BvS The Unabashed SPOILER Thread. ENTER AT OWN RISK.

[Herolee10]

Can I make a suggestion put your Superman biasm aside for a moment and actually listen to what I'm saying. This is deep down Superman's story MOS, BVS completely revolves around him. Showing the effects of his death is part of his story, his effect on the world both in life and in death how does the world handle themselves without him. Can the heroes manage. This is Superman's story but it's also the story of the world he lives in. Now I know what you're going to say save that for later why, I hate that mentality once you remove all the filler and tweak a few things around you can condense Marvel into about six movies, because they thrive on the idea of save it for the sequel.

There is no reason to do that no reason to hold back, JL should be the conclusion of a story the end of the story began in MOS. Originally there wasn't a cinematic universe, there was just a trilogy MOS BVS JL. That was the plan now going by that plan does it make sense to go all out to tell Superman's story to it's fullest, his impact on the world and what they're like without him? Showing the world embrace him as an ideal, MOS, racing behind him BVS to an extent, he dies. Struggling without him they will stumble they will fall. Superman returns but in time they will join you in the sun.

So I guess the events in WW's Solo Film and SS's film don't really hold much weight in between huh?haha j/k

The whole reason why I got excited about this DCEU was because I wanted to see Superman BUILD relationships with his members.

But so far, it seems as though Batman will be the one most closest to Diana, especially after Superman dies. And it was Batman who receives the message from the Future Version of The Flash.

It'll most likely be Batman and Wonder Woman that'll start the search in recruiting people for the league. So even if Superman comes back and inspires them, they wouldn't all be together if it weren't for....Batman.

Superman's death would serve the same function that Phil Coulson's did (or was meant to) and yet he's hardly considered as the foundation for the group.

Plus, I may be a big fan of Superman but even I don't want to see the heroes presented in a way where they can't get anything done without Superman. Isn't the whole point of the JL to be a group that deals with threats that no single superhero can take on alone?

Another good and recent example to my issue is how Luke was handled in "The Force Awakens". Despite the main plot being all about the search for Luke, I don't remember reading or hearing a lot of people commenting on how it was the search for Luke that kept their attention on the screen, but more on how it was getting to see these new characters for the first time and have them encounter some of our old and beloved heroes from the past. You don't really end up caring about Luke until he shows up...at the very end of the film.

 

[Herolee10]

Unless I got my facts wrong, I just discovered that the person who leaked the photo of Superman looking lifeless said that Superman does die by Doomsday, via his spikes.

So if that's the case, then ****, we are screwed...well I guess me then since I'm the only one that cares about this.lol

Oh and as for the Box Office Z guy, I've been hearing on how the guy made a lot of claims about TFA which ended up being false, so I wouldn't take him saying that Superman makes it out alive as being the case.

 

[BH/HHH]

My main thoughts regarding Supermans (potential death) and summarising what we know (apologies if I miss anything but I'm trying to keep it as brief as possible)

Rumours

There have been rumours that Superman bites the big one in BvS for a long time.

Some have said he sacrifices himself to save the world (although not how) whereas some had said he's believed to be dead because he's takes Doomsday to the Sun but he then returns unexpectedly.

There are also rumours that he dies and returns in the same film.

Doomsday

As we all know it was Doomsday who fought Superman to the death in the comics. Some believe simply with him appearing that we will be getting a death of Superman story arc.

Pictures

There's been a number of pictures, early set pics showed a memorial at Superman's statue and a funeral scene.

The recent leaked pictures have shown a funeral scene with Bruce and Diana present.

But the big one was a Dead Superman, his S Shield scorched.

Visions

We know that there will be visions/dream sequences in the film. Confirmed for both Bruce and Clark.

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So with all that in mind, I will say the first two options should be ignored as rumours are just that, rumours and the fact it happened in the comics does not mean it will happen in the film.

On the images that's pretty damning evidence but here's a few theories I have and this also overs the visions:

The image of a dead Superman

It's clear he's dead on that image. Absolutely no danger. But let's look at the facts. We don't know why context it's in, it could back up he dies and returns but it could also back up the vision theory. One reason I'm leaning more towards the rumour its in a vision caused by Black Adam is the S shield is scorched. What do we know does that to Superman? Magic. It's actually a very accurate comic image of Superman's battles with Shazam. S Shield scorched and all.

Funeral scene

Again we're seeing it out of context and it is just a still frame. For all we know the camera could pan directly to Clark after.

I am actually slightly convinced that WBs have done this on purpose. Leaking images to make people believe Superman dies (it's actually good press for the movie) then they throw a curve ball and actually kill Martha or someone. Does no one else find it strange that of the pics leaked it was those?

