The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 43

[ron1705]

And if Batman is revealed to be Bruce Wayne, that will only cement his status as Gotham's true hero.

 

[Citadel30]

Yep. a true vindication of the character. Rises seems very appropriate.

 

[shallbecomeabat]

If this is the case, once Bane reveals that Harvey Dent went nuts and was killing folks - it will reverse the public opinion of Batman and in turn, HELP Batman mount his army against Bane.

I would really like that. As I pointed out in the characterization thread, thats one way to get to that kind of ending that would satisfy me.

BTW - Welcome to Arkham.

Thanks for that. I think I'm gonna like it here. Its a sleepover right? I packed my toothbrush.

 

[vaden78]

Hey Falcone! In,one of your earlier posts you said you have a bane psysique. My only question is, may we see? Please? ;-)
*physique

 

[TinkerTailor]

so here is something i have been thinking about lately... at the end of TDK, Dent dies, Gordon and his family are there with Dent's dead body, and the police are chasing Batman from the scene. I guess i havent thought about this before and excuse me if i am behind the curve, but I think in TDKR, Batman is going to be accused of murdering Dent AND all the cops that the Dent killed. I just always thought that Batman was accused of killing the cops, but i NEVER thought about him actually being blamed for Dent's murder as well. No wonder he goes into an 8 year hiding period... LOTS of folks will want Batman to be brought to justice for murdering Gotham's "White Knight".

If this is the case, once Bane reveals that Harvey Dent went nuts and was killing folks - it will reverse the public opinion of Batman and in turn, HELP Batman mount his army against Bane.

I think they'll be treading a thin line with this point and it shouldn't really be as easy as public opinion swaying back to Batman with one revelation. The fact is he and Gordon were implicit in a lie that has rippled throughout Gotham for 8 years. Remove Bane from the equation and ask yourself, if you'd found out that a public figure, one that you'd previously trusted as a force for good, had deliberately misled the population of an entire city to force through his own agenda, would you be happy to support him?

 

[Citadel30]

I think they'll be treading a thin line with this point and it shouldn't really be as easy as public opinion swaying back to Batman with one revelation. The fact is he and Gordon were implicit in a lie that has rippled throughout Gotham for 8 years. Remove Bane from the equation and ask yourself, if you'd found out that a public figure, one that you'd previously trusted as a force for good, had deliberately misled the population of an entire city to force through his own agenda, would you be happy to support him?

I see what you mean, but I think you HAVE to include bane in that equation and here is why:

So for 8 years (assuming this is before Bane comes along), Batman is this villain that Gotham despises(due to Dents murder) and at some point in the 8 year period, Batman decides to hang up the cape for whatever reason and call it quits. Then Bane comes along, reveals through the GNN or whatever that Dent went rogue and killed all sorts of folks, incites the masses and takes control of Gotham by brainwashing the "99%" into thinking that the "1%" have been living the good life too long and its reckoning day. Once bane has control of the city, the "99%" realize that life aint so peachy under Bane's tyranny and they are now hoping for Batman (or someone) to save them.

With Bane in control of the legal system and Gotham's infrastructure, the people "99%" will be so desperate that they will be eager to follow Batman when he shows up against bane and his army, regardless of the lies.

 

[ChrisB]

99% sure this is fan made... but someone just sent me this on Twitter. They said it was displayed in a digital poster frame outside of iPic Theaters in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Anyone see this before? Do you know where it came from? Thanks!

He's willing to go back to the theater and take more photos, but I don't want him to waste his time.

 

[Citadel30]

The part that says "Villains Die" is kind of weird... but overall it looks pretty cool.

 

[Gianakin_]

It's fan made.

 

[ChrisB]

The part that says "Villains Die" is kind of weird... but overall it looks pretty cool.

Yeah that was "Fan made" clue #1. Fan Made clue #2 was the fact that it was in a digital poster frame. Someone at the theater probably mistook it for being real. I'm just wondering if we've seen it before, maybe a SHHer made it in the Fan Art thread?

 

[Kane52630]

99% sure this is fan made... but someone just sent me this on Twitter. They said it was displayed in a digital poster frame outside of iPic Theaters in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Anyone see this before? Do you know where it came from? Thanks!

He's willing to go back to the theater and take more photos, but I don't want him to waste his time.

Fan made by themadbutcher

http://themadbutcher.deviantart.com/art/quot-The-Dark-Knight-Rises-quot-Poster-223197910

 

[ChrisB]

Fan made by themadbutcher

http://themadbutcher.deviantart.com/art/quot-The-Dark-Knight-Rises-quot-Poster-223197910

Thank you Kane!

