BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 3

[ZackBop]

Superman wants to ask Bruce for help in rescuing Martha from Lex's hired goons. Superman's goal is to save Martha's life.

But I've heard that he doesn't even try explaining the situation to him until AFTER the fight. Why would he wait so long?

 

[haephestus]

But I've heard that he doesn't even try explaining the situation to him until AFTER the fight. Why would he wait so long?

I think he tries at least twice. When he first lands, he definitely says something about needing Batman's help. I can't recall whether he says it's to save someone's life or just that he needs help. He *may* have mentioned stopping Lex? Then Superman starts to get annoyed with Batman's constant attacks and tries to make it clear to Batman that he could kill Batman without a second thought as a means to force Batman to surrender and listen to reason.

Batman then uses kryptonite, so Superman is threatened and genuinely at risk of being hurt or dying, which means that Martha would also die. So, Superman allows himself a little more leeway with stopping Batman.

It was a little clunky. But, they needed the "fight" since that is why everyone is turning up to the cinema. Superman could have just flown in, grabbed Batman, taken him high up to the night sky, dangled him by his foot and explained what Lex was doing. That's the trouble with comic books and their adaptations, there is almost always another way for the hero to resolve the issue with their powers, but that wouldn't make for a very interesting story.

 

[JaD]

I think it people are saying that flash said 'SHE is the key'. No specific person was mentioned, though I think prolly referring to the internet's mom ol' Martha Kent. (Who deserves more than Diner work )

That makes more sense then, because Batman seemed very committed to saving her. I'm looking forward to seeing a transcript of everything he said. I didn't catch all of it because of all that static and interference. Damn, that was a cool scene for comic book fans ha. It's too bad that for the general audience that's such a WTF moment

I also can't wait to see screens of that futuristic suit, I remember it being a helmet that pulled back (like Iron Man's suit in Civil War coming up) and it reminded me of some armor from Mass Effect

 

[behemocoatl]

Superman could have just flown in, grabbed Batman, taken him high up to the night sky, dangled him by his foot and explained what Lex was doing. That's the trouble with comic books and their adaptations, there is almost always another way for the hero to resolve the issue with their powers, but that wouldn't make for a very interesting story.

If he did that that would be better performance than getting pummelled like a redheaded batchild by batman.

Me personally, I would have uppercutted him into space. But then again I wouldn't have called myself superman either.

 

[JaD]

It was a little clunky. But, they needed the "fight" since that is why everyone is turning up to the cinema. Superman could have just flown in, grabbed Batman, taken him high up to the night sky, dangled him by his foot and explained what Lex was doing. That's the trouble with comic books and their adaptations, there is almost always another way for the hero to resolve the issue with their powers, but that wouldn't make for a very interesting story.

 

[ZackBop]

I think he tries at least twice. When he first lands, he definitely says something about needing Batman's help. I can't recall whether he says it's to save someone's life or just that he needs help. He *may* have mentioned stopping Lex? Then Superman starts to get annoyed with Batman's constant attacks and tries to make it clear to Batman that he could kill Batman without a second thought as a means to force Batman to surrender and listen to reason.

Batman then uses kryptonite, so Superman is threatened and genuinely at risk of being hurt or dying, which means that Martha would also die. So, Superman allows himself a little more leeway with stopping Batman.

It was a little clunky. But, they needed the "fight" since that is why everyone is turning up to the cinema. Superman could have just flown in, grabbed Batman, taken him high up to the night sky, dangled him by his foot and explained what Lex was doing. That's the trouble with comic books and their adaptations, there is almost always another way for the hero to resolve the issue with their powers, but that wouldn't make for a very interesting story.

Thanks for explaining! It's good to hear that he at least tries to explain. I was under the impression that he doesn't even try.

 

[TWayneP]

That makes more sense then, because Batman seemed very committed to saving her. I'm looking forward to seeing a transcript of everything he said. I didn't catch all of it because of all that static and interference. Damn, that was a cool scene for comic book fans ha. It's too bad that for the general audience that's such a WTF moment

I also can't wait to see screens of that futuristic suit, I remember it being a helmet that pulled back (like Iron Man's suit in Civil War coming up) and it reminded me of some armor from Mass Effect

Oh wow, you're right, it really did look a lot like that type of armor. Nice call.

 

[X Knight]

so....did they provide a good explanation for why the other metas didn't get involved when Zod and co invaded/attacked Earth in MOS?

like, how come WW didn't get involved then?

 

[ZackBop]

so....did they provide a good explanation for why the other metas didn't get involved when Zod and co invaded/attacked Earth in MOS?

like, how come WW didn't get involved then?

I don't know if they address this in the movie or not, but I don't think they do. Either way, I think its kinda self-explanatory. Wonder Woman couldn't get there in time (she lives on the other side of the planet), Aquaman was tending to whatever was going on in the oceans (the World Engine surely affected that as well), Cyborg was still just a regular person, and Flash either didn't have his powers yet, or was perhaps in an alternate timeline.

 

[Broseph44]

so....did they provide a good explanation for why the other metas didn't get involved when Zod and co invaded/attacked Earth in MOS?

like, how come WW didn't get involved then?

We don't really need an explanation, see blow though. Makes sense, seems logical. Works. There ya go.

