The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread (NOT A LOUNGE)

[dark_b]

the movie needs to be finished 3-4 weeks before the premiere. they need to make all teh reels. and everthing that goes to showing the movie in the theater. so if the movie is finished 2 months before the deadline its nothing new. a lot movies are finished like that.

but i understand that batman fans are trying to make this something special. from what i understand being a nolan fanboy is not just being a fanboy from his movies. everything that Nolan does needs to be and feel special so that some fans feel special. i get it. its the last batman movie from Nolan. the batman movies are the reason why you become fans from him. he also made the very good Inception movie. so no complaint here. i undersand your behaviour. but its nothing special to finish a july movie 2-3 months before the premiere.

and Boom. since i am already writting this. Prometheus is going to be PG13. this was the decision in 2011 when they started filming. there is a small chance that they will realese a special extended version for the bluray which they will call r rated. and just to make something clear. 2 months before the premiere the f... studio knows the f... rating. they already had test screening. there is no way that they are in april scrathing heads which version(PG13 or R) to use.

 

[Anita18]

It's stunning to me that Nolan has this film pretty much done 3 months out.

This guy knew what he wanted from the get go. I really want to know how much he came under, in terms of budget. He's done that 4 films in a row, I think.

The only times I've seen where films get MPAA ratings this early out is when they're still looking for a distributor haha. To have one under contract be done 3 months early must be some kind of record, even for Nolan.

IIRC both TDK and Inception were finished a few weeks early. I think Wally had mentioned they started the color-timing for Inception two weeks before schedule.

Budget, we can never really trust in terms of numbers. Studios will always underestimate, pundits will always overestimate. The truth is always somewhere in the middle, I figure...

 

[dark_b]

Budget, we can never really trust in terms of numbers. Studios will always underestimate, pundits will always overestimate. The truth is always somewhere in the middle, I figure...

i agree. but its true that Nolan never goes over budget. it helps that he makes movies a lot on location. and when you do on location its easier to know how much money it will cost. when oyu have tons of CGI its hard to know the budget at the end. but Nolan is a smart guy when it comes to money.
i think TDK and Inception was more expensive that was reported.. but he made the movie for the amount of money that WB and Nolan agreed before filming. so he didnt go over budget. which is why WB respects him so much.

 

[J.Howlett]

but i understand that batman fans are trying to make this something special. from what i understand being a nolan fanboy is not just being a fanboy from his movies. everything that Nolan does needs to be and feel special so that some fans feel special. i get it. its the last batman movie from Nolan. the batman movies are the reason why you become fans from him. he also made the very good Inception movie. so no complaint here. i undersand your behaviour. but its nothing special to finish a july movie 2-3 months before the premiere.

It only feels special because in this day and age, it doesn't get done like this. Of course films need to be finished early but with the way the turnarounds happen on productions these days, it's slightly amazing that this film is mostly in the can 3 months out.

And a lot of fans of Nolan didn't become fans of his because of Batman Begins. His fanbase practically stated with Memento.

 

[dark_b]

It only feels special because in this day and age, it doesn't get done like this. Of course films need to be finished early but with the way the turnarounds happen on productions these days, it's slightly amazing that this film is mostly in the can 3 months out.
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context. context and context. its not a heavy CGI(i know that they will use a lot CGI for the earthquake and building) movie. i bet there is not a single shot in this movie that is 100% CGI. which means that they could start editing the first second. after months its no suprise that this is finished. this is a big scale movie. i know. and i know that they will use a lot CGI for the final third act and the big action. but if every shot has some from the location its easier to edit.

i personal think that we need to compare a movie like TDKR to another movie that has so much practical effects. for example it would not be fair to compare this ot POTC movies,John Carter,transformers,...

 

[J.Howlett]

When's the last big summer film you've seen that was mostly practical, in terms of special effects in the last 10 years...? I'm talking the big, big tentpoles....

Nolan's last three are the only ones that spring to mind.