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Batman's cape is draped over. Fan made.

 

[TinkerTailor]

I see what you mean, but I think you HAVE to include bane in that equation and here is why:

So for 8 years (assuming this is before Bane comes along), Batman is this villain that Gotham despises(due to Dents murder) and at some point in the 8 year period, Batman decides to hang up the cape for whatever reason and call it quits. Then Bane comes along, reveals through the GNN or whatever that Dent went rogue and killed all sorts of folks, incites the masses and takes control of Gotham by brainwashing the "99%" into thinking that the "1%" have been living the good life too long and its reckoning day. Once bane has control of the city, the "99%" realize that life aint so peachy under Bane's tyranny and they are now hoping for Batman (or someone) to save them.

With Bane in control of the legal system and Gotham's infrastructure, the people "99%" will be so desperate that they will be eager to follow Batman when he shows up against bane and his army, regardless of the lies.

I agree with what you're saying here, and I think how well it works as a plot point depends upon how the story in general is resolved. If this whole idea of Bruce revealing himself to be Batman and subsequently inspiring the population of Gotham to unite as a force for good is true, then the lie being revealed too puts the credibility of the idea under pressure.

Public opinion in these films has never been exhibited as fully behind Batman. We've had a couple of dinner table debates (with Bruce present) where back and forth pros and cons of the character have been thrown around. By the end of BB he was viewed positively, by half way through TDK he was vilified and calls were made for his arrest again.

With that in mind do we really expect a fickle population who've seen their city levelled to fully embrace a rich, privileged white man who has shown that he thinks he should make decisions on their behalf time and time again, as their 'White Knight'? We're told that Gotham's peaceful but simmering in the wake of The Harvey Dent Act, Bane is just the point where it boils over. So surely the problems that have been bubbling away in Gotham are systemic, and Bruce is a part of that system. Much more than that, he's taken it upon himself to influence law making decisions that have swayed the lives of millions of residents in a non democratic way. We as an audience are privy to the journey Bruce has been on and we realise that the decisions he's made have always been with Gotham in mind, it's just that the stakes were so high that he's had to take extreme measures. The population of Gotham don't know that. They may back Bruce to get rid of Bane, but once Bane is vanquished they're going to want to hold to account the people who led them down this road in the first place... It puts the idea of one Gotham united under Bruce's example under scrutiny.

Sorry. I'm rambling. I just think this whole concept needs to be dealt with very very delicately to make it credible. It can't just be an about turn based on one revelation. Even if it does work, is the best we want Batman to be viewed as? The lesser of two evils?

 

[Falcone]

I'm starting to wonder if 'the fire' rising which Bane speaks of, is the League of Shadows' revenge for Bruce Wayne's kindling of the explosion of the old LoS headquarters in the mountains.

Ras did return and say 'when a forest grows too wild, a purging fire is necessary' as well as 'you burnt my house to the ground and left me for dead'. Methinks that 'the fire rises' is Bane's way of saying this is payback, not only for Bruce's demolition of their stronghold, but the final destruction of Gotham by way of his fiery hand.

Love the quote in your signature, first of all. I forgot about that line. Second of all, this was brought up, but IDK, I feel like we would have heard about the fire in BB if it were associated with the League. But your theory isn't impossible.

Second of all, I'm glad to see the new users. Your English isn't bad at all.

Third of all, nope, definitely not posting a picture of me. Plus there are differences between me and Hardy. We actually do have similar lips, but his biceps are huge. I've got strong biceps but my hormones forbid them from bulking up. I have pretty strong triceps too, and these protrude more. I've never seen Hardy without his shirt, but I can tell he's skinnier than me. I have wide set shoulders like him, but mine probably seem wider to people people standing next to me because they're proportional to my half-a-foot I stand over Hardy.

Frankly, I would love to be built like Hardy, but when Hollywood guys go on a diet for a movie, they dedicate their lives to it for a few weeks. I can't dedicate myself like that- I'm a college student with a $10-15K a year budget and a gym the size of my apartment. But mostly, I would prefer to keep my anonymity.

 

[KRIM]

Batman's cape is draped over. Fan made.

I stood up and clapped. This made my morning.

 

[Falcone]

This may seem really weird, but organizationally, is there a difference between the chief of police and the commissioner? I grew up in a city of just shy of 1M in the metro area and the news always discusses the chief, not the commissioner.

 

[vaden78]

Love the quote in your signature, first of all. I forgot about that line. Second of all, this was brought up, but IDK, I feel like we would have heard about the fire in BB if it were associated with the League. But your theory isn't impossible.

