The Dark Knight Rises The TDKR General Discussion & Speculation Thread - Part 5

[christpunchers]

I'm sure both movies will have a shot a city skyline, and both will have someone in the credits name "John" and boths films will have a scene where the protagnoist cries.

These are all irrelevant details that do not determine the quality of a movie. Spiderman 3 sucked because it had a terrible, awful script and some poor directorial decisions made by Sam Raimi.

We already know TDKR has a great script (as Oldman, Caine and Pfister have all raved about it) and Nolan is a much more consistent and skilled director than Raimi.

I dunno, I wouldn't put much stock into those "script praises". They're paid actors attached to the project afterall, they can only say good things about TDKR.

For me, the biggest breaking point of this movie would be the inclusion of too many enemies. You've got Bane, who I'm assuming will have as much screen time as the Joker, then you got Catwoman, not sure where they're going to go with that, then you might have Ras' return. Jam in some stuff about Gordon, Morgan Freeman, and the rest, and it's a big pile.

I think the issue for me is that because they can't top the Joker in terms of how powerful he is as the other half of Batman's Ying & Yang, they had to include both Bane and Catwoman. I can't imagine them ending this trilogy with one lesser known villain or a half villain in terms of Catwoman. This pressure to top the last movie may do more harm than good. But that's just me being pessimistic.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

While I do think Nolan is a much more talented and competent director than Raimi...

They all have a dud at some point. I just hope Nolan gives us the first truly great comic-book movie trilogy. I want to believe but I too am a pessimist by nature.

 

[Nevincer]

While I do think Nolan is a much more talented and competent director than Raimi...

They all have a dud at some point. I just hope Nolan gives us the first truly great comic-book movie trilogy. I want to believe but I too am a pessimist by nature.

I have a feeling Nolan's gonna do it.

 

[Dark Knight]

I want to see a brutal epic fight in the mud pit between Batman and Bane ala TDKReturns! t:

 

[christpunchers]

Michael Caine talks ****

Gary Oldman im more inclined to believe...

Heh, yeah. Caine's words aren't much of anything. I personally feel that the guy is a lucky old bat who don't really give two wits about "Batman" or anything related. He's here for the fact that he's in for nice fat paycheck and plenty of travel and allowance. He has the least amount of "acting" to do out of the entire cast. He makes for a functional Alfred but nothing resembling a father-like figure because he seems drunk and ready to crack another joke
half the time.

Actually now that I've gathered my thoughts, I really think that Anne Hathaway, as easy on the eyes as she is (granted, she's not in the same league as Pfeffier), doesn't really have the chops. At least, not enough to blow us away like Ledger did. She always reminds me of some girl straight out of her teens and got a lucky break when she got into those Princess movies or whatever they were. Was never impressed with her abilities.

 

[christpunchers]

I'm sure they (Oldman, Caine, Pfister) genuinely believe in the script. Why are there folks that want to argue about this?

I think TDKR could very well be better than TDK. Three years have passed and I still don't quite understand the inflated reputation it has. Its a great movie, but you'd think Coppola was trying to top The Godfather II or something. For all TDK's awesomeness, I maintain that BB is the better Batman film, and that's why I'm so excited about TDKR. I think we'll get a darker, grimier, movie that aligns itself better with the hyper-realism of BB.

I wonder if Gordon is the one who Bane snaps across his knee?

I agree that TDK was overrated. While BB's final act with the fear gas being blown out of the sewers was unfitting, the entire script was quite lean and focused.

TDK jumped back and forth too much. To this day I still can't wrap my head around some of the unnecessary complications that they added: the bullet/3D modeling thing, 3D sonar vision, the annoying SWAT dude, a final action scene that once again was shot too close to the lens, etc. Personally, I thought Two-Face's scenes were either very boring, they felt tacked on, and Aaron Ackhart didn't have the charisma to pull off his role (he's either angry or happy, no in between, not very subtle). And once again, Joker stole the entire show, Batman was never "really there", minus a few good moments such as the parking lot scene.

Don't get me wrong, I think TDK was a good movie, but it could have been a 10 instead of a 7-8. And to think that as soon as you take out Ledger's Joker, the entire movie would of crumbled. That actually gives me hope that this movie will be more balanced and less uneven.

 

[QueenChaos]

While I do think Nolan is a much more talented and competent director than Raimi...

They all have a dud at some point. I just hope Nolan gives us the first truly great comic-book movie trilogy. I want to believe but I too am a pessimist by nature.

I have a feeling Nolan's gonna do it.

Believe!
I think Nolan will pull it off too, and that excites me.

 

[Nevincer]

Believe!
I think Nolan will pull it off too, and that excites me.

But what would really be shocking... is if Oldman is right, that not only does Nolan have a spotless trilogy, but his third film actually succeeds the last two in quality. That would just be glorious

 

[MultipleJesuses]

Can somebody at least point me to the direction of this script please? A link to the FB page?

 

[UUBee]

I wonder who leaked that piece of the script. It's legit. ebeneezer is actually the mad scientist, played by Alon Aboutdoul

 

[GregComicFan]

New Question:

So how much official canon do you think Nolan will break with TDKR?

If Nolan is "wrapping up Batman's story" with this third movie, then I don't think he can avoid making some changes to the established comicbook lore.

It looks like from the TDKR teaser that Gordon may know Bruce Wayne is Batman. What else do you think Nolan will change?

Besides Batman dying/not dying (which there is a whole thread on, so let's try not to focus on that alone)... I still hold out hopes that Nolan will actually let Batman and Catwoman end up as a couple. Sure, the tension between them in the comics is good stuff, but if Batman's story is "giving a conclusion" in this third movie... why not have Catwoman be his ideal mate and it ends with Batman having found another mask wearing vigilante to spend his days with?

