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I should clarify, not that borrowing is ACTUALLY illegal, but I think you can make a case for it if they ever pursued it. And Xbox seems to be the ones who are looking into this.
 
I think they spent way too much time talking about how it's your new cable box.


I don't even use cable. I watch all my shows on Hulu or buy them on Amazon instant video.
 
HauntedKnight said:
While I find this annoying, you have to look at how things technically are. Anytime someone borrows a game or movie, it's really no different than downloading from a torrent. You don't own that copy and according to the law you don't actually have a right to do such a thing. Do I agree with it? Nope, but it's just a digital way of preventing what is in a way stealing. Borrowing is really no different than pirating. I think people are upset because the technology is catching up with the law. Like pirating, they are catching up with preventing you from lending as opposed to just fighting uploads.
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There you go, perfectly said IMO.
People are just used to being able to do what ever they like.
So if something like this is imposed they get all mad that they can not get way with getting or giving "free" stuff.

But as you said, Person "A" buys a game.
Loans (or gives) it to Person "B"
Person "B" might as well illegally download (torrent) the game because it is the same thing, they did not pay for the game.

Comes down to the makers of the game getting what is owed for the use of the game. I for one do not mind this.

For the argument.. I bought the game I can do what ever I want.
(really.. go make copies and hand them out and see what happens.)

The Law is what it is.
 
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Sorry I disagree with the pirating anology, I see what your trying to get at but I'd say borrowing a game from a friend is just like renting a movie from Blockbuster or Netflix, they're not going to have it for a lifetime, and if they really like the game then they will buy it themselves. A game is a bit different from movies as there's a lot more to look at that you can't just see from a sypnosis or cover, and let's not forget the gigantic price difference between them. I'd rather have a go on a game for a day before deciding if wanted to spend $60 on it thanks.

On the XBoxOne thing, I thought Sony's conference was much better handled and gave alot more information that was relevent to the gaming community, whereas Microsoft is clearly trying to branch out and reach to the general consumer market as well as gamers, problem is like everyone else has said, they've put the 'gaming' aspect on a side burner which is the opposite of what they should be doing. At the moment I'm swaying alot more to Sony PS4, but I'll hold out till E3.
 
Scarlettess said:
Sorry I disagree with the pirating anology, I see what your trying to get at but I'd say borrowing a game from a friend is just like renting a movie from Blockbuster or Netflix, they're not going to have it for a lifetime, and if they really like the game then they will buy it themselves. A game is a bit different from movies as there's a lot more to look at that you can't just see from a sypnosis or cover, and let's not forget the gigantic price difference between them. I'd rather have a go on a game for a day before deciding if wanted to spend $60 on it thanks.

On the XBoxOne thing, I thought Sony's conference was much better handled and gave alot more information that was relevent to the gaming community, whereas Microsoft is clearly trying to branch out and reach to the general consumer market as well as gamers, problem is like everyone else has said, they've put the 'gaming' aspect on a side burner which is the opposite of what they should be doing. At the moment I'm swaying alot more to Sony PS4, but I'll hold out till E3.
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Blockbuster, netflix.. ect.. have a license to do so.

If some Joe opened up his garage and started renting out Games and Videos I think the Law might come a knocking ;)

I can see why people are mad, I understand. I also see MS's view point, they have always seemed to be one of the front runners on Piracy and such so this is not a surprise.
I am not upset. Probably will still get the new Xbox, I want to see if my Xbox will do what I tell it to "Xbox go to (insert Porn site name)" ;)
I play my games and then they collect dust lol.
 
