The Dark Knight Rises Tom Hardy as Bane XIV

[I'm Not a Hero]

DoomsdayApex is right Bane is awesome. Joker sucks.

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[joker1524]

nolans overrated..schumacher...now thats a film maker

 

[lgi]

I wonder if they'll do a montage of Bane's prison time. Woulda they show his past, starting with him doing being born in prison, or would they just start with Bane as an adult?

I would like to see him meditating, reading books, working out in his cell, and prison fights. I want to see an elaborate prison break. I also want to see a scene where Bane is stalking Batman, and after he sees Batman's trying to save an assailant's life, for Bane to say "You do not kill That is strange. A creature cloaked in nightmare. A figure of terror in a city of terror. And yet you will not break the sixth commandment".

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Seriously, it's like I said before. There are some things in life that people like or dislike, with which I disagree so much, that I am just unable to understand it, no matter how much someone will explain it to me. But in no way do I ever say their taste is bad or that they're wrong because I disagree. If I gave that impression, I am really sorry.

No problem. Water under the bridge comrade.

You don't have to visit other sites or fora to see that. Thing is, I'm not one to get defensive over a fictional character. So, to think that I got one on the chin because you have a favorite villain that's not the Joker is... wrong. I won't defend the Joker, but I can defend why I think he is not only not overrated, but also that I think he has more merits than Bane.

You did state your personal connection to the character of Bane, but allow me to retort: I am as close to Peter Parker as you get (minus the hot redhead girlfriend). I have so much in common with him, I can't even begin to tell you. However, I think that Bruce/Batman has more merits as a character than Peter/Spidey. Now, while I like Bats a bit more than Spidey, I like the Joker light years more than Bane and that's why I'm unable to understand why someone would prefer the latter over the former. But, again, I don't think you have a bad taste in villains because of that.

That is true, but The Joker is the most overused villain in the Batman Universe. Bane, on the other hand, has the appearance of a one-dimensional or second-tier villain because of the writers. Rumor has it that these a**holes only used Bane as a stepping stone (a process to introduce Jean-Paul Valley aka Azrael).

Bane has an incredible amount of potential (and he's shown that several times in the comics) but that is solely up to the writers to show him the justice he deserves. Hopefully Nolan will bring out Bane's best qualities, and show the world that Bane is no second-tier villain under the right direction.

Hell, even his name stands for poison, destruction, misfortunate and distress. Bane's arc will always stem from the Anti-Batman route. So in the end, I could care less if several sources named The Joker as Batman's greatest foe, I will always disagree. In a head-to-head match up, Bane would dismantle The Joker.

 

[lgi]

 

[The Joker]

In a head-to-head match up, Bane would dismantle The Joker.

The Joker would also lose a fight to Killer Croc, Man-Bat, Solomon Grundy, Catwoman, Lady Shiva, Clayface etc.

That doesn't make them better villains than Joker any more than Bane.

 

[lgi]

Bane and Joker's method and motivation are different. Apples and oranges. Bane's purpose was to break the bat and rule Gotham. Joker's motivation is chaos and madness.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Jokers quite smart, im sure he would figure out a way to dismantle Bane in a one on one battle. Comparing those two in a fight makes no sense, Bane is a highly trained physical menace where as Joker, well we all know Joker, hes just not that.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

The Joker would also lose a fight to Killer Croc, Man-Bat, Solomon Grundy, Catwoman, Lady Shiva, Clayface etc.

That doesn't make them better villains than Joker any more than Bane.

No lying about that. However, it's more than just physical attributes with Bane. It's his ability to manipulate, form battleplans and strategies, remain detached and remorseless, execute disguises and escapes with grand proficiency, master any weapon and fighting style he touches, establish an impressive amount of knowledge in the scientific field, and utilizing his photographic memory to unheard of levels.

THAT makes him a far more imposing threat than The Joker.

 

[KRIM]

Yes, at face value it would appear that Bane, more than any of the other villains, offers a more rounded threat to Batman. On paper, he is the most similar to Bruce and that provides intriguing parallels for whenever the two clash. Unfortunately writers have rarely taken full advantage of this so Bane never had a shot at getting to the big leagues.

Joker has built up a formidable legacy that has cemented his spot as Batman's true arch-nemesis. So while it is possible for Bane to be redeemed and given as much care as Joker, he has a very long time to even approach Joker.

