BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK. - Part 6

Wrong.

From Snyder's own mouth, Snyder devised it. Goyer did go along with it however. Nolan protested.

http://blogs.indiewire.com/theplayl...n-birthright-writer-hates-the-result-20130618

Every bad decision comes back to Snyder.

Goyer's off my **** list. All that remains is Zack Snyder.

It baffles me that people think the writing in this is poor. Whatever.

I don't think the writing was poor but some of Lex's dialogue. For God's sake, talk like a person.

The characterizations piss me off more than the dialogue and the characterizations come from Snyder.
 
On the whole, I actually think the dialogue was really quite good.

I stand by my analogy that the movie plays like Terrio wrote a great script, but Snyder dropped it, lost some pages, got it all out of order and said "Eh, shoot it anyway".
 
If there was dialogue I hated it was so of Batman's and Lex's.

Batman's because the dialogue rips off TDKR "we've always been criminals" get off Frank's dick Snyder.

Lex because he was just as a whole strange. Lex was godawful in the film.
 
so, about the scene with Superman speed blitzing the African Warlord at the beginning.

many here have contended that Superman killed that guy.

while it was heavyhanded on Superman's part, it wasn't clear if he killed the guy. And Clark himself said he didn't kill anyone. I believe one other character ( either Lois or Martha ) also mentioned that.

So, I'm going to take Clark's word on it and say he didn't kill the guy - he just ***** him up pretty badly.

if he did kill him, I think that Senator lady or someone else on the news would have made a point about it to further smear Superman.

besides, how he acted in that scene was very much in line with how this Superman acts whenever someone threatens Lois and his mother.

Yeah, I will take Clark's word over anything.

I mean, if you really want to go with the physics.

He was able to catch Lois at high speed; so, he clearly has good control over his speed (otherwise Lois would end up in pieces).

Same with the warlord.
 
I found Lex, Bruce, Alfred, and Perry's dialogue quite good.
 
I didn't find the writing and dialogue in this to be that much different or worse than other CBM movies I've seen.

(shrugs shoulders)
 
I don't think the writing was poor but some of Lex's dialogue. For God's sake, talk like a person.

There are people who actually talk like that. A friend of mine comes to mind, and the guy went on to win a scholarship and achieved a doctorate. Just because he doesn't talk like you doesn't make him any less of a person.
 
so, about the scene with Superman speed blitzing the African Warlord at the beginning.

many here have contended that Superman killed that guy.

while it was heavyhanded on Superman's part, it wasn't clear if he killed the guy. And Clark himself said he didn't kill anyone. I believe one other character ( either Lois or Martha ) also mentioned that.

So, I'm going to take Clark's word on it and say he didn't kill the guy - he just ***** him up pretty badly.

if he did kill him, I think that Senator lady or someone else on the news would have made a point about it to further smear Superman.

besides, how he acted in that scene was very much in line with how this Superman acts whenever someone threatens Lois and his mother.

Yeah I have said it yesterday. I think he is in hospital. Probably didn't die. lol
 
Alright, so I think I've cracked the knightmare/flash scene. It's a future where Bats and Supes aren't working together, and DS has taken advantage of that. All the JLers are scattered, with nobody working together. Possibly, nobody trusted each other, so nobody helps each other out. Basically, DS has divided and conquered. Nobody has united, so they have all fallen.

The scene with Bats/Supes shows that as a result of this disunity, Lois has died, at some point. Obviously, Supes and Bats having never becoming friends, Bats has no idea what her death would mean to Supes. So he's let her die, probably because he chose not to save her because she stood for helping the alien, and he thus didn't care about her. Without that Martha moment, Bruce sunk into darker depths and likely only cares about killing Supes and Darkseid rather than saving anyone.

Flash's warning is him come from the future to tell Bats that "Lois is the key" to understanding Supes. He says that Bruce "was right about" there being a 1% chance Supes could be our enemy and we should "fear him" if something happens to Lois, cause she is the key to him snapping.

But why warn Bruce about a danger he already knows? That was my problem with the whole scene until I realized: the JL is the prevention of Injustice style Supes.