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All this news (if true) just makes me sad, I really hope Sony doesn't go this route. I get that it's the way technology is headed and bla bla bla, and I'm not old, but I'm an old school type of guy. There is NO reason why the Kinect always being on should be mandatory. You can gee, I don't know, manually turn on the console. Hell, you have a controller if you can't/ are too lazy (:lmao: at those people). I think I'll stick with my N64 this generation if the PS4 does the same thing. Might even buy a Wii U for Super Smash Bros 4 and play with my cousins like we always do with each new one
 
As much as I am sure the PS4 will lead the way in innovative and diverse games....Xbox One will be the bigger system simply because of it's online component. Friends want to play with friends after all. :)
 
Destructus86 said:
As much as I am sure the PS4 will lead the way in innovative and diverse games....Xbox One will be the bigger system simply because of it's online component. Friends want to play with friends after all. :)
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Again people said the same thing about the PS3 after Sony had created two of the most popular consoles ever. The reason that won't work this time is because no backwards compatibly for either of the systems. So that means everyone will start anew. You can't use the "My friends are on Live" excuse as much because no one has purchased either or yet. If Sony gets the hardcore gamers (which is looking like they will this time) it's the early adopters of a system, and usually when their friends want to get one they will get the one that their friends already have. And it goes on and on. That's what happened to the 360. Most gamers got Live first so everyone followed. The same could happen here with the PS4. Early adoption is important.
 
Solidus said:
Again people said the same thing about the PS3 after Sony had created two of the most popular consoles ever. The reason that won't work this time is because no backwards compatibly for either of the systems. So that means everyone will start anew. You can't use the "My friends are on Live" excuse as much because no one has purchased either or yet. If Sony gets the hardcore gamers (which is looking like they will this time) it's the early adopters of a system, and usually when their friends want to get one they will get the one that their friends already have. And it goes on and on. That's what happened to the 360. Most gamers got Live first so everyone followed. The same could happen here with the PS4. Early adoption is important.
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And I hope your right. In a way though...i'm sort of glad PS3 wasn't the big dog in the current gen...I think that encouraged them to really focus on exclusives. It's how we got some of the best games of this generation. If Sony had been top dog...I wonder if they would be going the route MS is going now.
 
http://www.develop-online.net/news/44278/Xbox-Live-gets-Smart-Match-and-personalised-Achievements

I like the Friends list capacity going above 100 (now 1000)..I keep having to delete real life friends who are hardly ever online in favour of people I play more regularly with.

And I hope that Smart Match matchmaking really does match on reputation as well as other factors. Then all the cheats can play against each other and cheat to their heart's content. :woot:

The recording & saving recent gameply function similar to PS4 I'm going to be using all the time for epic single player campaign moments & for when I actually do ok at multiplayer! Love that about next gen.
 
This is why I still by dvds/blu rays/books/comics phisically and avoid games with online passes, I don't like the control companies have over digital content. You could see this sort of thing coming about, I mean you buy a game now and then have to pay additional money to unlock 'bonus' content that is already on the disc you purchased, so I guess this stuff is no surprise. I just keep hoping that it could be down to Microsoft being unclear, but it's seems unlikely.
 
Personally I've never had Live except for that trail I tried out once, so the thought of it nearly-always being online puts me off a bit. Always kinda been a solo gamer except for MP Campaigns and Team Ups. Its funny you say the friends thing, because most of mine were on 360 to being and now all have PS3's. :funny: I just hope Sony doesnt bring in the pay for Live buss as thats one where they have the upperhand right now as well as the used game thing.
 
Watching Angry Joe's rant now. Dude is maaaad. :funny:
 
Scarlettess said:
Personally I've never had Live except for that trail I tried out once, so the thought of it nearly-always being online puts me off a bit. Always kinda been a solo gamer except for MP Campaigns and Team Ups. Its funny you say the friends thing, because most of mine were on 360 to being and now all have PS3's. :funny: I just hope Sony doesnt bring in the pay for Live buss as thats one where they have the upperhand right now as well as the used game thing.
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Yeah if my main friends moved then I would too. Although I'd likely get them both anyway. Just a shame they're not BC as I'll have to keep all of these consoles & their previous iterations. Takes up too much space and leads to more cluttter than I already have with all those wires.