 

[The Joker]

No lying about that. However, it's more than just physical attributes with Bane. It's his ability to manipulate, form battleplans and strategies, remain detached and remorseless, execute disguises and escapes with grand proficiency, master any weapon and fighting style he touches, establish an impressive amount of knowledge in the scientific field, and utilizing his photographic memory to unheard of levels.

THAT makes him a far more imposing threat than The Joker.

Except the Joker has all of that. The Joker is a master of manipulation. TDK really touched on that attribute. Ditto with his plans and strategies. Detached and remorseless, the Joker has a masters degree in that. Bane at least has a warped code of honor in the comics that's been seen from time to time. Whereas Joker has zero empathy.

Knowledge in the scientific field, the Joker has formulated multiple poisons and toxins, has an insane amount of knowledge in engineering and explosives, and in the last couple of decades writers have portrayed him as very computer literate, too.

Name me one thing Bane has done that shows him as a greater threat to Gotham than Joker.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Except the Joker has all of that. The Joker is a master of manipulation. TDK really touched on that attribute. Ditto with his plans and strategies. Detached and remorseless, the Joker has a masters degree in that. Bane at least has a warped code of honor in the comics that's been seen from time to time. Whereas Joker has zero empathy.

Knowledge in the scientific field, the Joker has formulated multiple poisons and toxins, has an insane amount of knowledge in engineering and explosives, and in the last couple of decades writers have portrayed him as very computer literate, too.

Name me one thing Bane has done that shows him as a greater threat to Gotham than Joker.

Ah, but see The Joker in The Dark Knight found a downfall which eventually led to his defeat. The Joker underestimated humanity's ability to overcome its own flaws. The Joker's strategy depended on humanity's dark impulses, and it worked for most of the film but it ultimately cost him. When coming to Bane, he won't be relying on humanity's dark impulses to get what he wants.

You Joker fans state it best from time to time. It's the Joker's madness that is his scariest attribute, but it is also his weakness. He's completely reckless and out of his mind. Comparing that with Bane, he is the complete opposite. Bane is stoic, composed and disciplined.

It's a matter of question: Who do you want attacking your empire? Caligula? Or Hannibal The Conqueror?

 

[Goku Goes Crazy]

That's awesome. Would love for a scene like this to be in the movie.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

That panel would make a perfect scene in the film, and I could see it done exactly the same on film and work perfectly. I hope we get this kind of exchange between Bane and Bats.

 

[KRIM]

Anything would beat the lackluster first-encounter between Batman and Joker.

 

[The Joker]

Ah, but see The Joker in The Dark Knight found a downfall which eventually led to his defeat. The Joker underestimated humanity's ability to overcome its own flaws. The Joker's strategy depended on humanity's dark impulses, and it worked for most of the film but it ultimately cost him. When coming to Bane, he won't be relying on humanity's dark impulses to get what he wants.

Quite the contrary. The Joker succeeded in breaking Gotham's White Knight, and it's because of that success that Batman is now a fugitive because he knew Joker would win if people found out what happened to Harvey.

I'm sure Bane will rely on something else which will ultimately fall apart and lead to his downfall. After all, his only real claim to fame in the comics was breaking Batman, and he only managed to do that by tackling Batman when he was at his weakest. You think Bane would have fared better if he had the guts to face Batman in his prime, instead of kicking a dog when it's down?

Don't get me wrong, it was a clever way to beat Batman, but it would have been far more impressive if he had bested Batman when Batman was at his peak.

Ultimately it was a psychotic altar boy named Azrael in a trumped up Batman costume that beat the hell out of Bane and defeated him.

You Joker fans state it best from time to time. It's the Joker's madness that is his scariest attribute, but it is also his weakness. He's completely reckless and out of his mind. Bane, on the other hand, is stoic, composed and disciplined.

Joker's insanity does not equal to stupidity. Quite the contrary, it fuels his intelligence. Ultimately it has to lead to his downfall eventually. He cannot be omnipotent. Every villain has to have a weakness.

Bane relies heavily on his venom and his brute strength to over come those who challenge him. It's his crutch and his weakness.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Like I said above, alot of comic fans found the finale to be quite absurd. They build up this man to appear nearly unstoppable and then... Azrael shows up in a tech suit and nearly kills him with ease. Yeah, bulls**t.

