The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 32

[Gianakin_]

I do tend to agree with dragonator, batman is a creature of the night, he belongs in the night.

That said if its something pretty important i can't imagine bruce sat there saying 'i'll be there, just give it a few hours, be dark soon' He's dedicated to the cause, Nolan's Batman is grounded in reality and in reality, Bruce would don the suit at any time of day.

It'd just be better if bane decided to strike at night, that Joker fellow had the right idea

This whole argument reminds me of TIH, where Ross says that when Banner hulked out for the 1st time, people died. Many posters hated the idea and thought that the screenwriters shouldn't include such scenarios, no matter how much sense they made.

It's the same thing here. Nolan doesn't have to write Bane attacking or the final fight during daytime. It's a choice that (hopefully and in this case, probably) serves a purpose. Nolan's trying to make a point by getting Batman out of his element.

 

[KalMart]

Look at it as Nolan challenging the mythos...as a criminal mastermind may challenge Batman...seeing if the cover of night is a crutch for the city's protector. Maybe he's challenging Batman to prove that he's a true hero without so much of the advantage of fear or being afraid of the dark. Like, come out and show me what you've got without as much of the theatricality and mystique. I've got hostages that I'll start killing in a few minutes...and it's daytime.....are you going to wait for the dark? Because I won't. And so on....

More of a planned out challenge on the filmmaker's part, instead of a more arbitrary change for the sake of something different.....as part of the final chapter.

 

[Gianakin_]

Look at it as Nolan challenging the mythos...as a criminal mastermind may challenge Batman...seeing if the cover of night is a crutch for the city's protector. Maybe he's challenging Batman to prove that he's a true hero without so much of the advantage of fear or being afraid of the dark. Like, come out and show me what you've got without as much of the theatricality and mystique. I've got hostages that I'll start killing in a few minutes...and it's daytime.....are you going to wait for the dark? Because I won't. And so on....

More of a planned out challenge on the filmmaker's part, instead of a more arbitrary change for the sake of something different.....as part of the final chapter.

Another great post that will deliberately go unnoticed.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I was actually fairly disappointed with Bane and Catwoman at first, but then I realized that he's a pretty great villain to end the trilogy with.

About Batman in daylight:

If he can do it in comics like Batman Inc., why is it an issue here?

Apparently, Batman's suit wasn't meant to be seen on a cold December afternoon. It's fashion crime at it's highest.

 

[the dmg]

9/11 actually happened in real life, and was executed by real terrorists. Bane isn't real, neither is Gotham or Batman. It shouldn't matter what happens in real life, cause these movies are fictional.


I don't find it that ridiculous. It's just the kind of atmosphere that certain people like to see their favorite characters in.

Is it ridiculous that Star Wars fans get mad at all the new implementations of the original trilogy? People get picky over these things, cause it's what they grew up with, and how they see the character. I see Batman working only in the night, just as someone doesn't want to hear Vader scream "noooooo" at the end of ROTJ.

*I know that's not the best analogy, but it's the only extremely picky nerd example I could come up with at the moment.

Definitely not the best analogy. That's completely different, IMO.

To me, the night setting adds to the mythos of the character.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

I suppose the batman in daylight thing comes from what kind of batman fan you are and what comics you come from, then there are those that will defend Nolan no matter what he does, then when he's done move on to whomever does the next reboot and mock Nolan.(see Raimi vs Webb)

Lets not forget that Kane (and Finger) created Batman as a 'creature' of the night, literally that, the crooks of gotham were never quite sure if The bat'man was a man dressed as a bat or a human bat hybrid, because they never got a real good look at him, meaning a case of chinese whispers amongst the underworld (not including the main Bat rogues).

Then these those that grew up with Adam west, i dont ever remember a scene at night in the seasons it ran.

Theres also as mentioned later comics where he's quite happy to go out in daylight, to do whater it takes as in reality i'm sure he would. it all boils down to what YOUR source material is. mine is 1980's batman.

 

[CapedCrusader14]

I believe Batman will probably be seen in daylight in the final act.

Gotham is about to go to war, Batman can't just sit and wait till night. He has to do the right thing.

 

[The_Raganork]

Again, there's no reason to think it will be good without knowing the context, either. So I'm just as entitled to my opinion as you are.

You can type...but do you read?

You need not like the idea. Dislike it all you want but there comes a point in time where you have to say: "Well I don't like but i also have not seen it. So there's always a maybe"

When you say for certain it's stupid and won't work you're just being an annoyance to the board. Mostly because that has no room for discussion.

So again.

You can dislike that idea. I can like the idea.

I cannot tell you Batman in the daytime in TDKR is going to be the most awesomest thing ever for fact; because batman should always be in the daytime.

you cannot tell me batman in the Daytime in TDKR is going to be the most stupidest thing ever for fact; because batman should always be in the shadows.

For Christmas I wish upon you the ability to discuss these films in a relevant context to the films and the overall lore of Batman instead of this long drawn out and annoying idea that your opinion is fact because that's how things have always been done; this alone will always be countered with: "Well we're doing something new"

 

[Boom]

And forcing Batman out of his element and making him sacrifice his advantage for the sake of saving innocent lives doesn't add anything to the mythos?

