BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 1

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If the movie ends with Superman's casket shaking, does he return to life before JL or his grave shakes until that time or the ending shot will happen in JL?
 
Who's your source? Does your source confirm Pale's synopsis.

Yes he confirmed it. Infact my source came out before Pale, he had told me few days earlier that he`ll be attending the press screening on Friday.
 
I still don't like the fact Bats saves Martha. I mean, trying to kill someone then saving his mum seems odd.
 
If the movie ends with Superman's casket shaking, does he return to life before JL or his grave shakes until that time or the ending shot will happen in JL?

I have an idea: what if Bruce lines his casket with Kryptonite, trapping him inside just in case?

*casket trembles*

Clark: Guys! Guys, I'm alive!
Bruce: Never can be too careful, alien.
 
Joker used Rachel to get to Batman knowing he would go after her. Green goblin used Mary Jane. Vader used Luke's friends. Zod used Lois in SM II. This sinking in. Superman's so powerful the only way to hurt him is to attack his humanity. Target his loved ones use them against him. It's not random it's smart Superman is connected to her he won't take the risk. This has been done repeatedly it's Superman's weakness, use it against him. The idea that people are saying Lex using his loved ones his weakness against him is random, are you crazy.

Yeah the idea of the villain using his knowledge of the hero to exploit his weakness by targeting his loved ones and using them as leverage to manipulate him into doing what he wants to potentially eliminate both obstacles doesn't make sense. The idea of the cynical full of rage man coming to his senses when he sees Superman's love for his parents a feeling he knows too well, especially when he sees their mothers have the same name, This changing Batman's view doesn't make sense. Superman dying for a world that rejects him and in doing so wins the trust of the people who realize an alien they feared died for them regardless.
 
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If the movie ends with Superman's casket shaking, does he return to life before JL or his grave shakes until that time or the ending shot will happen in JL?

JL's opening shot is Supes bursting out of the ground. Boom. There you go.
 
I still don't like the fact Bats saves Martha. I mean, trying to kill someone then saving his mum seems odd.

I think he'd go out of his way to save anyone in danger. Especially someone he's made sweet, sweet love to in a prior movie.
 
So do you guys think we'll get some confirmed sources to spill out some stuff some time tonight?
 
I will **** my pants if we get a shot of
dead superman in the arms of lois after the final boss fight. Ya know the one from the comics :)

Yeah, that would be a-mazing ! What a tribute to the fans !
 
You had it nailed but then you had to try to be funny

Everyone's a critic.:o

Yes, Batman would try to save Martha. That she's Superman's mother is beside the point. If the spoilers are true, it's a nice redemptive moment for him being a paranoid jerk (and potential killer) for most of the film. It's the type of moment that would've mitigated a lot of the backlash of MoS had Superman been given one post Zod-fight.
 
I HAVE SEEN BVS. I'm gonna warn you guys, this is a HUGE stream-of-consciousness plot summery, and its late, and I didn't proof read. I also posted (basically) this same thing to reddit a few minutes ago. But I think what I have to offer will be more appreciated, here.

That said, I’m not going to talk about where I work, but suffice it to say that I am employed by one of the theaters hosting the IMAX preview screenings on Monday. We have had the film in our possession for about 2 or 3 days, and the one and only certified film projector operator we have has been working tirelessly to assemble the film in time. Basically I’m very fortunate to be friends with a few supervisors, as I was lucky enough to attend a private test screening, tonight, to make sure the film was running smoothly. I may not have signed an NDA, but I DO value my employment, so understand: you don’t have to believe me, I really don't care, but you’ll see that everything here is true, come next week. So, I’m gonna do my best to drop as much of the movie as I can possibly remember. I might interject my opinion here or there, but I’m gonna try to keep it mostly objective. It should go without saying, MAJOR SPOILERS FOR BVS AHEAD:

I'm not kidding, guys. This is THE ENTIRE MOVIE. I don't want you to regret reading this.

The film has an absolutely gorgeous opening credit sequence: basically splitting the action between the night of the Wayne murder, and the day of their funeral. There are some genuinely iconic shots, especially regarding Martha’s pearls, as the film cuts back and forth. Young Bruce is running from the funeral and falls into the Batcave. The scene feels a little more like Batman Forever than Batman Begins. Maybe a little of both. When Bruce lands he sees the cavern and the bats for the first time, they start to swarm and literally being lifting Bruce up, off his feet. It sounds ridiculous, but the carry him up to the light at the top of the shaft. At that point Bruce’s adult voiceover begins, saying something along the lines of “that’s how the dream always goes” or something.