I am definitely leaning towards this been a curve ball and that death pic is from the visions. I think to kill him would be silly especially as we know he will be back in JL so where's the surprise?

 

[Slade W]

I don't think Superman will die. I think there is a chance that Batman will win the fight between the two, or at least come out looking like the better of the two. Then I think that Superman will risk the most to stop Doomsday and come close to death, but in the end will survive and win over everyone's trust, both the publics and Batman's. I think that will leave most people happy. Batman fans can be happy that he beat or at least came out of the fight with Superman looking better (and I am sure he will also play a big part in stopping Doomsday). Superman fans can be happy that he is the films biggest hero in the end, after risking the most and playing the biggest part in stopping Doomsday.

 

[Herolee10]

My main thoughts regarding Supermans (potential death) and summarising what we know (apologies if I miss anything but I'm trying to keep it as brief as possible)

Rumours

There have been rumours that Superman bites the big one in BvS for a long time.

Some have said he sacrifices himself to save the world (although not how) whereas some had said he's believed to be dead because he's takes Doomsday to the Sun but he then returns unexpectedly.

There are also rumours that he dies and returns in the same film.

Doomsday

As we all know it was Doomsday who fought Superman to the death in the comics. Some believe simply with him appearing that we will be getting a death of Superman story arc.

Pictures

There's been a number of pictures, early set pics showed a memorial at Superman's statue and a funeral scene.

The recent leaked pictures have shown a funeral scene with Bruce and Diana present.

But the big one was a Dead Superman, his S Shield scorched.

Visions

We know that there will be visions/dream sequences in the film. Confirmed for both Bruce and Clark.

----

So with all that in mind, I will say the first two options should be ignored as rumours are just that, rumours and the fact it happened in the comics does not mean it will happen in the film.

On the images that's pretty damning evidence but here's a few theories I have and this also overs the visions:

The image of a dead Superman

It's clear he's dead on that image. Absolutely no danger. But let's look at the facts. We don't know why context it's in, it could back up he dies and returns but it could also back up the vision theory. One reason I'm leaning more towards the rumour its in a vision caused by Black Adam is the S shield is scorched. What do we know does that to Superman? Magic. It's actually a very accurate comic image of Superman's battles with Shazam. S Shield scorched and all.

Funeral scene

Again we're seeing it out of context and it is just a still frame. For all we know the camera could pan directly to Clark after.

I am actually slightly convinced that WBs have done this on purpose. Leaking images to make people believe Superman dies (it's actually good press for the movie) then they throw a curve ball and actually kill Martha or someone. Does no one else find it strange that of the pics leaked it was those?

I am definitely leaning towards this been a curve ball and that death pic is from the visions. I think to kill him would be silly especially as we know he will be back in JL so where's the surprise?

Unless I got punk'd, I think the person that leaked out the spoiler pictures confirmed that Superman does die in the film, via from Doomsday (slashed by his spikes). I think there's like a link to the page of where they confirm it on Redit.

 

[Herolee10]

I don't think Superman will die. I think there is a chance that Batman will win the fight between the two, or at least come out looking like the better of the two. Then I think that Superman will risk the most to stop Doomsday and come close to death, but in the end will survive and win over everyone's trust, both the publics and Batman's. I think that will leave most people happy. Batman fans can be happy that he beat or at least came out of the fight with Superman looking better (and I am sure he will also play a big part in stopping Doomsday). Superman fans can be happy that he is the films biggest hero in the end, after risking the most and playing the biggest part in stopping Doomsday.

Well if he does die in this film, at least we'll now know that people don't really care as much that Superman dies or not because most (if not all) of the early tweets that I've read have been very positive about this film.

Plus, it seems like a lot of Superman fans are warming up or don't mind the idea that Superman dies in this film, just as long as it's done on a great level..emotionally wise.

 

[Kanye West]

Love superman but his death doesn't bother me at all. It'll serve a purpose.


Plus I can already imagine the scene in JL when everyones down and out and superman comes back to whoop ass. oh lord

 

[Herolee10]

Going through everything that's known now, so it seems like by the end of 2016, Snyder would have... created a divisive film for Superman that has gotten a lot of people to find more ways to mock the character, kill Superman in his second film while allowing Batman and WW to shine and start the JL recruitment without him.

Boy I really take back my comments now about being happy that he came on board for the Superman franchise...

And to think, Superman can't be on TV because he's currently tied up with a cinematic universe that clearly favors Batman and WW over him. Joy.

 

[Roose Bolton]

Well the Death of Superman is a pretty beloved story, and it's not quite as final as say, All-Star Superman.

 

[Kanye West]

Going through everything that's known now, so it seems like by the end of 2016, Snyder would have... created a divisive film for Superman that has gotten a lot of people to find more ways to mock the character, kill Superman in his second film while allowing Batman and WW to shine and start the JL recruitment without him.

