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Discussion in 'The Dark Knight Rises' started by Thread Manager, Jul 22, 2012.
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Point is that the film spent time building up a character by really feeding through our brains that he was too extreme for ras and the los...i dont mind the romance with talia because its accurate but all the build up to that moment when infact banes only crime was just having feelings for her just seemed so anti-climatic
It's an abrupt death for sure but he hardly went down like a b***. I mean he got hit with a freaking cannon from about 10 feet away. That would destroy anyone. And funny enough I took that as that only a cannon could stop him. Lol
I don't see how as the plan didn't change and [BLACKOUT]it was logical that he had to stay with Batman as Talia couldn't handle him.[/BLACKOUT] How did Bane go down like a *****? it took [BLACKOUT]a cannon blast from a bike to finish him off. [/BLACKOUT]
Man people are reading way too much into Bane's last scenes.
They didn't turn him into a "sympathetic villain". All they did was show that the guy who breaks necks and beats the **** out of people was motivated by a little more than the strictures of the LoS. His feelings for Talia do not take away from his personal goals, but rather complement them.
LOL this is hilarious watching people try to deconstruct every detail in some way to continue the train to negative town.
@ Hunter Rider - agree 100% on Bane's demise. How do people not realize that the way he went out is a compliment to how villainous and threatening he was?
"Batman beat Bane and the Nolans added something to his character - ZOMG I DON'T LIKE IT!!!"
"But then he was given another chance to end Batman and the only way to beat him was to blast him to hell - ZOMG I DON'T LIKE IT!!!"
This board is sounding like irrational children.
I actually liked the movie...going for my 4th showing tonight...not everybody is going to like every detail of the film
I agree, I've been here nearly 8 years and never have I seen such over analysation of any movie.
What I mean is, he didn't go down swinging. He basically got sucker punched. Vader's death was epic because not only was it an act of redemption, but he was on his last breath and was STILL fighting. Bane was hurt for sure, but it seemed like he had already recovered and he was going to shoot Batman in the face with a shotgun. Not quite as badass as breaking his back.
The plan didn't change but again, Bane's importance diminished....that's why he was offed the way he was. If his importance hadn't diminished he would've had a death that felt more meaningful and bitter sweet as Ra's or Two Face's.
And again, he might not've gone down like a b*** per-se...but he got sucker punched like one.
Anyone can be blasted by a cannon and go down. If anything, what made him such a physical threat was the fact that Batman couldn't beat him in a fist fight until he figured out Bane's weakness (his mask).
On my first post I expressed that I thought Bane was handled perfectly with only one exception, his death. If you think that sounds like an irrational child, I'd say you're just projecting.
Same I'm going for my third. I just feel like almost every thread has turned into "Nitpick problems or things I didn't like" and it really feels like people really don't like this movie. But I went to the poll thread and that restored my faith a little.
One thing that is really rubbing me the wrong way is people are asking for an extended cut.... Really? Probably the worst thing that came out of ME3 ending controversy is now a lot of people feel that if they don't like something, if the complain enough they'll get an extended cut/recut to their liking.
I see what your saying. And I'm gonna have to respectfully disagree I think it's definitley a matter of opinion. For me I thought it was a fitting death getting taken down by a cannon and by Catwoman. In my eyes it was kind of like ANH when Vader blindsided by Han after Han said he was leaving and he was saving himself.
I've been thinking the two Batman vs Bane fights and I love the fact in the first fight it is to Banes advantage fighting in close surroundings in the darkness, like he says he was born in it. And the advantage in the second fight is on Batmans because it is in the daylight and more open, I think that was a really clever move by Nolan, going back to the 'mind your surroundings Bruce' kind of thinking.
The over analyzing wouldn't be a problem if it weren't rooted in such illogical, irrational forms of "reasoning". People are complaining excessively because that's the thing to do, now. A month ago the thing to do was say, "Who is John Blake today?" and rail on people who talked about Blake theories. A week ago the thing to do was look at negative reviews and complain about those reviews' criticisms.
All of the criticisms of TDKR can be applied moreso to TDK and BB. All the films have some liberties in the script with going from point A to B.
I think TDKR is a tighter movie than TDK, and that's because Bane's goals are clearer and more focused. Joker was an anarchist. You could spend days complaining about everything Joker did, and wondering where he got all his resources, and how he rigged up all his traps, etc.
Bane was f**king awesome. Scary, powerful, dangerous. He didn't go out like a b*tch as everyone is complaining. He went out the only way someone like him could go out.
I saw KalMart say he thought Bane should have died with Talia's arms in the blast - what? That would mean the nuke would have gone off in Gotham and killed everybody, or Bane would have grabbed the bomb and hung onto hit...what?