It fades to white, and there’s a title card like, “the day the world was introduced to the superman,” or something like that, I don't quite remember. But this is the Kyptonian sequence from Bruce’s perspective. The most significant thing is that he arrives at the wreckage of Wayne Financial to find Scoot Mcnairy’s character trapped under an I-beam. I don't remember Scoot’s name, and I’m not sure that IMDB is correct, either, but he IS NOT Jimmy Olsen, as many believed. He IS very important, however, despite being a minor character. His paralysis is a crucial element to Senator Finch and Lex’s separate plans to undermine Superman.

Cut to the present, Lois is in the African desert, interviewing a Terrorist leader. Her photographer, (also not Jimmy) is stopped, his camera destroyed, and a tracking device removed from the camera: he’s CIA, working undercover. Not even Lois is aware. Things go sour immediately, he is killed, as are a few bystanders. Lois is taken hostage, and Superman saves her.

Cut to Gotham, this is the “horror/SE7EN” scene Ben Affleck referred to, its also the ‘Bat Brand” scene. The guy that gets branded is running a human trafficking ring, and the victims are behind bars in a cage. Two police officers find the crime scene, where the girls call Batman “a demon” or “a devil.” One officer finds the branded man and batman, and begins shooting at anything that moves. This cuts to a news reel, revealing that the Batman Brand is basically a death sentence in prison, as its only given to rapists, child molesters, human traffickers, etc.

If I recall, the news transitions to the African hostage situation, basically blaming Superman for the casualties, despite happening before his arrival.

Lois is bathing, Clark brings home flowers, they talk about how hard it is for her to be with him AND for him to be superman. Then, ya know, sexy time in the bathtub.

I don't remember what comes next in what order, so bear with me, because the order isn’t that important for a little while. But there’s a scene in the batcave with Alfred and Bruce, some stuff with Clark being assigned a sports piece for the Planet but wanting to pursue the Batman, and a scene at a beach in Africa, where there is a crashed spacecraft, and divers pulling up a lava-like rock, full of kryptonite.

Lex is introduced at his basketball court, talking to the senator and some other government officials. A small quantity of kryptonite has been found and has been shown to break down the cells belonging to general Zod. Lex wants more, and needs the Senator to allow the HUGE African shipment into the United States without dealing with customs. He wants to create a deterrent in the event that Superman or another kryptonian should attack. He basically trades the information he’s amassed on kryptonite for access to Zod’s body, and the kryptonian ship.

Bruce is investigating a terrorist group in connection to the group Lois is also researching. Bruce knows that there’s a connection to one of the terrorists from Africa, and traces it back to lex. Bruce is planning to break into Lex’s mansion when Alfred reveals that he’s been invited to a party there, anyway. Bruce is connected to Alfred, sneaking a hacking device into the building’s mainframe. Clark can hear this happening through Bruce’s headset and begins the face to face interaction from the trailer. Bruce tries to retrieve his hacking device, but Diana has stolen it. He get’s it back a few nights later at a museum. She reveals that a photograph of hers has been stolen, but Lex’s files are too encrypted.

Clark also leaves the party due to a fire in mexico, starting a montage about how superman is perceived as both a god and a devil, there are a bunch of real people in on this debate, from Anderson Cooper, Nancy Grace and Neil deGrasse Tyson.

Bruce decrypts the data at the batcave, and triggers the Knightmare sequence. Its almost entirely whats been shown in the trailer. Bruce awakens to Flash from the future warning about causing the apocalypse should “she” die, you assume he’s talking about Lois, but its Martha Kent. Bruce wakes. Once the file is decrypted h essentially learns that Lex is shipping the kryptonite in from africa, and Bruce wants it.

A big chase scene occurs at the docs, where Bruce is after the truck full of kryptonite, this is the big Batmobile scene, and its pretty spectacular. The batmobile can take a tremendous amount of punishment, ripping throught boats, ships, brick walls. This is also the scene where Bruce hits Clark with the vehicle and Clark gives the “bat is dead” line, and Bruce’s “do you bleed” line.