Sony would find it hard to introduce that now but I'm sure the management would rather have 40m or so people paying $30-$40 per year on a low cost revenue stream than whatever competitive advantage it gets them. Better for them to compete on issues on which they can make money, like more exclusive games.
 
What's In A Name? 'Xbox One' Could Confuse Average Gamers

Yesterday, when Microsoft finally announced the successor to their Xbox 360, Don Mattrick took the stage with a giddy grin.

"Today, we're thrilled to unveil the ultimate all-in-one home entertainment system," the Microsoft executive said. "The one with the power to create experiences that look and feel like nothing else. The one that makes your TV more intelligent. The one system for a new generation. Ladies and gentlemen: introducing Xbox One."

One. One. One. The rhetoric has a nice rhythm, doesn't it? And indeed, when I first heard the name, I thought it was kind of neat. Xbox One: the one device you need in your living room. The Power of One.

Then I started talking to friends about it. Not hardcore gamer friends—the friends who play Call of Duty and Madden and occasionally Skyrim, and who don't read websites like Kotaku unless one of our articles happens to pop up on their Facebook feeds. Here's an example of what these conversations have looked like:

Jason: "So have you heard anything about Xbox One?"

Friend: "Nope. What's that?"

Jason: "The new Xbox. It was just announced yesterday."

Friend: "Oh. Wasn't Xbox One the first Xbox?"

Now I'm worried. I'm worried because Microsoft's press conference yesterday was not designed for the hardcore gamer, yet the hardcore gamer is the person who needs to explain to his or her friends just what an Xbox One is. I suspect that a lot of us will be calling it "the new Xbox," which strikes me as a recipe for disaster. Just ask the Wii U.

Granted, the Wii U was its own kind of disaster: I'll always remember sitting in the audience and watching the looks of confusion during Nintendo's E3 press conference in 2011, when the Mario makers announced a new console that looked and sounded like a Wii accessory. The name "Wii U" still confuses people today, to the point where Nintendo needed to write up special marketing materials just to explain that it's a new machine. (Seriously, why couldn't they just go with "Wii 2"?)

But the situation might be similar. This is the year of the prequel, and the name "Xbox One" sounds like it will fit nicely alongside Batman: Arkham Origins and Assassin's Creed IV. When your average video game fan hears the name "Xbox One," he or she will not think, "Oh, that's the one device I need in my living room." He/she will think, "Why did they go back 359?"

Average people might not see Xbox One as an accessory, but they sure could think it's a remake of the first Xbox. Or a lesser version of the Xbox 360. And while this sort of brand confusion may not destroy Microsoft's new console, it could very well hurt Xbox One in the single market Microsoft is pursuing hardest: casual TV watchers and video game fans.

CNET asked Microsoft program manager Jeff Henshaw about this confusion, and his answer was not comforting:

I think after today, there's just no question about it. I think there was a few minutes of "hmm" but then as soon as people realize what it's all about and understand the experience, the One brand immediately gets applied to this new generation of experience.

The thing you have to bear in mind, is that if you look at the original Xbox, the experiences have grown to become so dramatically rich and different. There's no resemblance anymore between the two. You can't confuse them in any way. So when people say "Xbox One," it's going to be reflective of this new generation of experiences. I really don't think there's going to be any confusion.
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Hubris! There might not be much of a resemblance between the old Xbox and the Xbox One, but can "Xbox One" really dig its claws into pop culture the way "Xbox 360" did? Or will we all just casually refer to it as "the new Xbox" when talking to our friends and family members, for fear of confusing the heck out of people who don't religiously keep up on gaming news?

As Microsoft touts the futuristic new features that really could be game-changers, like cloud computing and an overhauled version of the Kinect body sensor, they have saddled their system with a name that evokes the past. "Xbox One" does not say next-gen; it says "we're starting over." And I think it will confuse more than it clarifies.
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I like how people are equating loaning something to a friend with torrenting. Classy. Every company has their loyalists, I guess.
 