I hope:
-No major characters die. If someone has to die, I can handle Lucius dying, but not Bruce, Alfred, or Gordon
-I hope Gordon DOES find out Bruce is Batman
-I hope Bruce/Selina do NOT part ways; I hope they end on a positive note, possibly even committing to a romance.
-I hope Bane lives. Even though Nolan wants TDKR to have a "conclusion to the Batman legend", I'm still against major villains dying. I like Batman's world being populated by his rogue's gallery. The Joker lived, why not Bane?

That's the canon I hope Nolan breaks/keeps intact. Anyone else?

 

[Kane52630]

I wonder who leaked that piece of the script. It's legit. ebeneezer is actually the mad scientist, played by Alon Aboutdoul

Really? didn't know that. Now it makes a little more sense. I was thinking while reading it "who is this new character? or are they using a fake name?"

 

[christpunchers]

New Question:

So how much official canon do you think Nolan will break with TDKR?

If Nolan is "wrapping up Batman's story" with this third movie, then I don't think he can avoid making some changes to the established comicbook lore.

It looks like from the TDKR teaser that Gordon may know Bruce Wayne is Batman. What else do you think Nolan will change?

Besides Batman dying/not dying (which there is a whole thread on, so let's try not to focus on that alone)... I still hold out hopes that Nolan will actually let Batman and Catwoman end up as a couple. Sure, the tension between them in the comics is good stuff, but if Batman's story is "giving a conclusion" in this third movie... why not have Catwoman be his ideal mate and it ends with Batman having found another mask wearing vigilante to spend his days with?

I hope:
-No major characters die. If someone has to die, I can handle Lucius dying, but not Bruce, Alfred, or Gordon
-I hope Gordon DOES find out Bruce is Batman
-I hope Bruce/Selina do NOT part ways; I hope they end on a positive note, possibly even committing to a romance.
-I hope Bane lives. Even though Nolan wants TDKR to have a "conclusion to the Batman legend", I'm still against major villains dying. I like Batman's world being populated by his rogue's gallery. The Joker lived, why not Bane?

That's the canon I hope Nolan breaks/keeps intact. Anyone else?

How about Wayne refusing the Pit after his final battle, goes to Heaven to reunite with Rachel and Dent, where a dead and righteous Morgan Freeman is wearing an all white suit and waiting to greet them all?

Seriously, I can see Bane being left alive. Maybe he will turn "good" after being outsmarted by Batman?

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I want Nolan to contort the cannon as he sees fit... and in a way that will service the story.

I'm seriously game for whatever he does in the movie. t:

Theres only going to be another reboot after this anyway. Plus if he does go for the death thing... then just call it an elseworlds movie trilogy.

 

[lukey37]

It's not real.

In the fake script they have written "EXT. NIGHT. UNKOW PLACE".

Real scripts have the day or night part at the end.

 

[Victarion]

What you talkin about, lukey?

 

[lukey37]

What you talkin about, lukey?

The fake script page that people were talking about a few posts ago.

There are some basic mistakes in it. It's not real.

 

[UUBee]

It's not real.

In the fake script they have written "EXT. NIGHT. UNKOW PLACE".

Real scripts have the day or night part at the end.

silly man. Everybody writes script differently. There's a format, but you are not restricted to it.


Ebeneezer Darrk

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Ebeneezer_Darrk_(New_Earth)

 

[QueenChaos]

But what would really be shocking... is if Oldman is right, that not only does Nolan have a spotless trilogy, but his third film actually succeeds the last two in quality. That would just be glorious

I know! Nolan would certainly put certain other directors to shame with that one... Then again there is always relativity of perception, and the fact that even if it blows TDK out of the water, there will be those that think it's not so great.
I'm more and more excited to see what he's doing with this film by the day.

 

[Nevincer]

Then again there is always relativity of perception, and the fact that even if it blows TDK out of the water, there will be those that think it's not so great.

Definitely. Especially with the whole thing with Heath. Shame, really...

 

[QueenChaos]

silly man. Everybody writes script differently. There's a format, but you are not restricted to it.


Ebeneezer Darrk

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Ebeneezer_Darrk_(New_Earth)

As far as i'm concerned, that really doesn't prove that this script leak is real.

 

[TheBatman072]

It's not real.

In the fake script they have written "EXT. NIGHT. UNKOW PLACE".

Real scripts have the day or night part at the end.

I just read it.

Never mind the format mistakes, but the dialogue itself is just...AWFUL.

 

[TheBatman072]

silly man. Everybody writes script differently. There's a format, but you are not restricted to it.


Ebeneezer Darrk

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Ebeneezer_Darrk_(New_Earth)

What is that blank wiki page supposed to prove?

 

[Doc Holliday]

silly man. Everybody writes script differently. There's a format, but you are not restricted to it.


Ebeneezer Darrk

http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Ebeneezer_Darrk_(New_Earth)

Quit trolling.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I know! Nolan would certainly put certain other directors to shame with that one... Then again there is always relativity of perception, and the fact that even if it blows TDK out of the water, there will be those that think it's not so great.
I'm more and more excited to see what he's doing with this film by the day.

If the movie makes a penny less than TDK... It'll be deemed a failure.

I just hope Nolan doesn't crumble under the weight of this version of the franchise he has created.

I hope he just says to himself... ''**** the fans... shut the **** WB and check the receipts for Inception again... I'm going to make the movie the way I feel it needs to be done.''

No comprimises. No apprehension.