Scoot’s character has been left without legs, and seeks revenge against superman. He is arrested for vandalizing the Superman monument, domestic terrorism etc. and is bailed out by lex. Lex wants to use him to testify against Superman. Bruce sees Scoot’s character on the news, and asks why he hasn't been receiving severance pay. Apparently he’s been sending it back, each with angry notes attached, like the “you let your family die.” Lex gives Scoot a high tech wheelchair in prep for the hearing.

Superman agrees to appear at the hearing, Lex sort of threatens the Senator for denying him permission to create an assassination tool, and Scoot’s character arrives, also bitter. The senator attempts to begin the hearing, only to realize that she’s being threatened. There’s some kind of personal message taped to her tea glass, and she notices Lex’s seat is empty, as Superman approaches the stand. Scoot’s wheelchair explodes, taking out the entire building. This kind of bothered me, to be honest, because Mercy Graves was still in the courthouse, and that mean Lex sacrificed her. I dunno, you don't kill your body guard, ya know? Especially Mercy.

Clark is devastated and flees, having a pseudo-dream sequence in the mountains, where Pa Kent basically tells him that there are always consequences for your actions, despite those actions being inherently good. He tells Clark a story about how he diverted a flood from his farm when he was young, believing himself to be a hero, only to learn that the neighboring farm was flooded instead, their horses drowned.

Lex returns to Lexcorp to descover that he’s been robbed, the building on fire, and the kryptonite missing. In its glass case is a batarang.

Batman begins training to take on supes. Developing kryptonite based gasses, and a kryptonite spear.

There’s also a running subplot with Lois, she’s investigating the bullets from the shooting in Africa. They aren’t registered to any weapons manufacturer in the world, legitimate or black market. Theres a conspiracy that Lexcorp developed the weapons to attract Superman, helping to initiate the suspicion over Superman’s accountability.

While Bruce was investigating Lex’s hard drive, he encounters a file labeled “Metahumans.” In it are a few video files of Diana Prince, and a photograph of her from 1918. He sends her that information, and a few scenes later we see her look through the other videos attached. One is of Barry Allen in a convenience store, stopping an armed robbery, no costume, however. The next is underwater footage of a shipwreck, and an encounter with Aquaman as he destroys an underwater drone. And the last is of Silas Stone working to repair Vic, who is literally just a torso and a head.

Lex gains control of the kryptonian airship, using Zod’s finger prints, sliced off with kryptonite. He mixes his own DNA with Zods, against the warnings of the computer.

Martha Kent is kidnapped while working. Lois is as well.

Bruce appears in his armored suit and ignites the bat signal, calling for superman. He leaves the kryptonite spear in the building for later.

Lex and Lois have their spat atop the Lexcorp tower, and Lex throws her off. Superman saves her, of course, and lands atop the tower. Lex reveals that he has taken Martha Kent hostage, and is giving Superman one hour to kill the Batman, or Martha will die. He has some EXTRA creepy polaroids of Martha tied up with the word “witch” written on her forehead, saying that because she is the mother of a demon, she must be a witch. Lex want to prove that Superman cannot be almighty because if God is almighty than he cannot be entirely good, and if he IS entirely good, then he cannot be almighty. Lex knows exactly who Clark is, though I’m not clear on if he knows who Bruce is.

Bats and Supes have their fight, but its built entirely on manipulation by Lex. Bat’s has been convinced that Scoot’s character is sort of a martyr against superman, though the hateful letters have been sent by Lex all along. Batman has a few traps set, ahead of time: two sonic speakers, which is nice to see Superman weak to soundwaves in live action, and a set of automatic turrets. Superman gets through those quickly, and leads into the interaction at the rooftop, near the batsignal. The canister that Clark catches IS filled with kryptonite, and Bruce begins to just beat supes to the ground. Utterly merciless. Bruce says something along the lines of “you aren’t a man, men have fear” or something and it continues, pretty evenly matched. Once Bruce’s helmet is destroyed he basically takes the kryptonite spear and goes in for the kill. Lois shows up, and intervenes at the right moment before Bruce literally kills superman. Supes starts cry-shouting that he “has to save Martha” He asks “WHO’S MARTHA?” and like, “Why are you saying that” and Lois like “That’s his MOTHER’S NAME” and this FREAKS. BRUCE. OUT. (If you’ve never noticed before, both Bruce and Clark’s mothers are named Martha, and this is really important). Basically Bruce starts having PTSD flashbacks of his mother and father dying in Crime Alley, and his father whispering “Martha” and that empathy he shares with Clark pushes him to see Clark as an equal. Bruce throws the spear aside, and agrees to help rescue Martha Kent, (thus avoiding the Superman driven apocalypse from the nightmare).

