The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Part 32

[craigdbfan]

I guess the Justice League toon was stupid by default because Batman appears in the daytime. Who woulda thunk?

 

[Gianakin_]

DING DING DING.

Is it wrong to want Batman to stay a dark, shadowy character? Nope. So there.

Ooh, I love double standards. Should we then go back to the fat, incompetent Gordon? After all, Kane and Finger wrote him that way.

 

[KalMart]

How can people be disgruntled about Batman coming out in the daylight?

It shows that Batman is being taken out of his comfort zone. Why would people not want that?

Because it takes them out of their comfort zone, maybe...?

 

[itsthebatman]

But you still don't know the context! What is inherently stupid about it?

 

[Gianakin_]

You may be able to criticise Nolan but there are those on these boards that think he can do no wrong, Yet when the next person to Direct Batman comes along i have no doubt most will jump ship Nolan, just as they have on the Spider-man Boards.

I personally love the Nolan films, i don't need to compare them to Burtons, or even Schumachers because i see each as a different era of Batman. Theres no harm in enjoying them all (yes even Batman and Robin)


I'm not saying Batman and robin is amazing but i can enjoy it for what it is.

The hell are you talking about? B&R is one of the best comedies of all time. And no, I'm not kidding.

 

[The Joker]

Ooh, I love double standards. Should we then go back to the fat, incompetent Gordon? After all, Kane and Finger wrote him that way.

Lets have a Catwoman with no costume at all who just calls herself The Cat, too. That's how she started out under Kane and Finger.

 

[Syncope]

Because it takes them out of their comfort zone, maybe...?

Good thesis.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

DING DING DING.

Is it wrong to want Batman to stay a dark, shadowy character? Nope. So there.

No its not and i agree, i love the Batman of the shadows That is for me, where he belongs, But you must understand that if the city was in chaos, Bruce would not just sit and watch waiting for darkness? He'd do what has to be done.

Bruce in every incarnation has but the people, the city before himself to help and save people, going out in daylight, out of his comfort zone is no different.

 

[KalMart]

DING DING DING.

Is it wrong to want Batman to stay a dark, shadowy character? Nope. So there.

I'm going out on a limb and say that he can still be a dark, shadowy character in broad daylight, with the right storyteller. Crazy idea, I know.

Kinda' like Superman can still be a beacon of light and hope in the middle of the night, etc....

 

[Gianakin_]

Lets have a Catwoman with no costume at all who just calls herself The Cat, too. That's how she started out under Kane and Finger.

Let's also have Batman murder people in cold blood! Oh, wait...

 

[Sharkboy]

Batman in daytime always looked pretty boss depending on the weather. No man's land when he's in scarface's territory...and he realises how odd it is being out in the daytime...but desperate times = desperate measures. If you honestly saw that shot in imax with the falling snow in daytime, and you didn't think batman looked completely awesome in that enviroment. Then you have no concept of what looks good.

 

[Yurka]

My problem with Batman and being seen in daylight is essentially that it demystifies him. His goal is to strike fear into criminals, and part of that fear stems from the inability to really figure out what he/it is. Seeing him in daylight takes aware from that unknown territory and proves he's just a man.

Which of course could be the reason Nolan is choosing to do so...

 

[The_Raganork]

I never said it would be the 'stupidest thing ever'. I said the idea was stupid. Why? Because from what I can tell now, I think it's stupid.

We understood that part, it's there with Bane's coat being an Ugg boot for the millionth time...we get it! YOU DON'T LIKE IT!.

we know.

What people are complaining about is that #1 you keep saying it and #2 have not provided a single good reason to keep saying it or to think it.

Many of us disagree on here; the discussion portion of this board allows us to see what the other person thinks and why and we don't have to agree but hopefully at the end of the day someone can say, at the very least, "Well they have an interesting way reason for thinking said things, so that's cool"

With you there's never anything other than. "I'm entitled to my opinion! Respect it now while I go on over and over about how something you like is stupid, terrible and dumb!"

There's no discussion there, honestly (whether this is true or not) you seem like a clever troll who straddles the boundaries to rile people up for personal enjoyment.

And I wish upon YOU the ability to be more tolerant of my opinion.

Your opinion is ultimately irrelevant to me. Its your inability to support it with reason or anything that doesn't consist of: Well that's how it's done and That's my opinion.

Give me one good reason right now why Nolan's Batman shouldn't come out in the daytime.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

The hell are you talking about? B&R is one of the best comedies of all time. And no, I'm not kidding.

For me, Batman and robin is great because its one of the two Batman films i can put on and watch with my children.

