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But those LoS guys are okay with him using his electromagnetic thingie to shut off the lights and throwing flashbangs at Bane's face?
Maybe if Bane had said "let's fight man to man, no weapons, no tricks. My men are watching," that would be one thing. Instead we see Bats selectively use his arsenal when we know he has other stuff available that could help him.
I take it you don't like The Dark Knight Returns having a crippled Bruce Wayne who slaps on some mechanical bits to his arms and knees and is as good as new?
He was monologue-ing through the entire comic about how decrepit and debilitating his body was and cursing how much better the young cops had it. It wasn't tossed aside instantly like TDKR's knee injury was.
When I referenced 'cursing how much better the young cops had it" I am talking about the chapter right after he defeats the mutant leader. 'hunt the Dark Knight", with the new, female police commissioner.I may have to go reread but, if I remember correctly, doesn't he stop monologue-ing about it around the point where he slaps on the leg and arm brace before going to fight the Mutant Leader?
When I referenced 'cursing how much better the young cops had it" I am talking about the chapter right after he defeats the mutant leader. 'hunt the Dark Knight", with the new, female police commissioner.
There is a single panel that shows him in the surgery bed in the last chapter with Alfred assuring "he'll live". Needless to say, this is far more than the utter neglect of Rises after he gets his braces.Ellen Yindel and I'll have to reread it. I seem to remember him not running into any physical limitations afterwards with that brace on.
But Batman knew that trying more powerful tools that gave him an unfair advantage would have invited Bane's men to start shooting.
There is a single panel that shows him in the surgery bed in the last chapter with Alfred assuring "he'll live". Needless to say, this is far more than the utter neglect of Rises after he gets his braces.
Unless I have a special version of the book in my hands with the chapters twisted, it's not. And the surgery being in the first chapter makes no sense as he gets demolished by Mutant leader after he beats Two Face.I could have sworn the surgery bed bit was in the first chapter when he was investigating Two Face.
And, I don't see it as neglect, I see it as symbolism. The brace is used by Bruce to quickly become Batman, a quick fix. Batman was a quick fix for Bruce to conceal his pain instead of moving on. It's discarded and forgotten as Bruce learns to live as Bruce Wayne instead of Batman.
That doesn't make any sense. Batman said to himself "I'll use the flashbangs and the electromagnetic device, because I know those won't give me an advantage?" He was down. He was looking for anything to give him an advantage. If he had thought those things would be useless he wouldn't have tried them at all.
Who said Bats should shoot Bane in the neck with a grappling hook?
We're not talking about Bats killing Bane here. We're talking about him using equipment that could help him win the fight. You're talking about something totally different.
Exactly. Look at how he used his grappling hook to take down SWAT team guys and save hostages in the Prewitt building scene.
Such a good scene.
Who said Bats should shoot Bane in the neck with a grappling hook?
Except, you assume that Batman would be able to use all his tools without Bane's men interfering. Why do you think Nolan included those shots of Bane's men watching? This was an extremely hostile environment for Batman to walk into. He was trapped in a small area under watch. Much different than the end of TDK where he might have been chased but still had plenty more freedom to move around and use his tools.We're not talking about Bats killing Bane here. We're talking about him using equipment that could help him win the fight. You're talking about something totally different.
Except, you assume that Batman would be able to use all his tools without Bane's men interfering.
Oh, and The Dark Knight Returns Bruce Wayne and Batman is a very different character than the TDKR Bale Bruce/Batman.
In Returns, Batman isn't a cripple. He envies youth and is humbled by everything he's experienced. He's an older man that has been at war for decades. He's a couple of years away from 60 and is much more obsessed, dedicated and driven than the Bale was depicted in TDKR. "Slapping on" mechanical enhancements is completely understandable.
In TDKR, Bruce is a moping cripple. Both personas have been dormant and he hasn't done anything in years. He's what? In his late 30's, 40? He's been Batman for about a year. He's not humbled, he's overconfident, foolish and he's right back to where he was in Batman Begins to the point where he has to relearn. He's not driven and he underestimates his enemies just like he did when he was Batman for the first 3/4 of his career.
Aaron Eckhart said:"I did a movie called The Rum Diary in Puerto Rico and Johnny Depp and I were somewhere on the set one day and Johnny said to me, 'Aaron, what happened to the coin [from The Dark Knight], the coin that Two-Face flipped?' And I said, 'Oh, I gave it back and Warner Bros. has it.' And he goes, 'Oh, yeah, no, they don't. I bought it.' He said, 'My Kid saw The Dark Knight and loved Two-Face so much that I bought him the coin.' It never occurred to me grab the coin, but I'm glad it's in good hands."