Bruce takes the Batwing to the docks where Lex’s goons are holding Martha. I do have some reservations about this scene, as we see Batman KILL. Not cool, man. Using the Batwing he takes out several armed vehicles, literally firing at them and then blowing them up. Alfred takes control of the Batwing, and we see the fight scene from the final trailer, leading to Batman rescuing Martha from one of the terrorists (holding a flamethrower) by literally blowing it up and lighting the man on fire.

Clark tries to intervene at the Kryptonian wreckage, where Lex unveils Doomsday. The two fight it out very briefly in metropolis, before Superman flies him into orbit. The US government deems it appropriate to launch a nuke and takes Doomsday down. Doomsday lands on Stryker’s Island (apparently long abandoned) and is strengthened by the radiation from the nuke. Bruce, in the Batwing, realizes that he’s going to have to lead Doomsday to shipping yard in Gotham, where he left the kryptonite spear, as it's the only thing that can stop Doomsday. Apparently the area is abandoned. (Also, the destruction is barely 1/100th of MOS). Superman is rejuvenated by Yellow sunlight and returns to the fight. And Wonder Woman FINALLY joins in. She’s amazing. And her musical theme is just so incredibly B.A.

Its mostly a team up of WW and Supes, while Bats acts as a distraction and Lois tries to retrieve the Spear, which she nearly drowns trying to obtain. Clark assists, nearly drowning, himself, from the kryptonite. Doomsday is HUUUUGE. Like 15 feet tall and evolving throughout the fight. WW does most of the work, and her lasso does get some use. While the rumor that she decapitated Doomsday is not true, she DOES chop off a hand, and a HUGE spike grows in its place. Superman tells Lois he loves her and flies in to stab Doomsday in the heart with the kryptonite spear, being impaled, himself, on Doomsday’s spikey appendage. (that image floating around is 100% legit). They both die. So, for those thinking “Doomsday is gonna be wasted in this movie, its too soon to kill Supes…” I’ve got some bad news.

The ending is kinda drawn out. There’s a HUGE procession for Superman, and a memorial (there’s a leaked image of that floating around, too), and a quiet service in Smallville for Clark. Lois is there, as are Bruce and Diana. Martha gives Lois an engagement ring that Clark had been planning to give to her. Bruce and Diana discuss the future. That Bruce worried and wants to contact the other metahumans. Diana doesn't think that's such a great idea, but Bruce feels that he failed Superman. Its all obvious set up for Justice League.

Another scene towards the end is of Lex being admitted into a high facility prison and getting his head shaved (even the rumors surrounding THAT weren’t true). It ends with Batman in his cell, threatening him with the Bat Brand, but only punching the wall with it. Lex reveals that the kryptonian ship sent out a signal, and that more big bads were coming. He “rang a bell.”

The final shot of the movie is at the graveyard, you can hear a faint drum. It sound like a heartbeat, the second time. The camera dooms in on the casket, the heartbeat is heard again as the handful of soil on top begins to levitate slightly. Then the camera cuts to black.

I’m not sure if there was a post credit scene or not, as the projectionist turned it off almost immediately.

But there it is! Sorry for the stream of consciousness, I was trying very hard to piece the movie back together after only one viewing, and I knew it needed to happen tonight while it was still fresh (it is SO so late, right now). If you have any questions, though, I’ll be happy to answer! (That said, I’m not going to bother defending myself to skeptics). Thank you, and good morning! I'm off to bed.


This sounds FREAKIN AWESOME. As a Superman fan, I wasn't upset about rumors of Superman's death. I just wanted Superman to not get shown up by Batman. I'm good with this and can't wait until I see it this Friday.
 
You're picky as ****, you must hate comics often
 
Supes looking rough in the latest TV spot!

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