BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 4

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I have two theories.
The nightmares are caused by Darkseid. I think I seem to recall in Final Crisis he gave people nightmares.
the other theory I have is that it was caused by The Flash traveling back in time to top the Mad Bats time line from coming true...like a temporal echo on Bruce's subconscious

I was actually leaning towards a combination of both. I think Flash showing up actually happened. And I do think the dreams were connected to a future with Darkseid. Whether or not he himself was causing them, I'm not sure. But someone had to be giving them to Bruce. Unless Snyder is going really off script and giving Bats precognition of a sort.

I actually like that it wasn't spelled out. It makes you have to think about it. Not enough movies do that these days, and I don't need every superhero movie to treat me like a child.

But I'm still amazed Snyder actually included that scene with Flash. I was so unprepared for it. Time travel and alternate time lines introduced in the second movie of the DCEU? God, I love where this is heading.
 
Man, this movie is DENSE! I honestly feel that Superman has been through everything that he needed to go through to finally be the one that is known to all CB fans from here on out. There is nothing left in his way. The entire planet should embrace him from here on out. Everyone knows Lex was behind the Africa incident, the incident in DC, and Doomsday. To top it all of he sacrificed himself for the greater good of the human race. I really don't understand why people are overlooking this as I feel it's crucial to the story that is being told in these films.

Speaking of Doomsday, I'm almost certain we won't be seeing him again. If they wanted to they could find a way to bring him back cuz ifor Lex could use a dead Zod to create Doomsday then they could use Doomsday to experiment on. Again, I doubt it happens but there is a possibility to utilize him in the future.

Lex isn't fully evolved either in BvS, and I give the character the benefit of the doubt because he seemed to be just starting out in terms of being a villain. He was very corky and naive but it worked for me. I like the split personality between how he acted in public and how he acted behind closed doors. I'm looking forward to see where the character goes in the future.
 
So does Doomsday end up looking like his comic book design at the end or does he stay looking like a Ninja turtle?

I'm pretty sure his final design was in the trailers. He starts out with no bone spikes. He regenerates and grows limited bone spikes, so he looks somewhat like his comic book counterpart but more ... unformed, soft and lumpy?

To my eye, based on a single viewing where I was more interested in seeing what Wonder Woman was doing, the final design isn't all too dissimilar to the Abomination from The Incredible Hulk.
 
Totally looking forward to a full fledged Superman in JL. There is no other way to go but up for the character. The world will feel his loss and his return will be celebrated. Ten bucks says we get a more smiley Superman by the time JL ends. :p
 
This is why I hate that people read spoilers. Half the people here (if not more) have read the most basic, poorly written sentences that describe the events of the film...before actually seeing these events i the film itself. They've deprived themselves of finding out how these moments actually make them feel, in the way they are meant to be seen.

Good lord get off the soap box.
 
Yeah, I really excited to see where they go with Justice League. I thoroughly enjoyed Kal-el's arc. I hope they release the Ultimate cut relatively soon. I need to see all the stuff that got cut from the film.
 
In regard to Batman's arc and the resolution of the fight:


When we meet this Bruce, he's a jaded and angry shell of his past self with a narrow-minded view of the world around him due to past experiences and, most recently, the Black Zero event in Metropolis for which he was helpless in saving his employees. He feels that his crusade hasn't made a difference and his view on Superman is seemingly a manifestation of that fact that he's essentially lost his faith in humanity, in many ways.

“20 years in Gotham… we’ve seen what promises are worth. How many good guys are left? How many stayed that way?”

This hopeless mindset has led him to become more callous, brutal, and even cruel in his methods. He's clearly not the same kind of man or hero that he once was. Alfred says something along the lines of "this is not how things always were" and, of course, says this:

"That's how it starts. The fever, the rage, the feeling of powerlessness that turns good men... cruel."

While it may seem that he just has this quick change of heart about Superman, there is more to it than that and also a good reason for it. Batman experiences what's called a moment of clarity -- a sudden and deep acceptance of a truth that had been impossible for him to see up to that point.

When he hears the name "Martha" and learns it is the name of Superman's mother who is in danger, he not only suddenly recognizes the humanity within Superman, but also realizes that it was HE who had lost the humanity within him. He had become exactly the kind of monster he thought he was fighting against. He lost the fight with Superman before it even began, partially because the rage and emptiness inside him clouded his judgement to the point that he allowed himself to be so easily manipulated by Luthor -- something I'm guessing wouldn't have happened in the past -- and failed to recognized or believe in the potential for Superman to be inherently good.