I don't know if they address this in the movie or not, but I don't think they do. Either way, I think its kinda self-explanatory. Wonder Woman couldn't get there in time (she lives on the other side of the planet), Aquaman was tending to whatever was going on in the oceans (the World Engine surely affected that as well), Cyborg was still just a regular person, and Flash either didn't have his powers yet, or was perhaps in an alternate timeline.

 

[haephestus]

so....did they provide a good explanation for why the other metas didn't get involved when Zod and co invaded/attacked Earth in MOS?

No. But, I don't think one was required. Batman was there as Bruce Wayne (although what he thought he could accomplish in Metropolis is unknown).

Wonder Woman had "retired". And could have been anywhere in the world or on Themyscira. Aquaman was in Atlantis and probably interested in protecting his people from the effects of the terraforming machine that was ripping apart the (Indian?) ocean. Cyborg may not have been created. And The Flash may not have received his powers yet or may have still been training or may not even be The Flash (i.e. a superhero) yet.

 

[TWayneP]

so....did they provide a good explanation for why the other metas didn't get involved when Zod and co invaded/attacked Earth in MOS?

like, how come WW didn't get involved then?

No explanation at all, but there really was no need for one.

 

[The_Shadow]

Flash definitely said Lois Lane is the key.

 

[sportjames23]

It would have been a much better film alone to have the battle more balanced. We have someone who managed to stop Zod grt ***** slapped around after a light gassing with kryptonite. WTF was Snyder thinking. Ideals winning and him not fighting seriously is ******** as those are interpretations, nothing more. In most of the public's eyes yet again Superman is the "lesser". There were kids after who clearly were saying Batman could take out Superman anytime. Seriously Snyder, what the **** kind of stupid director is he? Balance is not hard to achieve. It only majorly takes away from the film to have it so one sided

This is the crap I dreaded when they announced this movie. But, "No, it won't be The Dark Knight Returns!"

This will take away my enjoyment of the film, full stop. And will have me fast forwarding to the Doomsday fight when I get it on Blu-ray.

 

[sportjames23]

And how many times does this point need to be stressed. - SUPERMAN DOES NOT WANT TO HURT BATMAN OR ANYONE FOR THAT MATTER!!!!! HE'S BEING FORCED INTO HURTING/KILLING BATMAN.

It's not a case of being balanced.

Superman does not agree with his ways of beating criminals to a pulp!!

So submitting and sacrificing yourself to save your Mother is lesser than killing someone to save her? It's a lose lose situation for Superman, he choose not to kill Batman to save his Mother which inturn, would result in his Death. I don't find that 'lesser' at all

How many times does it need to be pointed out that this confrontation could have gone down without Superman being bashed around like a ragdoll?

 

[The_Shadow]

^ the Kryponite doesn't even last that long, and Bats is scared ****less once it wears off.

 

[Rapunzel]

Flash definitely said Lois Lane is the key.

Makes sense. She's the one that tells him about Martha, right?

 

[behemocoatl]

How many times does it need to be pointed out that this confrontation could have gone down without Superman being bashed around like a ragdoll?

Completely agree. They had a fair few options; make it even and appease both fanbases, make batman have a slight advantage due to kryptonite (still palateable for superfans) but they went with ...straight up domination by batman (and alienate superman fanbase).

 

[InspecktahDeck]

Makes sense. She's the one that tells him about Martha, right?

I hope it's more that and less "Lois dies and that's all it takes to make Superman go nuts". That's the silliest idea about the character in recent years.

 

[Rapunzel]

Completely agree. They had a fair few options; make it even and appease both fanbases, make batman have a slight advantage due to kryptonite (still palateable for superfans) but they went with ...straight up domination by batman (and alienate superman fanbase).

It isn't domination. It's Batman beating the **** out of a guy who could have killed him, but didn't. Which means Batman is the a-hole and Supes is the good guy. The fight needs to be that way. It's how Supes proves himself to Bats. If Supes gives Bats the beating he could, he proves Bats is right.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

If it makes you feel better by the end they portray Superman as the bigger man. Batman even admits he was in the wrong, having 'failed' superman.

 

[Limonade]

Completely agree. They had a fair few options; make it even and appease both fanbases, make batman have a slight advantage due to kryptonite (still palateable for superfans) but they went with ...straight up domination by batman (and alienate superman fanbase).

Oh man. AngryJoe is a big Superman fan. His rant is going to be crazy this weekend.

 

[Matt]

Based on what I am reading it seems like DC is going all in with a New 52 type continuity, a Clark with no secret identity, a bit more moody, etc. Their Justice League seems to be following suit (Cyborg over Manhunter, for example). Its unfortunate. New 52 is terrible.

 

[JaD]

Oh man. AngryJoe is a big Superman fan. His rant is going to be crazy this weekend.

Yeah, I enjoy him, I'm looking forward to his intro to his video *stares at camera.....* You done f**ked it up! Ha, maybe he'll be like, I'm just kidding I loved it ha.

 

[Rapunzel]

I hope it's more that and less "Lois dies and that's all it takes to make Superman go nuts". That's the silliest idea about the character in recent years.

I think it has to be that. It's the only way too tie the knightmare to the fight.