The writers screwed up the character. It's clear to me that they only used him for Azrael's arrival.

Really? I severely disagree. It may not be your cup of tea but Bane's tactics lead to him destroying the Bat with a 100% certainity.

 

[lgi]

He has since kicked his venom dependancy in Vengance of Bane II.

 

[I'm Not a Hero]

Quite the contrary. The Joker succeeded in breaking Gotham's White Knight, and it's because of that success that Batman is now a fugitive because he knew Joker would win if people found out what happened to Harvey.

I'm sure Bane will rely on something else which will ultimately fall apart and lead to his downfall. After all, his only real claim to fame in the comics was breaking Batman, and he only managed to do that by tackling Batman when he was at his weakest. You think Bane would have fared better if he had the guts to face Batman in his prime, instead of kicking a dog when it's down?

Don't get me wrong, it was a clever way to beat Batman, but it would have been far more impressive if he had bested Batman when Batman was at his peak.

Ultimately it was a psychotic altar boy named Azrael in a trumped up Batman costume that beat the hell out of Bane and defeated him.



Joker's insanity does not equal to stupidity. Quite the contrary, it fuels his intelligence. Ultimately it has to lead to his downfall eventually. He cannot be omnipotent. Every villain has to have a weakness.

Bane relies heavily on his venom and his brute strength to over come those who challenge him. It's his crutch and his weakness.

what kind of suit is batman wearing there?

 

[DoomsdayApex]

^ I am utterly disgusted by the writers regardless.

 

[The Joker]

Like I said above, alot of comic fans found the finale to be quite absurd. They build up this man to appear nearly unstoppable and then... Azrael shows up in a tech suit and nearly kills him with ease. Yeah, bulls**t.

Not bull s***. Bane was not shown to be nearly unstoppable in Knightfall. He spent most of it just sitting back watching Batman deal with the Arkham escapees. The only person he showed off his strength on was Killer Croc. Batman has whupped Croc many times.

Then he breaks Batman when he's at his weakest. So where is this "unstoppable" image coming from?

The writers screwed up the character. It's clear to me that they only used him for Azrael's arrival.

It's not clear to me. If they wanted a replacement Batman then there was a million ways to do it. They didn't have to introduce Bane to do it.

Really? I severely disagree. It may not be your cup of tea but Bane's tactics lead to him destroying the Bat with a 100% certainity.

Yes, it was. I'd say even Killer Croc or Clayface could have taken Batman down, too, given the sorry state he was in when Bane confronted him.

I said it was a clever way to beat Batman, but not an impressive one. Impressive would have been beating Batman in his prime. Not when he's weak as a kitten. An "unstoppable force" wouldn't need to take on Batman when he's weak.

 

[lgi]

I do not like the way that Bane is portrayed in Secret Six. It's a big difference from the way he was in Bane of the Demon:

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Not bull s***. Bane was not shown to be nearly unstoppable in Knightfall. He spent most of it just sitting back watching Batman deal with the Arkham escapees. The only person he showed off his strength on was Killer Croc. Batman has whupped Croc many times.

Then he breaks Batman when he's at his weakest. So where is this "unstoppable" image coming from?

From uncovering Batman's identity, finding his Batcave, and breaking his back. Don't know another villain who has done all three.

Please name me a villain who has done what Bane has to Batman in that fashion.

It's not clear to me. If they wanted a replacement Batman then there was a million ways to do it. They didn't have to introduce Bane to do it.

Conjecture.

Yes, it was. I'd say even Killer Croc or Clayface could have taken Batman down, too, given the sorry state he was in when Bane confronted him.

I said it was a clever way to beat Batman, but not an impressive one. Impressive would have been beating Batman in his prime. Not when he's weak as a kitten. An "unstoppable force" wouldn't need to take on Batman when he's weak.

Ha! Yes, why don't we go with a cliche or predictable maneuver then? Let's kidnap or threaten Batman's love interest. Yes, that sounds like prime meat to me.

 

[lgi]

Bane didn't just want to fight Batman. He wanted to break his spirit, his will. He wanted to rule Gotham. I don't get this whole "Well, all he did wad let inmates out" thing. Bane didn't just want to pump himself with Venom and beat him in a back alley somewhere.

 

[I'm Not a Hero]

what kind of suit is batman wearing there?

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