Boy I really take back my comments now about being happy that he came on board for the Superman franchise...

And to think, Superman can't be on TV because he's currently tied up with a cinematic universe that clearly favors Batman and WW over him. Joy.

unnecessary ******** before even seeing the product.

Killing superman isn't inherently bad. They can still look up to him in death. Snyder favors superman over batman by a mile.

 

[vantheman77]

I'm a Superman fan and not afraid to show it, but you don't form the Justice League without Superman. Justice League doesn't exist without either Superman or Batman.

The idea of Superman getting defeated by Batman and die by Doomsday does not scream the idea of rooting for him.

All this better be in the nightmares of either Superman or Batman or even Wonder Woman.

 

[AnneFan]

I don't think anyone (including myself) is assuming/nor believes that he'll stay dead.

But then again, I don't think him dying and staying dead for this film really bothers anyone but me at this point.

I really do think Superman will be 'dead', mourned and returned by the time the credits roll on Dawn of Justice. I think the ending will be poignant but optimistic. I honestly don't see them keeping Supes 'dead' going into JL.

 

[Dr doomsday]

So I guess the events in WW's Solo Film and SS's film don't really hold much weight in between huh?haha j/k

The whole reason why I got excited about this DCEU was because I wanted to see Superman BUILD relationships with his members.

But so far, it seems as though Batman will be the one most closest to Diana, especially after Superman dies. And it was Batman who receives the message from the Future Version of The Flash.

It'll most likely be Batman and Wonder Woman that'll start the search in recruiting people for the league. So even if Superman comes back and inspires them, they wouldn't all be together if it weren't for....Batman.

Superman's death would serve the same function that Phil Coulson's did (or was meant to) and yet he's hardly considered as the foundation for the group.

Plus, I may be a big fan of Superman but even I don't want to see the heroes presented in a way where they can't get anything done without Superman. Isn't the whole point of the JL to be a group that deals with threats that no single superhero can take on alone?

Another good and recent example to my issue is how Luke was handled in "The Force Awakens". Despite the main plot being all about the search for Luke, I don't remember reading or hearing a lot of people commenting on how it was the search for Luke that kept their attention on the screen, but more on how it was getting to see these new characters for the first time and have them encounter some of our old and beloved heroes from the past. You don't really end up caring about Luke until he shows up...at the very end of the film.

Yes but the thing about the league is they need each other Superman can't do it alone they need each other. Luke is not the same thing Superman would be back half way in which is plenty of time the league can still work beat bad guys accomplish missions while still missing something. Batman and Diana have always had a deeper relationship barring new 52 especially in the timmverse. WW and suicide squad originally came after the trilogy WW being a prequel after things got underway WW and SS were pushed ahead.

The truth is the justice league are not recruited that's never been how it works that's avengers and let me make this clear JL is not avengers. The JL come together not through recruitment but through a threat that all of them happen to be handling. The league doesn't exist until the end it's formed after the threat is defeated. JL will not be Avengers and people need to stop thinking that. Also I love how people immediately assume batman will win. Not that it matters you root for Superman because of his morals his values, the choices he makes, the man he is, not how much butt he kicks, jeez fans these days.

 

[Herolee10]

I really do think Superman will be 'dead', mourned and returned by the time the credits roll on Dawn of Justice. I think the ending will be poignant but optimistic. I honestly don't see them keeping Supes 'dead' going into JL.

The guy who leaked the pictures supposedly said that superman does die in the film, via Doomsday's spikes.

So it's already not looking good there.

And to the others, DOS only works because Superman was already well loved by ppl then and was an established leader of the JL.

Plus, why should superman fans be happy about seeing superman die in a film where he also gets his assistant kicked by batman?

And does nobody else care that this will severely limit on what superman can do in the jl?

 

[Herolee10]

Yes but the thing about the league is they need each other Superman can't do it alone they need each other. Luke is not the same thing Superman would be back half way in which is plenty of time the league can still work beat bad guys accomplish missions while still missing something. Batman and Diana have always had a deeper relationship barring new 52 especially in the timmverse. WW and suicide squad originally came after the trilogy WW being a prequel after things got underway WW and SS were pushed ahead.

The truth is the justice league are not recruited that's never been how it works that's avengers and let me make this clear JL is not avengers. The JL come together not through recruitment but through a threat that all of them happen to be handling. The league doesn't exist until the end it's formed after the threat is defeated. JL will not be Avengers and people need to stop thinking that.

The EW article, or somewhere else, mentions that it's Bruce (and Diana as well, I think) that begin to wonder the possibilities of how other meta humans can be of aide to humanity. So that right there should indicate that they'll play a substantial and ACTIVE role in the formation of the Justice League.