 

[KalMart]

Well, I think some see it too arbitrarily....like 'the writer can just have Superman lose his powers...'...simplistic and pedantic change for the sake of being different. I think with Nolan's past and films, the settings all seem to be interesting and have good context...its hardly ever a choice without good substance. So I may not always look forward to just any scene with Batman in daylight...but I do look forward to this one.

 

[Travesty]

Definitely not the best analogy. That's completely different, IMO.

How so?

To me, the night setting adds to the mythos of the character.

I don't see how it does. There are instances where Batman has been seen in daylight, so it doesn't necessarily add anything to it. It's just ones preference of what kind of setting/atmosphere you like to see your characters in.

 

[Gianakin_]

I suppose the batman in daylight thing comes from what kind of batman fan you are and what comics you come from, then there are those that will defend Nolan no matter what he does, then when he's done move on to whomever does the next reboot and mock Nolan.(see Raimi vs Webb)

Lets not forget that Kane (and Finger) created Batman as a 'creature' of the night, literally that, the crooks of gotham were never quite sure if The bat'man was a man dressed as a bat or a human bat hybrid, because they never got a real good look at him, meaning a case of chinese whispers amongst the underworld (not including the main Bat rogues).

Then these those that grew up with Adam west, i dont ever remember a scene at night in the seasons it ran.

Theres also as mentioned later comics where he's quite happy to go out in daylight, to do whater it takes as in reality i'm sure he would. it all boils down to what YOUR source material is. mine is 1980's batman.

The great thing with Nolan is that it takes elements from every era and incarnation of Batman. Yes, Kane and Finger wrote him as a creature of the night. They also wrote him a killer. They also wrote a fat, inconsequential Gordon. There are good and bad things to each Batman era. Nolan takes the ones he thinks are best, most interesting and perhaps most challenging. It's a good thing he has such an open mind about the source material.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

BA, that's fine, but it has nothing to do with defending Nolan. I've had my criticisms of his Bat flicks, but I'm extremely open-minded in certain aspects of the character and mythology.

 

[Boom]

Doesn't Batman come out in the daytime quite often in The Justice League?

 

[B.A. Baracus]

You can type...but do you read?

You need not like the idea. Dislike it all you want but there comes a point in time where you have to say: "Well I don't like but i also have not seen it. So there's always a maybe"

When you say for certain it's stupid and won't work you're just being an annoyance to the board. Mostly because that has no room for discussion.

So again.

You can dislike that idea. I can like the idea.

I cannot tell you Batman in the daytime in TDKR is going to be the most awesomest thing ever for fact; because batman should always be in the daytime.

you cannot tell me batman in the Daytime in TDKR is going to be the most stupidest thing ever for fact; because batman should always be in the shadows.

For Christmas I wish upon you the ability to discuss these films in a relevant context to the films and the overall lore of Batman instead of this long drawn out and annoying idea that your opinion is fact because that's how things have always been done; this alone will always be countered with: "Well we're doing something new"

Gutted, he wanted a PS3.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

And forcing Batman out of his element and making him sacrifice his advantage for the sake of saving innocent lives doesn't add anything to the mythos?

Exactly.

 

[KalMart]

Doesn't Batman come out in the daytime quite often in The Justice League?

With other daytime heroes/characters, yes. If it's just his story, probably much less so.

 

[The_Raganork]

Gutted, he wanted a PS3.

What Kind of Raganork8 would I be if I gave him what he wanted?

 

[TheDragonator]

I never said it would be the 'stupidest thing ever'. I said the idea was stupid. Why? Because from what I can tell now, I think it's stupid.

And I wish upon YOU the ability to be more tolerant of my opinion.

 

[Travesty]

Well that settles it. Merry Christmas to all!

 

[B.A. Baracus]

BA, that's fine, but it has nothing to do with defending Nolan. I've had my criticisms of his Bat flicks, but I'm extremely open-minded in certain aspects of the character and mythology.

You may be able to criticise Nolan but there are those on these boards that think he can do no wrong, Yet when the next person to Direct Batman comes along i have no doubt most will jump ship Nolan, just as they have on the Spider-man Boards.

I personally love the Nolan films, i don't need to compare them to Burtons, or even Schumachers because i see each as a different era of Batman. Theres no harm in enjoying them all (yes even Batman and Robin)


I'm not saying Batman and robin is amazing but i can enjoy it for what it is.

 

[TheDragonator]

Lets not forget that Kane (and Finger) created as a 'creature' of the night, literally that, the crooks of gotham were never quite sure if The bat'man was a man dressed as a bat or a human bat hybrid, because they never got a real good look at him, meaning a case of chinese whispers amongst the underworld (not including the main Bat rogues).

DING DING DING.

Is it wrong to want Batman to stay a dark, shadowy character? Nope. So there.

 

[Boom]

The idea is not stupid. That's my opinion.

There. This conversation has officially hit a brick wall. What now?

 

[Syncope]

How can people be disgruntled about Batman coming out in the daylight?

It shows that Batman is being taken out of his comfort zone. Why would people not want that?

 

[B.A. Baracus]

What Kind of Raganork8 would I be if I gave him what he wanted?

You'll never get that job working for Santa at this rate.