BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 2

[Batmannerism]

I'm not concerned with the ambiguity of the ending. It gives them flexibility. Perhaps they'll dwell on Supes being gone and have him away for awhile, or perhaps he popped out right after the screen went black and JL starts with him having returned already. With this ending they can go either way, depending on what story they want for JL. That flexibility probably factored into why they chose to go death of superman in the first place.

Here's how I think it will play out - a combination of JLrigin and the Return of Superman.

Mysterious figures remove the coffin from the ground, public shock as Superman's grave is found violated, but that vanishes in the face of an even greater menace (Brainiac, Darkseid, Bizarro, take your pick ).

Anyway, Supes' body is taken to a safe location - maybe a fortress of solitude ? Where he is exposed to sunlight, or kryptonian tech, or something that revives him slowly - but by whom ? Drones who survived the scoutship crash, under the control of the remaining vestiges of the Jor El AI. Knowing Supes wasn't dead they take him to where he can recharge in sunlight and regain consciousness.

In the meantime the JL confront this major foe, and get absolutely hammered - maybe it's a parademon horde, or brainiac or something equally nasty, take your pick.

The way I see it, when things look darkest and all hope has vanished, the JL have been vanquished and lie beaten at Darkseid's feet......out of nowhere a blur of blue and red and POW ! Evil is knocked back on its heels and Superman returns to turn the tide and kick seven kinds of **** out of Darkseid (or whoever).

Maybe he is slowly recovering during JL 1 and shows up at the end to save the day, and then is a major player in JL 2 ?

That would work for me....that Superman isn't necessarily one of the major characters in JL, until he has to show up and save the day.

But this is just me dreaming here. Who knows ? Snyder are you listening , buddy ?

 

[BH/HHH]

I want a STAS Legacy situation, where Superman is brainwashed and leads an attack on Earth. They could tease it and not let it be revealed as Superman until a little later in the film then we could have him snap out of it in time to give Darkseid a pummelling.

Could be really cool for Cavill aswel cause it would give him some different stuff to do.

 

[Markdavid90]

I don't understand why people are disappointed he dies(If these spoilers are true). Dying to protect the World is as big a sacrifice you're going to get, he will being showing the world he is a true hero and no doubt in JL the world will accept him as Superman and not an 'Alien'

Superman will be back for JL, It's just a matter of how he comes back to life and how fast they revive him. I will be disappointed if they don't make a big deal out of it in JL, I'll be annoyed if he just wakes up out of coffin and is fine again.

 

[vantheman77]

I want a STAS Legacy situation, where Superman is brainwashed and leads an attack on Earth. They could tease it and not let it be revealed as Superman until a little later in the film then we could have him snap out of it in time to give Darkseid a pummelling.

Could be really cool for Cavill aswel cause it would give him some different stuff to do.

I had a similar idea where Darkseid retrieves Superman from his grave and turns him against the JL.

 

[Herolee10]

Personally, I really hope they don't go down the Mind-Control route. JL is going to have to tackle a lot of stuff and i don't want them to waste Superman's screen time where he's controlled for most of the film.

Being mind controlled for most of the film didn't do wonders for Hawkeye

 

[Herolee10]

Plus, is it too much to ask where they can do a film with Superman that doesn't introduce many scenarios that will likely cause a division amongst fans?

 

[Batmannerism]

I want a STAS Legacy situation, where Superman is brainwashed and leads an attack on Earth. They could tease it and not let it be revealed as Superman until a little later in the film then we could have him snap out of it in time to give Darkseid a pummelling.

Could be really cool for Cavill aswel cause it would give him some different stuff to do.

Oh man, that's too much. Have you read Earth 2 ? I mean, that's more evil Superman than anyone can handle. After a while it gets quite horrifying, like this.....

Earth 2 evil Superman makes Superman Prime look like a *****.

I don't think I could take a brainwashed Superman, especially Cavill.

I'd much rather than an evil Superman turned out to

Spoiler

be a version of Bizarro

(which is what Tom Taylor did.... man, I met him just before that final issue came out and asked him about evil Superman, and he said just to hang in there - it would all make sense. And did it ever ! Taylor's a genius, as the answer was so obvious that we all slap our foreheads and go " OF course ! " when the big reveal comes out. But Taylor's storytelling is so good that we never even suspect. Well I didn't anyway.

 

[Dr doomsday]

Personally, I really hope they don't go down the Mind-Control route. JL is going to have to tackle a lot of stuff and i don't want them to waste Superman's screen time where he's controlled for most of the film.

Being mind controlled for most of the film didn't do wonders for Hawkeye

I actually agree with you Legacy is not a good idea since he just won the trust of the people. I think Superman will return in the first hour or so maybe forty five minutes but the nature of how he returned will be a mystery the rest of the film resolves later.

 

[BH/HHH]

I had a similar idea where Darkseid retrieves Superman from his grave and turns him against the JL.

Cool, what's your idea?

Oh man, that's too much. Have you read Earth 2 ? I mean, that's more evil Superman than anyone can handle. After a while it gets quite horrifying, like this.....

Earth 2 evil Superman makes Superman Prime look like a *****.

I don't think I could take a brainwashed Superman, especially Cavill.

I'd much rather than an evil Superman turned out to

Spoiler

be a version of Bizarro

(which is what Tom Taylor did.... man, I met him just before that final issue came out and asked him about evil Superman, and he said just to hang in there - it would all make sense. And did it ever ! Taylor's a genius, as the answer was so obvious that we all slap our foreheads and go " OF course ! " when the big reveal comes out. But Taylor's storytelling is so good that we never even suspect. Well I didn't anyway.

Well it wouod be him wearing a mask and armour for a portion effort revealing his face, then we'd get the turn back after he remembers everything. I think it would be cool myself.