I would say Hunger Games but that doesn't qualify...and even that one was down to the wire and that film was mostly practical. Fast Five, I guess, would count but even the last two films in that franchise had a lot of CG in them, if you really look at the pictures.

 

[The_Raganork]

context. context and context. its not a heavy CGI(i know that they will use a lot CGI for the earthquake and building) movie. i bet there is not a single shot in this movie that is 100% CGI. which means that they could start editing the first second. after months its no suprise that this is finished. this is a big scale movie. i know. and i know that they will use a lot CGI for the final third act and the big action. but if every shot has some from the location its easier to edit.

i personal think that we need to compare a movie like TDKR to another movie that has so much practical effects. for example it would not be fair to compare this ot POTC movies,John Carter,transformers,...

Well first of all there's a lot of premature assumptions in this. TDKR may very much well be heavy with CGI. In fact we have indications that this will have more CGI than BB and TDK but no indicator of where that ends.

Secondly this is supposedly a very long movie and when crafting a story like this it might take time to edited the entire thing. Especially if it's closer to three hours.

Third: even practical effects need some CGI helping every now and then.

It is surprising this film appears to be finished 3 months before it's release and if true it will be a feat. It's something to really be impressed with.

 

[Norek]

The cool thing though, about the movie being finished so early, is that they'll have more than enough time to polish everything, create the ultimate cut and deliver big times. Hopefully.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Wasn't there an article claiming there was actually more CGI/visual effects work in The Dark Knight than there was in Inception?

 

[rashad]

Wasn't there an article claiming there was actually more CGI/visual effects work in The Dark Knight than there was in Inception?

Wired.com: With all this amazing imagery in Inception, did you spend a lot of time waiting for things to render?

Franklin: Actually, the visual effects shot count on Inception was about par with what we had on Batman Begins. We came in at about 500 shots, whereas Batman was about 620. That’s actually fairly minor when compared to some of today’s visual effects epics, which can have something like 1,500 or 2,000 VFX shots. Our goal was to build on the existing reality that’d already been filmed.

http://www.wired.com/underwire/2010/07/inception-visual-effects/

 

[Street Vendor]

I hope nobody gets screenings till release date because I dont want to accidentally be on this forum 2 months in advanced only to find out that the ending & entire film is spoiled which I will be pissed about.

I don't want to know details about the film, but I do want to hear how well the movie is put together, the performances, etc.

 

[Miranda Fox]

I really doubt the film is 100% finished, Nolan makes tweaks up until the last minute. The rating just indicates that it is solidly formed and that shouldn't be a surprise really.

I'm more interested in the indication that the marketing should be kick-starting soon...

 

[Kane52630]

Like with most high profile films the rough cut is usually the final cut but without all the special effects or a rough render of the CGI.

 

[Sith Scotti]

Ther film is pretty much done if earned a rating already . Now if Nolan wanted to be practical joker he could add some cgi decapitated heads flying off duering exposions . Why is anyone shocked? He is one of those directors who takes priode in coming in on or under budget . No wasteful spending on scenes that he knows will not make the film .

 

[The_Raganork]

There's a little more to editing than just cutting scenes out...

 

[Sith Scotti]

There's a little more to editing than just cutting scenes out...

Of course . I am just stating he doesn't have an hour of cut footage on his dvds for a reason ....

 

[The_Raganork]

Yeah, he is efficient but still three months in advanced and being done with the final cut possibly or very near to the final cut is quite an accomplishment, even for Nolan. This is not some run of the mill feat.

Take into account the possible length of the film, the claims that this is his most action packed film yet, CGI, Bane's voice and the fact that this is the last one and I have to say if Nolan has come to a close end this early I have a new found respect and appreciation for him as an artist.

Though, I suppose that respect would have to wait til I see the quality of the film, it is possible, however unlikely, that he just rushed the effort and there's a lackluster film waiting for us.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that The Dark Knight Rises and The Amazing Spider-Man are gonna be the best CBMs this year as far as storytelling.