In a few weeks people are going to look back and realize how ridiculous and unfounded their complaints are.
@ Dorky - I didn't mention you specifically, calm down. Read the previous posts in this thread (and others). The majority of complaints are indeed irrational.
How did his importance diminish? He was left to finish off Batman because he was the only one that could, I don't see how you get a more important role than that. Just curious, would you have liked it better had [BLACKOUT]Talia and him went after the bomb together and he'd been involved in the chase and died with Talia at the wheel?
Again I don't see how, how could he have possibly foreseen or had any defense against what happened? if anything the fact he had to be taken out with something so powerful and by surprise simply elevated his threat factor IMO.
Which means something I take?
Gotta agree with all this and like you I'm not aiming it at Dorky, his point at the very least has the value of alternate options of how it could have been done.
Personally I think people built this film up to a ludicrous fever pitch in their minds, they had it all worked out and then Nolan went and told the story he wanted to tell and for some it was like a betrayal and they've lost their **** through it. Some of the posts I am reading on here make a strong case for justifying why this section is hated so much by the rest of the board.
It means this section is breaking records in never before seen ludicrous nitpicking, whining and ridiculous over-analysation.
This is the third post you've made like this today to me, if you have something to get off your chest, please feel free to spit it out.
Talia is what makes his blood thirst even bigger...?
facepalm...I didn't say that. Again, be logical.
Bane's pure rage and power come from his upbringing. His goals have been shaped by the LoS and Talia.
This...is not hard to understand.
Have most of you turned off your brains just so you can complain incessantly and fit in with the rest of the board?
The insinuation was clear enough...and I AM calm. If anyone should calm down, it's you.
Left to finish off Batman by shotgunning him in the face? Even Talia said he wants Batman to feel the heat of the nuke. Again, it just feels like "let's get Bane out of the way so we can have Batman and Catwoman chase after the nuke". Batman needed to save Gordon and his family from Two-Face but the movie didn't forgot about Joker once he revealed what happened to Harvey. Nolan gave him a memorable, haunting laugh as his last appearance in the film. On the opposite side of the coin (pun intended) Bane barely got to taunt Batman before he got killed.
Maybe...if they had killed Bane off in a memorable way. I would've liked it more if Bane had maybe pulled Batman so that he's face to face with him and taunting him about Batman's failure to protect Gotham or how these last few minutes will be the most agonizing moments of Batman's life knowing that he has to wait for Gotham's destruction at the hands of Ra's successors. Even if he ended up getting shot the way he did, at least he would've had a memorable death scene.
Other than the Batpod making noise as it rolls up the steps?? It just felt like a Dues Ex Machina moment. Selina didn't have a clever, witty line before she shoots Bane. Batman doesn't make a gesture for Selina to shoot or anything. Bane is holding a shotgun to Batman's face then all of the sudden Bane just gets shot. It's just not a scene that's as meaningful or memorable as Ra's death.
Again, anyone can get shot with that cannon and die. Even the Tumblers were crippled after one shot. What made Bane so threatening wasn't that he died from a blast from a cannon....it was that he was stronger, in some ways smarter, and more skilled in hand to hand combat than Batman. He outmatched Batman in almost every aspect.
Yea, you aren't projecting at all...
Very mature... my brains are intact, thank you.
I meant that she's the main reason that he does what he does. Some people see that as "she's controlling him", but I don't buy that.
I will after I see it this tuesday.
I agree with that. She influences him but doesn't "control" him.
The best reasoning often lies in the middle, not at one end or another.
This is where I always have the problem, he's the villain, he had already lost to Batman, that was the victory, Batman faced him one on one and kicked his ass and turned his "permission to die" line on him, it was done, Bane then decided he needed to simply take care of Batman instead of some attempt at Bravado, to me that made more sense than farting around.
To me the death of Bane was simply the finality of it, the memorable moment was when Batman beat him and turned his threat on him.
There was an absolute war going on outside and Bane had just been pummeled, I doubt he was focusing on anything but Batman, plus it served as Selina's "heroic chocie" reveal moment.
Yes and Batman had already beaten him, Bane's fear grip was broken, now the story was there to serve Selina's choice and continue on with the story, this was Batman's movie and he was the focus, so to me Bane's loss to Batman was the memorable moment, Selina simply put the nail in his coffin in her casual style, which was a cool moment for her character IMO.
Look, if all you're going to do is come in here and complain about how people are complaining...you're no better than those who just come in here to complain. Calling people irrational children for expressing their opinions is being childish itself...since children like to namecall and that's basically what you're doing. If you don't like seeing the complaints and criticisms then move along. If you can't handle the heat, get out the kitchen. You're on a forum with a bunch of fellow geeks and fanboys, complaints and criticisms come with the territory.