WB/DC: It's All Part Of The Plan

[Spirited Away]

It's not even a TV movie. Literally just two episodes spliced together.

Not really true. The TV movie was originally a single episode, but PSW felt it was too rushed and made it a two-parter, i.e. "Society" and "Legends".

Then the network (CW) and studio (WBTV) came in and said they wanted to make it Smallville's first TV movie, "Absolute Justice", with an increased budget and more time spent on producing it.

And it's already confirmed that it'll be presented as a TV movie. (Of course, for syndication purposes it'll also have two 1-hour episode versions made.)

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

Actually it is true. None of what you're saying disputes the fact that they're splicing two episodes together and presenting it as a "TV movie." Doesn't matter how it was going to be a single episode and then they opted for a two-parter. Big deal.

 

[Man of Tomorrow]

Showtime/FNJ,

In regards to your article 'Smallville: Somebody Save Me,' what about this from E?

"Ryan in North Miami, Fla.: OK, Kristin, let's try this one more time please. I would really like to know if Smallville is being renewed for a 10th season or even if the CW is considering it. I would be forever and eternally grateful if you would at least try and find out. I would even tell my sister to name her next kid after you.
Here's hoping it's a girl! I have it on good authority the CW most definitely wants a 10th season. Smallville is kicking gluteus maximus in the ratings. "


So CW is happy with the ratings and is pushing for S10?

 

[FilmNerdJamie]

The CW is happy with Smallville being one of their lowest rated shows?

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

The CW is happy with Smallville being one of their lowest rated shows?

My thought exactly.

 

[Fresh Prince]

i agree his idea was interesting dont know if i would be down with it totally myself, but i dont think it probably would have gone over well with the fans.

If done right it could of been great....How many films you think that would of took up?

 

[Showtime]

The upcoming big-budget TV movie -- featuring Hawkman, Doctor Fate, Stargirl, Sandman, Green Lantern, Martian Manhunter, Doctor Hamilton, Amanda Waller, a yet-unknown supervillain, the regular cast (Clark/Blur, Chloe/Watchtower, Oliver/Green Arrow, Lois(/Stiletto? - jk!), Tess and Zod), amongst other JLA members, dozens of action sequences, hundreds of special and visual effects, and not to mention fully-realised costumes for the entire cast, including the possible debut of the new Superman proto-suit -- seems to indicate otherwise.

WB isn't going to put their biggest character on the back of Smallville The Movie on the big screen. That will never happen. All the mini series or two episodes glued together in the world won't change that. Sorry.

I mean, there is quite clearly an audience for new-SV - Amazon.com and Best Buy completely sold out of Season 8 DVDs on Friday, and both stores have since had to buy stock from rival competitors, because WB can't physically re-issue more copies out of Mexico until mid-December.

I guess it's too bad the same people buying those DVDs aren't turning in every Friday to help Smallville out of being the show with the least viewers on Friday night and the 2nd lowest rated show on CW.

 

[Showtime]

Showtime/FNJ,

In regards to your article 'Smallville: Somebody Save Me,' what about this from E?

"Ryan in North Miami, Fla.: OK, Kristin, let's try this one more time please. I would really like to know if Smallville is being renewed for a 10th season or even if the CW is considering it. I would be forever and eternally grateful if you would at least try and find out. I would even tell my sister to name her next kid after you.
Here's hoping it's a girl! I have it on good authority the CW most definitely wants a 10th season. Smallville is kicking gluteus maximus in the ratings.
So CW is happy with the ratings and is pushing for S10?

Are you really going to trust somebody who says that "Smallville is kicking gluteus maximus in the ratings"? Again, it has the 2nd lowest viewership on CW and the lowest viewership amongst Friday's first run network shows.

People can run around and talk about multipliers, Twilight taking away from it, it doing well in the 14-16 teens with silver braces category and other such excuses all they want but the show isn't fairing well against its competition. Not to mention it is on a network who now wants to cater to the female audience.

Why we are talking about Smallville in the Superman section is beyond me anyway. The plan for Superman doesn't and won't include Smallville on the big screen. Tom Welling will be 40 by the time they get another Superman out anyway. Take the Smallville talk to the Smallville forums.

