The Batpod scene wouldn't be nearly as epic without the swelling music.

 

[MagnarTheGreat]

Is there any relevance to the length of the film if it has been done for a while now? That Variety reporter really startled me when he said it's just over 2 hours around the time when it was screened for the studio bosses. Gill said closer to 3 hours.

 

[Marvolo]

The Batpod scene wouldn't be nearly as epic without the swelling music.

No doubt. I guess its the lesser of the two evils. We get the swelling music, but a slightly awkward cut off. I can deal with that. Its just an awkward part of the scene for me. Badass scene nonetheless.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

I don't see the actual film being three hours. Avatar length at most, TDK length is a safe bet.

 

[Marvolo]

I'm guessing 2 hours 30 minutes - 2 hours 45 minutes.

What ever runtime serves the story best is what I wnat, tho.

 

[The_Raganork]

It certainly could be three hours though. there's plenty of indicators that this film would be longer than TDK from Wally's words about not being sure how they were going to shoot it all, to production rumors about splitting the movie in two, to Gill's most recent comments

 

[Marvolo]

There were rumors of splitting the film???

 

[Tacit Ronin]

There were rumors of splitting the film???

Hilarious, baseless rumors. Hilarious nonetheless.

 

[Bane_Fanboy]

Two cuts of the film exist - a R cut and a PG-13 cut. Whichever one has a stronger reaction from test audiences, Fox will submit that one to the MPAA and receive the official rating. But how exactly would they do that unless both cuts were already finished (or close to it)?

Prometheus is just under two months away. I promise you the film itself is mostly finished. It's really just a matter of deciding which cut of the film will make more money.

well thanks for explaining in detail i did not know that. hmmmm for prometheus and ridley I would expect an R cut of the film because its worked great for Alien. BUT that all depends on what exactly is R about it. If its PG13 than its more accessible and can still be dark and scary minus the blood which isnt necessary. what do you think

 

[The_Raganork]

In the summer, some rumors went around about it being thought about splitting TDKR in two. Not that it was going to happen, not that it was favored just that the thought had come up because there was going to be tons of footage and the film would run very long.

Nothing else was said about it and Nolan finished up production for the summer.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Didn't it stem from marketing the film in the same vein as the last HP?

 

[Boom]

To even consider splitting TDKR into two films, the film itself would have had to be at least four hours long.

 

[Marvolo]

Thank god it wasn't split! If Nolan had thought it was best I would have rolled with it, but I'm glad it didn't come to that.

Deathly Hallows needed a split due to it being a pre-existing tome of a book but TDKR is an original film that could be manipulated into a working single film runtime. I just can't see it benefiting the film all that much.

 

[The_Raganork]

Didn't it stem from marketing the film in the same vein as the last HP?

Not sure but I don't think so, I think it was out of a worry that the film would be too long...

To even consider splitting TDKR into two films, the film itself would have to have been at least four hours long.

Indeed but keep in mind the film was still shooting at the time so the run-time was unknown, it was simply looking at what was done at the time and what there was still to do and it appeared to be a lot to fit in one movie at the time, so the thought came up.

Now that doesn't mean they ever intended to split the film but it does imply that they were shooting A LOT and the film would be long.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Rag, do you think if the film is indeed three hours long the suits would pressure Nolan to cut it down?

 

[J.Howlett]

This is highly unusual for a film of this size to get a rating this quickly.

Having said that, Nolan and company started working on this script in late of 2008. Nolan's the kind of filmmaker who does his editing in the script phase.

Considering that, I guess it is possible that he knew exactly, going in, what he needed, got it, and edited the film to a point where it's could be done minus polishing the visual effects and score.

Still, if this is true, talk about efficiency. Not to mention, I'm sure it'll come out that he came in under budget, again.

 

[Boom]

Well, one page of a script usually amounts to one minute of footage on screen - give or take. A four-hour movie would have a script of 240 pages or so. It's true that you never know the exact runtime until you've cut the film, but a shooting script would give you a basic idea.

As for the amount of footage being shot, that could just be a matter of wanting to cover shots/scenes from every possible angle. Not to mention shooting multiple takes for action/stunt scenes.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

J Howlet, your Avatar and mine's in close proximity made me realize something, much of this film is lit almost like a silent film. What colour is there is phased out.

 

[Yurka]

Dark Knight came in at 167 pages, and I don't know exactly how long DKR's script was but I was told there was enough content in the script to cover two-movies. I'm sure it was close to 200, if not more, and that was the shooting script. Average about a minute per page and boom.

 

[Marvolo]

Rag, do you think if the film is indeed three hours long the suits would pressure Nolan to cut it down?

Not a chance. They loved the cut they were shown, and gave a standing ovation.

 

[The_Raganork]

Rag, do you think if the film is indeed three hours long the suits would pressure Nolan to cut it down?

I don't know, it's a very hard question to answer.

On one hand we were hearing he was shooting a lot and felt a lot of it was critical, so there wouldn't be a lot of deleted scenes (not that there ever were)

but on the other hand we have the idea of shooting a three hour film and what that means for showtimes in theaters.

If it is three hour, there's no way they're going to ask him to cut it down.

It's a matter of what Nolan shot and what he's keeping, which is very hard to tell at this very moment.

 

[Boom]

well thanks for explaining in detail i did not know that. hmmmm for prometheus and ridley I would expect an R cut of the film because its worked great for Alien. BUT that all depends on what exactly is R about it. If its PG13 than its more accessible and can still be dark and scary minus the blood which isnt necessary. what do you think

My heart says R.
My head says PG-13.

The film looks great, and is getting a huge amount of buzz. If I were Fox, I'd take a chance with the R cut. But I honestly wouldn't be surprised if they opted for the PG-13 cut, as that would make the film more accessible.

 

[The_Raganork]

Dark Knight came in at 167 pages, and I don't know exactly how long DKR's script was but I was told there was enough content in the script to cover two-movies. I'm sure it was close to 200, if not more, and that was the shooting script. Average about a minute per page and boom.

Didn't Wally say somewhere how long the script was? like 200-300?

 

[J.Howlett]

J Howlet, your Avatar and mine's in close proximity made me realize something, much of this film is lit almost like a silent film. What colour is there is phased out.

You might be right.

 

[Yurka]

Didn't Wally say somewhere how long the script was? like 200-300?

I think he was referencing the "fatty" script, not the shooting script.