 

[vantheman77]

My idea was to have Darkseid and his Parademons retrieve Superman out of his grave, mind-control him, and turn him against the JL with a rematch against Batman and a fight against WW before someone snaps him out of it. Realizing what he's done, Superman goes after Darkseid and fights him.

 

[matt47]

No!!! No mind control. No cloned superman. Nothing like that should ever be in this universe. It's such a **** storyline compared to dozens of other stories.

 

[Herolee10]

Well I guess it's just a matter of preference then.

Personally, it would be a step backward to have Superman ruin his reputation because he's being mind controlled after having won the hearts of many with his sacrifice.

It seems like people are divided on this matter as well. Some want to see Superman just return and kick ass.

Others want him to come back in JL simply to be a puppet so the JL can take him down before he takes down Darkseid.

And only a few want to see him come back in JL to actually have some good quality scenes and buildup with the members so that he can actually be considered as founding member as well.

 

[Herolee10]

No!!! No mind control. No cloned superman. Nothing like that should ever be in this universe. It's such a **** storyline compared to dozens of other stories.

Yeah, from the looks of it, I don't think a lot of people care anymore about Superman actually being a part of the JLA and just prefer him to be IN JL film as opposed to being an actual member.

 

[Batmannerism]

Plus, is it too much to ask where they can do a film with Superman that doesn't introduce many scenarios that will likely cause a division amongst fans?

Yup, same page bro.

What's wrong with Supes being brought back to life in the time of greatest need, saving the day and then vowing to stick around to protect Earth from now on. Shakes hands with Batman, kisses Lois and then flies off into the sunrise, smiles at the audience and credits roll ?

That's straight up Superman baby ! Who can argue with that.

Ka-chink, can you hear the billions rolling in ?

(I'm okay with the "he's back and we find out how later on" scenario too, but please let's have a Superman saves the day and we all feel good about it moment - no controversy over broken necks or destroyed cities, just a feel-good, yay Superman ending ? Is that so much to ask ? Batman can be a figure of controversy, but let's get to the point where Superman sheds the angst and takes his place as protector of mankind - I'm not slagging of Man of Steel, I LOVE that film, but I want Supes to move past that. He had a rough start, and will have tough times ahead, but his destiny is indeed to lead mankind forward ( " they will race behind you....")

My thought, listen to "an ideal of hope" about 10,000 times and you get the feeling I'm trying to describe here- because Zimmer got that 100% right.


Sorry, sorry, rant over.

Yo Pale -spoiler dude, great synopsis BTW, how much of Superman's theme do we hear in the movie ? cheers.

 

[matt47]

Yeah, from the looks of it, I don't think a lot of people care anymore about Superman actually being a part of the JLA and just prefer him to be IN JL film as opposed to being an actual member.

Well...screw those people! I want Superman.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

I swear someone said that he barely changes from what we've seen. I think he may only grow the spike where WW cuts his arm off.

This is what i'm thinking.

 

[Markdavid90]

Is there any speculation as to when JL takes place?

We're aware BVS takes place 2/3 years after MOS. My only concern is that if Superman is able to regenerate and come back to life, surely Zod should be able to after 2/3years?

 

[matt47]

Is there any speculation as to when JL takes place?

We're aware BVS takes place 2/3 years after MOS. My only concern is that if Superman is able to regenerate and come back to life, surely Zod should be able to after 2/3years?

That's my question too.

 

[AnneFan]

Well...screw those people! I want Superman.

Yeah. After BvS, I'll be wanting big blue back ASAP. I'd like the character to undergo interesting arcs in the future. But I'd be happy with him resurrecting, putting his imprint on the JL and kicking ass. Coming back from the 'dead' is enough drama for one film.

 

[Herolee10]

I wouldn't be surprised if Clark possessing the Codex within his DNA is one of the reasons why he's capable of coming back from the supposed dead.

You know, I'm kind of hoping that when all is said and done with JL, that you'll feel like that you've gotten Superman's trilogy from MOS, BvS, and JL in one way. I really want Superman to be a big part of the JL and really cement that line that Jor-el told him in MOS where he'll lead humanity to greater heights.

I also want a film with superman where he doesn't have to suffer several personal tragedies.

 

[AnneFan]

I could see the codex coming into play. Not sure how at the moment, though.

 

[sportjames23]

I want a STAS Legacy situation, where Superman is brainwashed and leads an attack on Earth. They could tease it and not let it be revealed as Superman until a little later in the film then we could have him snap out of it in time to give Darkseid a pummelling.

Could be really cool for Cavill aswel cause it would give him some different stuff to do.

Ordinarily, I'd love that. But, with Cavill's Supes already criticized for all the destruction Zod--yes, ZOD--caused in Man of Steel, I'd be hesitant to have him being brainwashed by Darkseid and leading Apokalips to attack Earth. His Superman would never be forgiven for that, both by the citizens of Earth in the movies, and by fans who already blame him for the things Zod did.

I mean, it amazes me to this day that you never hear mention about the destruction Zod brought to Metropolis. Nope, only that Superman caused all that damage in his fight with Zod, nevermind that most of the destruction happened while Superman was on the other side of the globe.

 

[Lone]

I could see the codex coming into play. Not sure how at the moment, though.

I'd like to see them bring the Eradicator into play. Maybe Jor-El implanted it into the codex as a fail safe triggered by Superman's death. I've always liked that bit in the Return storyline.

 

[vantheman77]

I do want to see Superman in the JL, but I don't like the idea of him being brought back only for the third act.

If the JL can function without Superman, then there's no reason for Superman to be in the group. I don't like the idea of the JL under Batman's leadership.

 

[Slade W]

I have been reading that the ending was leaked or something and that supposedly batman fans will be happy and Superman fans will not be. Can anyone tell me what it is please?