 

[Fresh Prince]

SV doesn't need to go to the big screen really.

 

[raybia]

SV doesn't need to go to the big screen really.

I think that the show should be canceled after this season and then WB needs to put Superman away until they figure out how to get him back on the Big screen.

 

[raybia]

Obviously no one does know how they work. Wb's best strategy if they want to settle right now is to make the franchise seem worthless in order to get a settlement then say they are developing a movie which is going to make millions. They could have a few scripts unofficially completed and off the books and when a settlement happens go full steam ahead (best case scenario). Worst case they know they're doing a reboot and they have a plot. I just find it hard to believe that they hired 3 comic book writers all of whom have written, in the process of, or pitched an origin story at some point in there careers and not one has touhed the superman property.

Now that I read your post its obvious that this is what WB is doing which means it will be a number of years until we see a new Superman movie. I would say 2015 at the earliest, so with 2012 coming first...well better to go out with SR that Superman 4.

 

[Fresh Prince]

^ Yeah S4 was an abmoination....Nuclear Man was one of the worst villians of all time.

 

[Webhead2006]

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[Webhead2006]

Well hopefully if they get all the legal stuff settled they can finally make decisions that put the next film in the right directions. It just does suck it will be a who knows when/if it will happen any time soon. only mircale would be if the dame legal stuff get settled sooner rather then later.

 

[Spirited Away]

I guess it's too bad the same people buying those DVDs aren't turning in every Friday to help Smallville out of being the show with the least viewers on Friday night and the 2nd lowest rated show on CW.

Firstly, the high DVD sales indicate the show has a very strong and profitable audience beyond television. This is great news for WB. Secondly, the Friday ratings have been good enough for the CW to confirm early to E! the show's returning next season.

Live ratings are solid given its deathslot, with the show winning the 8pm hour in male viewers, averaging 2.5M viewers. Factor in DVR, which the CW still counts, the shows getting 3.5M weekly, making it the network's third most popular series overall.

And unlike many other series, Smallville scores extremely high in repeats - episode Saviour scored 1.5M viewers in repeats, and will push over 2M when DVR's factored in. FOR A REPEAT. Smallville is also a Top 5 series in online sales and streaming.

Note: the above is just ratings info regarding the series' performance on the CW in the US. Factor in DVD sales, syndication and international sales, and the series is easily WB most profitable series since Friends.

 

[Spirited Away]

I've read the Think McFly Think article, and think its got the wrong end of the stick regarding the TV movie.

The TV movie isn't a marketing ploy to save Smallville - the show's doing great as it is. TVbytheNumbers.com says its the best performing series on Friday nights across all networks (in comparative terms).

Instead, the TV movie is a 'Justice' back-door pilot to see if the CW can debut and own a 2 hour programming block on Fridays, winning both hours in men 18-49, in preparation for next season. If it does, the CW can cut their losses in bothering with pilots for the post-Smallville slot, and can just announce Season 10 AND Season 1 of Justice, come February.

If it doesn't pay off, still expect the Season 10 announcement, plus any new pilots they have in development to enter production.

 

[Mr. Earle]

ROTF was one of the most successful movies of all time. It doesnt negate the fact that it was a pile of crap.

 

[Spirited Away]

ROTF was one of the most successful movies of all time. It doesnt negate the fact that it was a pile of crap.

What relevance does that have?

We're discussing numbers here, not artistic integrity.

 

[solidsnake86]

^Once again though what does smallville have to do with a superman movie if we know there isnt going to be a movie for another 3 years minimum. Smallville is probably costing them money by having to pay out the estate, same with the comics. The only difference is that it is a much smaller portion then that of a movie.

 

[Showtime]

Firstly, the high DVD sales indicate the show has a very strong and profitable audience beyond television. This is great news for WB. Secondly, the Friday ratings have been good enough for the CW to confirm early to E! the show's returning next season.

Live ratings are solid given its deathslot, with the show winning the 8pm hour in male viewers, averaging 2.5M viewers. Factor in DVR, which the CW still counts, the shows getting 3.5M weekly, making it the network's third most popular series overall.

And unlike many other series, Smallville scores extremely high in repeats - episode Saviour scored 1.5M viewers in repeats, and will push over 2M when DVR's factored in. FOR A REPEAT. Smallville is also a Top 5 series in online sales and streaming.