Action..... I think the Avengers wins.


Scope..... TDKR.

 

[SpideyFan866]

Yeah, he is efficient but still three months in advanced and being done with the final cut possibly or very near to the final cut is quite an accomplishment, even for Nolan. This is not some run of the mill feat.

Take into account the possible length of the film, the claims that this is his most action packed film yet, CGI, Bane's voice and the fact that this is the last one and I have to say if Nolan has come to a close end this early I have a new found respect and appreciation for him as an artist.

Though, I suppose that respect would have to wait til I see the quality of the film, it is possible, however unlikely, that he just rushed the effort and there's a lackluster film waiting for us.

Agreed. I highly doubt this film was rushed. From some rumors I've heard, Nolan began editing the film while they were still filiming this past summer.

I think this current news of him being primarily done lends credence to that.

 

[Ant-LOX]

I wonder if they needed to add any additional snow effects to the film.

I heard early, early rumors of them getting aerial footage of NY during the snow storms of early 2011, I wonder if those were true.

 

[SpideyFan866]

I wonder if they needed to add any additional snow effects to the film.

I heard early, early rumors of them getting aerial footage of NY during the snow storms of early 2011, I wonder if those were true.

I heard that too but I doubt it unless they were shot somewhat low or in specific locations. They wouldn't use shots of the NY skyline.

But I do think they will be adding some more effects.

As seen by the trailers, they have altered the lighting and they likely are adding additional snow effects.

 

[The_Raganork]

I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say that The Dark Knight Rises and The Amazing Spider-Man are gonna be the best CBMs this year as far as storytelling.


Action..... I think the Avengers wins.


Scope..... TDKR.

I know people on each one of those productions, I think we're going to have a ball this summer. Everything out of each camp has been good, and this is not official words these are honest opinions.

I think it'll be summed up this way:

Avengers and TDKR are going to be repeats of Iron Man and TDK. There's going to be love for both of them...one of them is going to have better acclaim but overall people are going to fall to both sides pretty evenly. TDKR won't even feel like the same kind of film as Avengers and thusly the competition will somewhat cease to exist.

Spider-Man will do well but It will be quickly apparent it came out at the wrong time, it being a origins story and so heavily resembling BB, I think it's going to be on the bottom end of these three films. Not taken as bad but just not up to snuff with the other two. I think in years to come people are going to look back at TASM and say: "You know this wasn't half bad"

But with viewers still reeling from Avengers (and it's startling end) and bracing for TDKR and it's legendary conclusion, TASM is just going to be lost in the formula.

 

[The_Raganork]

I wonder if they needed to add any additional snow effects to the film.

I heard early, early rumors of them getting aerial footage of NY during the snow storms of early 2011, I wonder if those were true.

I wish someone would pin down this rumor as I've heard it too but I heard Nolan was only location scouting at the time and looking at how NYC looked with snow keeping in mind how he wanted TDKR to look like.

To be fair when they shot there was not that much fake snow around, just barely, I don't think it's going to be a winter wonderland in this film but perhaps that's being done in post.

 

[The_Raganork]

I heard that too but I doubt it unless they were shot somewhat low or in specific locations. They wouldn't use shots of the NY skyline.

But I do think they will be adding some more effects.

As seen by the trailers, they have altered the lighting and they likely are adding additional snow effects.

They use a shot of the skyline in the trailer...

 

[Yurka]

I wish someone would pin down this rumor as I've heard it too but I heard Nolan was only location scouting at the time and looking at how NYC looked with snow keeping in mind how he wanted TDKR to look like.

To be fair when they shot there was not that much fake snow around, just barely, I don't think it's going to be a winter wonderland in this film but perhaps that's being done in post.

I think it was in Feb. 2011 that we heard about him getting aerial plates in New York. And at least in Pittsburgh there was a good amount of snow for a few scenes (Blake at the orphanage, Tumblers patrolling alleyways), but just a light dusting like you mentioned for the rest.