Mainstream Media Reacts to Xbox One


"It’s bizarre. On my Twitter feed, in the Kotaku comments and from what I've heard from people involved in the games industry, the reaction the Xbox One reveal has been overwhelmingly negative. But the mainstream media? They seem to have missed the memo.

While we've been spending the last five hours complaining about the lack of new titles and issues with used games, they’ve been praising the design, the ethos and—yes—the games.

Are gamers living in some weird echo chamber? Execs at the Microsoft event in the US believe the reaction has been mostly positive. Aaron Greenberg mentioned to Kotaku Editor Stephen Totilo that Twitter’s reaction to Xbox One was roughly 40% positive, 40% indifferent, 20% negative. When I heard this I almost burst into laughter - that can't be possible. But then I did a brief check of multiple different mainstream media outlets - how had they reacted to the Xbox One news?

The answer may surprise you.

Are we the 20%?"


Fox News

Indeed, the Xbox One demonstration was so impressive it made me wonder, why the heck didn't they do this with the disastrous Windows 8?

CNN

The console itself is more angular and practical looking than either of its two predecessors. Flat and rectangular like a cable box, you could almost call the design reserved. But it is by no means unattractive, and will probably sit tucked away in a cabinet anyways.

The Register

On the face of it, the new console looks pretty impressive. Response times and gesture control are very good indeed, the visuals are stunning, and Microsoft scored an instant win over rival Sony by actually having a working console to show off. The demonstrations were in a tightly controlled environment, but the upgraded Kinect system looks impressive and the console looks very speedy to operate.

The Sydney Morning Herald

Xbox has been the exclusive home to such popular gaming franchises as sci-fi first-person shooter Halo, racing simulator Forza and alien shoot-'em-up Gears of War. In recent years, Microsoft expanded the scope of the Xbox 360 beyond just games, adding streaming media apps and the camera-based Kinect system. With the innovations showcased on Tuesday, Microsoft is taking those ideas further.

News.com.au

Key features of the Xbox One revealed in Microsoft headquarters in Seattle are advanced voice controls and the inclusion of a new-generation Kinect controller with every console, allowing you to switch from watching TV to playing games by spreading your arms as if you are grabbing the screen similar to the way you pinch an image on a smartphone or tablet.

The Sun

But the news that really got gamers salivating was the exclusive gaming deals they announced.

Call of Duty: Ghosts takes the critically-acclaimed franchise into the next generation. Downloadable content for the new Call of Duty game, Ghosts, is available exclusively first on the Xbox, as is FIFA 14′s Ultimate Team feature.

Fans were treated to some spectacular footage from both flagship titles, as well as some glorious footage of Forza Motorsport 5 — one of a number of titles that will be available as soon as the console is out.

MSNBC

Out in the Twitter peanut gallery, we've been hearing people calling the case design "boxy." One guy said, "Looks like a VCR. Hopefully that means it will play VHS," while another echoed, "Does it come with a cassette rewinder tho?"

Cosmetics aside, the response for the whole system seems more upbeat, ranging from "Sexy" to "Can't wait to have mine!" But this is a big year for gaming, and things are just heating up.
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Technology....double edged sword.
 
Really? The Sun? get the out here. Nothing against you Project.
 
Dugath said:
There you go, perfectly said IMO.
People are just used to being able to do what ever they like.
So if something like this is imposed they get all mad that they can not get way with getting or giving "free" stuff.

But as you said, Person "A" buys a game.
Loans (or gives) it to Person "B"
Person "B" might as well illegally download (torrent) the game because it is the same thing, they did not pay for the game.

Comes down to the makers of the game getting what is owed for the use of the game. I for one do not mind this.

For the argument.. I bought the game I can do what ever I want.
(really.. go make copies and hand them out and see what happens.)

The Law is what it is.
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That's why there's a law called the first-sale doctrine. Purchasing the game makes you a lawful owner. You therefore have the right to do with it as you choose whether you give it away or sell it. Your argument would basically make giving a gift illegal. Obviously there are limitations, such as making copies and distributing them.
 
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