Though i recently let them watch Batman 1989 and the loved it.



None are as good as Transformers 2 though i'm told.

 

[The_Raganork]

My problem with Batman and being seen in daylight is essentially that it demystifies him. His goal is to strike fear into criminals, and part of that fear stems from the inability to really figure out what he/it is. Seeing him in daylight takes aware from that unknown territory and proves he's just a man.

Well said! That's a fine reason.

Then to you I say...for all the reasons you've given don't you think that can be a way to rally the people and become part of Gotham society and lead them against a threat like Bane?

 

[B.A. Baracus]

Let's also have Batman murder people in cold blood! Oh, wait...

I'll be honest, i loved that about Burton's Batman, i know its not comic accurate, but i loved it.

 

[Syncope]

My problem with Batman and being seen in daylight is essentially that it demystifies him. His goal is to strike fear into criminals, and part of that fear stems from the inability to really figure out what he/it is. Seeing him in daylight takes aware from that unknown territory and proves he's just a man.

I don't see why that would be a problem for you.

Surely that makes it a much more interesting narrative; that Batman has to sacrifice the mystique that he's fought so hard to develop?

 

[Gianakin_]

Batman in daytime always looked pretty boss depending on the weather. No man's land when he's in scarface's territory...and he realises how odd it is being out in the daytime...but desperate times = desperate measures. If you honestly saw that shot in imax with the falling snow in daytime, and you didn't think batman looked completely awesome in that enviroment. Then you have no concept of what looks good.

It's the old double standard: Fidelity to the comics, when the comics have done similar things. And then someone will say: "Yeah, but those are not good comics". And then that someone has finally proven that it's not the idea that's stupid, it's that he/she doesn't want it, because he/she has a specific idea of how the character is and works and whatever doesn't agree with said idea is wrong/stupid/whatever.

 

[KalMart]

My problem with Batman and being seen in daylight is essentially that it demystifies him. His goal is to strike fear into criminals, and part of that fear stems from the inability to really figure out what he/it is. Seeing him in daylight takes aware from that unknown territory and proves he's just a man.

Which of course could be the reason Nolan is choosing to do so...

Poor Bats...without the dark and shadows....guess there isn't as much in there as we thought. How is it that Spidey and Supes can do both...their powers? I guess that's what eventually defines a hero...

Seriously, I think that the real impact of Batman at the end of the day (no pun intended) is that he IS a normal human underneath all the theatricality. He's ultimately a hero because he's like the rest of us, but he decided to make a difference. Something like that....

 

[Gianakin_]

For me, Batman and robin is great because its one of the two Batman films i can put on and watch with my children.

Though i recently let them watch Batman 1989 and the loved it.

Man, I'm totally serious. I love B&R. Love it to death. It's BF that I can't really get used to.

None are as good as Transformers 2 though i'm told.[/QUOTE]

No food for 2 weeks!

 

[BrollySupersj]

I'd like to chime in on the whole Batman in daylight thing. Personally I like Batman only appearing and doing his duties in the black of night. But I can see why he's in the daylight in this movie, the plot calls for it, so it doesn't bother me. But overall, I prefer Batman in the dark.

 

[Gianakin_]

My problem with Batman and being seen in daylight is essentially that it demystifies him. His goal is to strike fear into criminals, and part of that fear stems from the inability to really figure out what he/it is. Seeing him in daylight takes aware from that unknown territory and proves he's just a man.

Which of course could be the reason Nolan is choosing to do so...

Depends on what's happening there. If people know Bruce is Batman, cover=blown and he just comes out during the day, 100% as a symbol, to lead his people into battle.

If it's a scenario where Bane leaves Batman with no choice, then that's that.

It's all about the context.

 

[B.A. Baracus]

I don't see why that would be a problem for you.

Surely that makes it a much more interesting narrative; that Batman has to sacrifice the mystique that he's fought so hard to develop?

Very good point, i honestly think that's what Nolan maybe going for. Also the people of gotham can defend there city, if a normal man like batman can rise to defend the city, anyone can.

 

[Boom]

Batman & Robin is hilarious. I pop in on now and again for a good laugh.

 

[Pagan]

My problem with Batman and being seen in daylight is essentially that it demystifies him. His goal is to strike fear into criminals, and part of that fear stems from the inability to really figure out what he/it is. Seeing him in daylight takes aware from that unknown territory and proves he's just a man.

Which of course could be the reason Nolan is choosing to do so...

it is exactly what the film will be about. Him rising out of the darkness and into the light. Just like the teaser illustrates. Before it's over everyone will know his identity I believe.