BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 4

[Lone]

So...the scene with Supes kneeling in front of Lex-what's that about? I just realized nobody's said.

He was kneeling to pick up/look at pics of Martha that Lex was chucking at him.

 

[Galactus123]

So...the scene with Supes kneeling in front of Lex-what's that about? I just realized nobody's said.

Lex kidnapped Martha and he said that she will be killed if he doesn't kill Batman. There were photos of her on the ground.

 

[sf2]

so heart broken... that scene...

 

[I Am The Knight]

So is it true that Superman kills in this?

 

[ZackBop]

I hear a lot of people complaining that Lex's motivation isn't fleshed out. Can anyone confirm or deny?

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Zack explains how and why Batman kills in BvS. It's pretty much what many of us likely deduced on our own.

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[WeatherWizard99]

more questions :

2 - does lois interact with martha !?

2 - how is doomsday defeated !?

 

[sf2]

I hear a lot of people complaining that Lex's motivation isn't fleshed out. Can anyone confirm or deny?

he is pure evil. a insane maniac. please believe there is pure evil in this world.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

So is it true that Superman kills in this?

Only in the Knightmare sequence, which may or may not be a potential future.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

more questions :

2 - does lois interact with martha !?

2 - how is doomsday defeated !?

Yes, she does.

Are you sure you want to know how he's defeated?

 

[matt47]

Silas Stone said something about the fatherbox(?) being around since 1982. I wonder if that means anything.

 

[Consona]

As I was saying. Although it was bonkers, it at least gave us the nuclear emanciated Superman homage from DKR. That was an effing creepy visual and OH MY GOD is it going to scar the poor kids who go to see this in the theatre lol.

Yea, he looked really! creepy. The contrast between so handsome Cavill and this post-nuke Supes was almost shocking. I loved that. t: It's just not "safe" CB film everybody is used too now. The undertone of this cinematic universe really is dark and I like Snyder and producers are not scarred to show a more darker side of things.

I mean, Batman in his first scene on that ceiling was scary as hell!!!

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

I mean, Batman in his first scene on that ceiling was scary as hell!!!

I really need to see this movie again soon.

 

[Tim_Riggins]

It really feels like something much much different than your typical superhero film, it dares many many things, now whether or not, you like it, it's a different thing but I'm loving the controversy in a way, you don't often see that kind of heat.

 

[ManWithNoName18]

Snyder response to batman kills

I tried to do it in a technical way. There’s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn’t kill anyone. I think there’s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn’t kill comes from.

So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they’re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy’s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank [himself]. I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy’s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that’s not really my problem.

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ‘You’ve gotta shoot him in the head’ because they’re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ‘I’m not gonna be the guy that does that!’

 

[sf2]

Yea, he looked really! creepy. The contrast between so handsome Cavill and this post-nuke Supes was almost shocking. I loved that. t: It's just not "safe" CB film everybody is used too now. The undertone of this cinematic universe really is dark and I like Snyder and producers are not scarred to show a more darker side of things.

I mean, Batman in his first scene on that ceiling was scary as hell!!!

they could have easily made a happy ending just like the marvels (like ironman in the avengers) but they took the risk...

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Lex kidnapped Martha and he said that she will be killed if he doesn't kill Batman. There were photos of her on the ground.

Very creepy photos à la Barbara Gordon in The Killing Joke

 

[Chip Chipperson]

It really feels like something much much different than your typical superhero film, it dares many many things, now whether or not, you like it, it's a different thing but I'm loving the controversy in a way, you don't often see that kind of heat.

we'll we've seen it for the past 2 movies now

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Snyder response to batman kills

I tried to do it in a technical way. There’s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn’t kill anyone. I think there’s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn’t kill comes from.

So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they’re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy’s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank [himself]. I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy’s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that’s not really my problem.

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ‘You’ve gotta shoot him in the head’ because they’re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ‘I’m not gonna be the guy that does that!’

I linked the video, 9 posts above yours.

 

[Lone]

Snyder response to batman kills

I tried to do it in a technical way. There’s a great YouTube video that shows all the kills in the Christopher Nolan movies even though we would perceive them as movies where he doesn’t kill anyone. I think there’s 42 potential kills that Batman does! Also, it goes back and includes even the Tim Burton Batman movies where this reputation as a guy that doesn’t kill comes from.

So, I tried to do it by proxy. Shoot the car they’re in, the car blows up or the grenade would go off in the guy’s hand, or when he shoots the tank and the guy pretty much lights the tank [himself]. I perceive it as him not killing directly, but if the bad guy’s are associated with a thing that happens to blow up, he would say that that’s not really my problem.

A little more like manslaughter than murder, although I would say that in the Frank Miller comic book that I reference, he kills all the time. There’s a scene from the graphic novel where he busts through a wall, takes the guy’s machine gun…I took that little vignette from a scene in The Dark Knight Returns, and at the end of that, he shoots the guy right between the eyes with the machine gun. One shot. Of course, I went to the gas tank, and all of the guys I work with were like, ‘You’ve gotta shoot him in the head’ because they’re all comic book dorks, and I was like, ‘I’m not gonna be the guy that does that!’

Snyder is awesome LOL. I could see this Batman justifying his actions that way.

 

[matt47]

Very creepy photos à la Barbara Gordon in The Killing Joke

It's almost like this Lex has similarities to Joker!

 

[Mjölnir]

I'm somehow not surprised that Snyder thinks it's not quite killing if you blow up a car with people in it. It's like saying that a suicide bomber didn't murder people, he just blew up himself and others happened to be in the vicinity.

It would have been better if he just said that this Batman kills. That's what he does so just go with it.

 

[matt47]

**** me wait. He actually said that?? I thought that quote was a joke!!

 

[SS Jett]

Yea, he looked really! creepy. The contrast between so handsome Cavill and this post-nuke Supes was almost shocking. I loved that. t: It's just not "safe" CB film everybody is used too now. The undertone of this cinematic universe really is dark and I like Snyder and producers are not scarred to show a more darker side of things.

I mean, Batman in his first scene on that ceiling was scary as hell!!!

Does Cavill slowly return back to normal looking after nuke?

 

[sf2]

i just don't understand the obsession of batman can't do killing.