 

[BH/HHH]

Well if he does die in this film, at least we'll now know that people don't really care as much that Superman dies or not because most (if not all) of the early tweets that I've read have been very positive about this film.

Plus, it seems like a lot of Superman fans are warming up or don't mind the idea that Superman dies in this film, just as long as it's done on a great level..emotionally wise.

When I saw the pic it was posted by a guy who said it was taken by his cousin but he didn't give any explanation for it.

 

[Herolee10]

When I saw the pic it was posted by a guy who said it was taken by his cousin but he didn't give any explanation for it.

I think there was a link posted somewhere on reddit where there's a caption to it saying that he dies in the film from doomsday.

 

[Dr doomsday]

If so not to surprising because batman was the one who came up with the idea, in the DCAU Batman was the one who came up with it. Superman is the moral compass that keeps everyone together, he's not the leader per say nor would he think he was. Recruitment doesn't fit Superman he believes in other people making their own choices.

 

[JoshuaGraham]

I think there was a link posted somewhere on reddit where there's a caption to it saying that he dies in the film from doomsday.

That caption was not from the guy who put up the pictures, it was from some guy theorizing what happened. That guy never said anything about spikes either.

 

[Herolee10]

If so not to surprising because batman was the one who came up with the idea, in the DCAU Batman was the one who came up with it. Superman is the moral compass that keeps everyone together, he's not the leader per say nor would he think he was. Recruitment doesn't fit Superman he believes in other people making their own choices.

I thought forming the jl was Superman's idea in the DCAU. He even mentioned on how seeing what they accomplished together against the white Martians is what gave him the idea.

 

[Herolee10]

That caption was not from the guy who put up the pictures, it was from some guy theorizing what happened. That guy never said anything about spikes either.

Really? Hm, that's interesting to note. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Slade W]

Well if he does die in this film, at least we'll now know that people don't really care as much that Superman dies or not because most (if not all) of the early tweets that I've read have been very positive about this film.

Plus, it seems like a lot of Superman fans are warming up or don't mind the idea that Superman dies in this film, just as long as it's done on a great level..emotionally wise.

Not everyone going into this film is a Superman or Batman fanboy. Most people just want a good movie. A hero dying to save the day is normally a good and memorable ending, if not a bit sad and emotional. If Superman died and people are happy, it doesn't mean that they do not like Superman and are glad that he died because they do not care about him, it just means they thought the film overall was good and enjoyable. It would be the same if Batman died at the end of a good film too.

 

[DCmania]

If you ask me Superman dying at the end of BvS is the absolute best play here. I mean come on, Doomsday is in it we have the formation of the Justice League in lieu and you're telling me they aren't going to utilize one of the most high profile story arcs of the last 30 years(make that two, along with the Dark Knight Returns). It's obviously not confirmed yet but if this pans out my prediction would have come true and besides the fact that I will be quite chuffed with myself there is a more pragmatic reason to root for this outcome. First of all it essentially endears Superman to all naysayers and fans alike in the DCUniverse and ours. In a sense it basically means that the whole DCEU revolves around Superman. As i've posted elsewhere it could be used as a reason for creating the Justice League...and for those worrying that leaves him out of future films well, come on, there's no way they would do that. Surely they will find a way to bring him back, much like in the comics. Let's not forget the sheer epicness of the end battle that would result in Superman's death. My only concern is in how they go about said battle and how they go about bringing Superman back in JL P1. I hope it's done tastefully and explained in a satisfactory way(superman doesn't really die but goes into self preservation mode or something). Preferably, it should be in a Superman saves the day but dies in the process kind of way(the Superman: Doomsday animated movie dealt with that brilliantly), rather than have him die unceremoniously while the other two vengefully take down Doomsday. Fingers crossed my hopes for this franchise come true.

 

[Herolee10]

On a side note, I finally understand on what some golden age superman purists felt when Mos came out... to be adamant and stick to their beliefs on how they wanted superman to be.

Things would definitely be easier if I could just jump ships to team batman or not care if superman died or not.

2016 really isn't the good year for boy scout heroes dressed in red and blue.lol

 

[Dr doomsday]

I thought forming the jl was Superman's idea in the DCAU. He even mentioned on how seeing what they accomplished together against the white Martians is what gave him the idea.

Not entirely we see batman watching the news where a general asks what we will do if the invaders return, batman then ponders the question cut to everyone on the watchtower clearly he had some role but I do remember Superman's speech as well maybe it was both I'm not sure one scene suggests one thing another the other though Superman definitely came off as the heart of the team but both scenes suggest a role in the founding of them.