Flash, knowing that Supes is to be feared, has come back to tell Bruce that he needs to "find them" (the JL members) so that they can work with Supes and keep him good, and Lois safe. But the message is "too soon" and Bruce doesn't understand it.

But after the Martha moment, and seeing Lois come to Supes' aid, and possibly the way he acts with her before he dies, Bruce understands the message. He knows that he should have understood that the key to keeping a good guy good is understanding, empathy, rather than confrontation. He was right to worry about the 1% chance, but wrong to launch a preemptive strike. Instead, he should have talked and worked to get to know Supes, because knowing what makes him tick is the way to prevent the 1% while still taking advantage of all the good Supes could do.

Finding the other metas is the way to make sure none of the other metas become dangers...which is the most effective measure for preventing more disasters. Bruce sees that clearly after learning about the other metas and working with Supes/WW to destroy DD. So even though Supes is dead, Bats ois gonna find them, not because he fears Supes anymore, but because it's the thing that will be his real legacy; it will be the most important thing he ever does, not killing Supes (which is what he earlier thought would be his biggest contribution to protecting the world).

So when Bruce says he "failed him in life" (a statement I thought was strange, given he saved Martha) he is talking about that previous future, where he let Supes down by not being his friend and letting Lois die.

But now, he won't fail him in death, cause he's gonna change his ways, and become trusting....so that his lack of trust doesn't lead to the dystopian future he saw and was warned about. Once he does that, Flash's warning has been heeded, and the future set right.
 
Aquaman's cameo was cringe-worthy. The look on his face didn't convey that of someone who was at home in water…it was the opposite.
 
I don't get that either. Was he supposed to have a big cheeser? Was he supposed to have a little round mouth like a fish? Was he supposed to be kicking back in a deck chair on the ocean floor playing scrabble?
 
He was clearly annoyed that he was being bothered.
 
What does that even mean?

I don't get that either. Was he supposed to have a big cheeser? Was he supposed to have a little round mouth like a fish? Was he supposed to be kicking back in a deck chair on the ocean floor playing scrabble?

He looked menacing, which was all that really mattered. Viewers for whom the Super Friends version might have been their only exposure to the character were probably shocked, and that's a good thing.
 
Aquaman's cameo was cringe-worthy. The look on his face didn't convey that of someone who was at home in water…it was the opposite.

All I got from that Aquaman cameo was "Hey folks, Aquaman exists in this universe!"
 
All I got from that Aquaman cameo was "Hey folks, Aquaman exists in this universe!"

I didn't think any of the cameos were important enough to discuss.

Should have all been post-credits scenes.
 
That Aquaman cameo was awful, you could totally see how he was holding his breath.
It looked like a really bad music video, why would he stand in that pose looking at the camera for so long?

Just terrible.
 
So have they officially announced that was the real Jimmy Olson who was the CIA agent or just a CIA agent using the name Jimmy Olson as his cover?
 
one thing is clear, this creative team does not like Superman. they just don't know what to do with him.
 
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That Aquaman cameo was awful, you could totally see how he was holding his breath.
It looked like a really bad music video, why would he stand in that pose looking at the camera for so long?

Just terrible.

Aquaman looked like he was drowning

The scene was so bad I find it hilariously funny
 
That Aquaman cameo was awful, you could totally see how he was holding his breath.
It looked like a really bad music video, why would he stand in that pose looking at the camera for so long?

Just terrible.

RIGHT? Were a handful of CGI bubbles too expensive to make it look like he was breathing? They sure as **** skimped on his motorboating away scene. I could also hear a fart sound in Snyder's head while editing that.
 
Aquaman's cameo was awkward. The Cyborg portion looked like it was shot in a hastily put together green screen studio.

I don't understand how they messed up 20 second clips.
 
Aquaman's cameo was awkward. The Cyborg portion looked like it was shot in a hastily put together green screen studio.

I don't understand how they messed up 20 second clips.

They had to justify adding Dawn of Justice to the title the cheapest way possible. I hope Lex gets credit for creating their logos too. Or maybe he filed a trademark for them then sues later on in another movie. Justice League: Punitive Damages
 

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