Note: the above is just ratings info regarding the series' performance on the CW in the US. Factor in DVD sales, syndication and international sales, and the series is easily WB most profitable series since Friends.

I've read the Think McFly Think article, and think its got the wrong end of the stick regarding the TV movie.

The TV movie isn't a marketing ploy to save Smallville - the show's doing great as it is. TVbytheNumbers.com says its the best performing series on Friday nights across all networks (in comparative terms).

Instead, the TV movie is a 'Justice' back-door pilot to see if the CW can debut and own a 2 hour programming block on Fridays, winning both hours in men 18-49, in preparation for next season. If it does, the CW can cut their losses in bothering with pilots for the post-Smallville slot, and can just announce Season 10 AND Season 1 of Justice, come February.

If it doesn't pay off, still expect the Season 10 announcement, plus any new pilots they have in development to enter production.

What did you not understand about me telling you and everybody in this thread to stop talking about Smallville. There is an entire Smallville section, you can go there and bring your convuluted logic and claims with out evidence to that area. This section is about SUPERMAN and this thread is about what the plan for Superman is at WB, Smallville has nothing to do with Superman on the big screen.

CW never confirmed the show was returning for a 10th season, like many of your other claims, you have no links or evidence. The show is not doing great. You want to talk numbers, let us talk numbers.

90212 CBS' "Big Bang Theory" has enjoyed the largest ratings increase among returning shows this fall, while ABC's "Ugly Betty" has suffered the greatest drop-off.

That's part of the findings in a new study by Horizon Media measuring which returning shows grew and shrank the most compared with last year.

One of the report's most striking points was that (in the adult demo, at least), the CW has taken hard hits across the board: "Smallville" (-39.8%), "Gossip Girl" (-30.9%), "90210" (-28.3%), "One Tree Hill" (-25.3%), "Supernatural" (-22.4%) and "America’s Next Top Model" (-18.3%) all fell double digits. One would expect older series like "Top Model" and "One Tree" to drop like that, but "Gossip" and "90210?"

The greatest drop off was Ugly Betty at 46+%, Smallville is 2nd. Which means 2ND WORST.

http://www.thrfeed.com/2009/12/biggest-ratings-gainers-shrinkers-fall-.html

1) Lowest Viewership Among Friday Shows Excluding Reruns.
2) Smallville Loses To Reruns of House Every Week
3) Lowest Viewership On The Network With The Exception of Melrose Place.

Now enough. We all have brains and we all know how to read, if you want to keep making claims then provide evidence, but you're not doing it here because this section has nothing to do with Smallville. This is the end of the Smallville discussion in this thread. If you want to continue it, you can have some time off. If I'm not around, C. Lee would be glad to make that possible.

 

[C. Lee]

This is the end of the Smallville discussion in this thread. If you want to continue it, you can have some time off. If I'm not around, C. Lee would be glad to make that possible.

I was just about to make a similar post.....now let's get back to discussing Doc Savage.....

 

[Spirited Away]

I'm the same Spirited Away as the one on Coming Soon, you have to be seriously thick to not get the hint.

There's not going to be an all-new Superman movie. It's not even on the internal database we use for licensing.

The ONLY active Superman-related projects (in development, pre-production, production and post) are five WB Premier titles (all animated) and Smallville. I'm 100% certain there's no Superman in Green Lantern either, as its not included in the licensing profile.

Good-day.

 

[raybia]

I'm the same Spirited Away as the one on Coming Soon, you have to be seriously thick to not get the hint.

There's not going to be an all-new Superman movie. It's not even on the internal database we use for licensing.

The ONLY active Superman-related projects (in development, pre-production, production and post) are five WB Premier titles (all animated) and Smallville. I'm 100% certain there's no Superman in Green Lantern either, as its not included in the licensing profile.

Good-day.

Yeah, Superman in a live action movie is done for awhile. Maybe its for the best to get some distance between SR and all of the legal matters.

2020 might be a good time for a new one.

 

[Mr. Earle]

I dont care. Its been 4 years and the film will need at least 2 for pre production and shooting, so basically we re looking at more than 6 years later from SR.
I say bring it on.