This moment -- along with what comes after (fighting side by side with Superman and watching him essentially sacrifice himself) -- does not only change his opinion about Superman, but it seemingly restores his faith in humanity and gives him hope again, as evidenced by the "men are still good" conversation he has with Wonder Woman. Beyond that, this experience is what drives him to want to seek out the other metahumans to join him and Wonder Woman in protecting humanity -- rather than continuing on working alone in near isolation. Let's remember that after the various personal losses he had suffered over the years (including the death his partner Robin and most likely people close to him who turned bad or betrayed him), it's a huge reversal for him to able to trust in other people enough to want to work and fight side by side with them as Batman.

Lastly, in his final scene with Luthor in his cell, it's very telling that he chose NOT to brand Luthor's skin with his symbol (which was said the be a "death sentence" for criminals in prison). To me, this indicates that he's likely leaving behind the "executioner" aspect of his methods and likely going back to being the less brutal, more hopeful hero he once was.

Wow that's deep. To me it seems that the fears I had about Superman being shortchanged were unfounded. This wasn't the Batman show featuring Superman, Supes existence is influencing everybody. Looking forward to seeing how his
death
(wait is this the spoiler thread)? impacts the rest of the DCEU.
 
His death is why the JL is formed so I think that's a pretty big impact. Aside from that, I do hope we get a montage of a world without Superman.
 
Yeah, I really excited to see where they go with Justice League. I thoroughly enjoyed Kal-el's arc. I hope they release the Ultimate cut relatively soon. I need to see all the stuff that got cut from the film.

I'm pretty sure I read August for the Ultimate Edition release....same time as the regular cut. I'd be down with them putting it in theaters with SS.
 
wow that's deep. To me it seems that the fears i had about superman being shortchanged were unfounded. This wasn't the batman show featuring superman, supes existence is influencing everybody. Looking forward to seeing how his
death
(wait is this the spoiler thread)? Impacts the rest of the dceu.

well said!!!!!
 
His death is why the JL is formed so I think that's a pretty big impact. Aside from that, I do hope we get a montage of a world without Superman.

It is THE impact and is perfect for what the movies have been about so far. These movies are developing Superman into what he deserves to be and forming the JL in his honor is a great way to go. I would love to see a Montage of a world without Superman to further show how much the world appreciated him and what he stands for.
 
I find the parallels between the reaction of the world to Superman in the movie and audience reaction to MOS and BvS eerily similar.
 
Superman: "That thing is from my world."

Wonder Woman: "I've faced things from other worlds."(or something to that effect)

:hmr:
 
Hey can anyone answer a question about the bathtub scene? How short is it? How graphic?

And the scene with Ma getting kidnapped--how come nobody rescues her? It seems weird she'd be snatched from a crowded restaurant.

Also--How is Lois kidnapped?
 
Hey can anyone answer a question about the bathtub scene? How short is it? How graphic?
About 2 minutes long. Not graphic, but definitely risque. The cleavage was a welcome surprise, only surmounted by how close the waves of the water were to revealing so much more. :o

And the scene with Ma getting kidnapped--how come nobody rescues her? It seems weird she'd be snatched from a crowded restaurant.
She's snatched from the back alley of a restaurant.

Also--How is Lois kidnapped?
Grabbed on an empty train platform.
 
About 2 minutes long. Not graphic, but definitely risque. The cleavage was a welcome surprise, only surmounted by how close the waves of the water were to revealing so much more. :o

I dunno man...she looked pretty naked to me with maybe pasties on or digitally removed nipples. A welcomed surprise indeed.
 
I dunno man...she looked pretty naked to me with maybe pasties on or digitally removed nipples. A welcomed surprise indeed.

Seemed like her nips were blurred out, maybe they're shown in the extended cut but I could care less. Doesn't add or take away anything from that scene for me.
 
Really?? They spent that long on that scene?
 
Really?? They spent that long on that scene?

Yes. Shady stuff happened in the scene prior and it bothered Lois so she gets in the tub to kind of process what happened and Clark walks in with groceries and Lois asks him what happened. Not super important but it furthers a subplot.
 
Gonna see it again in IMAX 3D in a couple of hours. Hope I can spot new details.

I'm a lil worried about seeing it in 3D. I saw the advanced screening on Tuesday night and it was in regular IMAX and I loved it. I hope 3D doesn't distract me too much.
 
I'm a lil worried about seeing it in 3D. I saw the advanced screening on Tuesday night and it was in regular IMAX and I loved it. I hope 3D doesn't distract me too much.

I'd prefer regular IMAX but sadly it's not an option. :(
 
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