Second of all, I'm glad to see the new users. Your English isn't bad at all.

Third of all, nope, definitely not posting a picture of me. Plus there are differences between me and Hardy. We actually do have similar lips, but his biceps are huge. I've got strong biceps but my hormones forbid them from bulking up. I have pretty strong triceps too, and these protrude more. I've never seen Hardy without his shirt, but I can tell he's skinnier than me. I have wide set shoulders like him, but mine probably seem wider to people people standing next to me because they're proportional to my half-a-foot I stand over Hardy.

Frankly, I would love to be built like Hardy, but when Hollywood guys go on a diet for a movie, they dedicate their lives to it for a few weeks. I can't dedicate myself like that- I'm a college student with a $10-15K a year budget and a gym the size of my apartment. But mostly, I would prefer to keep my anonymity.

lol I understand, I figured so but you can't fault a guy for trying lol. I am the same way with bulking up. I'm about 5'9" 185lbs. I have to eat and work out all the time to maintain my physique, but no matter how hard I try, I can't break this plateau.

 

[kvz5]

Batman's cape is draped over. Fan made.

 

[Travesty]

99% sure this is fan made... but someone just sent me this on Twitter. They said it was displayed in a digital poster frame outside of iPic Theaters in Scottsdale, Arizona.

Anyone see this before? Do you know where it came from? Thanks!

He's willing to go back to the theater and take more photos, but I don't want him to waste his time.

Looks like KnightRise is still trolling.

 

[Mr. E Nygma]

I saw that fan made poster with Batman flying in the sky around helicopters with the lightening bat logo around him at a flix brewhouse here in austin. It's strange that a theater would choose to put up a fake poster(and they knew it was fake) but also a nice compliment to the person who made it.

 

[The Joker]

KnightRise, that name is familiar. What was his shtick here again?

 

[HighFivingMF]

KnightRise, that name is familiar. What was his shtick here again?

He kept saying he was filming the trailer, pretending to be in a movie theater, posting pictures of Asian families in movie theaters to prove it.

 

[Nevincer]

Batman looks too sexy in that poster for it to be real.

 

[Citadel30]

I agree with what you're saying here, and I think how well it works as a plot point depends upon how the story in general is resolved. If this whole idea of Bruce revealing himself to be Batman and subsequently inspiring the population of Gotham to unite as a force for good is true, then the lie being revealed too puts the credibility of the idea under pressure.

Public opinion in these films has never been exhibited as fully behind Batman. We've had a couple of dinner table debates (with Bruce present) where back and forth pros and cons of the character have been thrown around. By the end of BB he was viewed positively, by half way through TDK he was vilified and calls were made for his arrest again.

With that in mind do we really expect a fickle population who've seen their city levelled to fully embrace a rich, privileged white man who has shown that he thinks he should make decisions on their behalf time and time again, as their 'White Knight'? We're told that Gotham's peaceful but simmering in the wake of The Harvey Dent Act, Bane is just the point where it boils over. So surely the problems that have been bubbling away in Gotham are systemic, and Bruce is a part of that system. Much more than that, he's taken it upon himself to influence law making decisions that have swayed the lives of millions of residents in a non democratic way. We as an audience are privy to the journey Bruce has been on and we realise that the decisions he's made have always been with Gotham in mind, it's just that the stakes were so high that he's had to take extreme measures. The population of Gotham don't know that. They may back Bruce to get rid of Bane, but once Bane is vanquished they're going to want to hold to account the people who led them down this road in the first place... It puts the idea of one Gotham united under Bruce's example under scrutiny.

Sorry. I'm rambling. I just think this whole concept needs to be dealt with very very delicately to make it credible. It can't just be an about turn based on one revelation. Even if it does work, is the best we want Batman to be viewed as? The lesser of two evils?

Great post. Funny you should bring the point up about Batmans public image because I was thinking about that same exact thing while I wrote my previous post- Batman really HASNT been deemed a positive force by all of the public eye at any point in this franchise yet. We know villains fear him, cops are skeptical of him, and really only Gordon and Lucious (Alfred too i guess) understand what he is all about at this point. The news channels are obviously tracking his story, thanks to the great Mike Engel (sp?) and his stupendous interviews. Maybe it's going to take Bane completely destroying Gotham only to have Batman save it for the true "hero" label to be placed on him.

Maybe it was never really Nolan's vision to have Batman as a full feldged hero in the eyes of Gothams citizens in this series.

I am so confused by this movie- damn you Nolan and your tight fitting vests!!