The Flash who is savitar !?

[laytonc32]

I say it is probably Ronnie. Something must have happened to him when he went into that time paradox and when Flash created flashpoint it allowed him to come back.

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

How can Barry not know in 2024 but figure it out in 2017. Everything was set up the same. In 2024 she was in league and knew who it was. In 2017 their partnership was just formed. So if Barry couldn't figure it out then how in the hell does he travel back and just figure it out. It just comes to him 😂😂

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

I bet savitar is 2024 Barry Allen.

 

[WeatherWizard99]

so my idea was harry ...

- fits with the fake wells line since harry always had some disrespect for hr ...

- fits with the fact that jesse´s father was good except for in earth-3 in the comics just like earth-1 wells and hr are good but harry is evil if he really does become savitar

- makes a little sence since he and jesse are not in the 2024 sceanes ... if something happened to jesse as a result of barry´s actions he could theoretically want to take the most important person from barry´s life as revenge

- could explain why it was so shocking for wally ... seeing his father-in-law behind the mask of a killer ... also explains the brutality svitar had with wally ... he could blame him for not saving jesse

- harry is a tech guy ... meaning he has the knowledge to build the suit

there is a problem throught ... 2024 cisco did mention all the bad things that happened to wally but didn´t mention jesse dying ...

possible explanation - it only happens in 2056 ... explaining 2056 barry´s guilty massage that appeared on legends

furthermore I believe the traitor is not catlyn but cisco ... savitar´s suit looks like the future barry´s suit from the new 52 comics and that barry also had a robotic hand ... like cisco has ... this could mean nothing since it´s a very weak lead but it could be a significant easter egg

let me know your toughts

 

[General Mike]

Earth-19 Laurel, just because

 

[guitarsingerguy]

How can Barry not know in 2024 but figure it out in 2017. Everything was set up the same. In 2024 she was in league and knew who it was. In 2017 their partnership was just formed. So if Barry couldn't figure it out then how in the hell does he travel back and just figure it out. It just comes to him 😂😂

I was JUST fixing to post this.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

so my idea was harry ...

- fits with the fake wells line since harry always had some disrespect for hr ...

- fits with the fact that jesse´s father was good except for in earth-3 in the comics just like earth-1 wells and hr are good but harry is evil if he really does become savitar

- makes a little sence since he and jesse are not in the 2024 sceanes ... if something happened to jesse as a result of barry´s actions he could theoretically want to take the most important person from barry´s life as revenge

- could explain why it was so shocking for wally ... seeing his father-in-law behind the mask of a killer ... also explains the brutality svitar had with wally ... he could blame him for not saving jesse

- harry is a tech guy ... meaning he has the knowledge to build the suit

there is a problem throught ... 2024 cisco did mention all the bad things that happened to wally but didn´t mention jesse dying ...

possible explanation - it only happens in 2056 ... explaining 2056 barry´s guilty massage that appeared on legends

furthermore I believe the traitor is not catlyn but cisco ... savitar´s suit looks like the future barry´s suit from the new 52 comics and that barry also had a robotic hand ... like cisco has ... this could mean nothing since it´s a very weak lead but it could be a significant easter egg

let me know your toughts

Like 2024 Cisco? It can't be because he's trapped in the speed force at that time.

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

I was JUST fixing to post this.

An underlining theme this whole season is about time and Barry changing it to suit him. My best guess is Barry realizes savitar is himself something that Barry couldn't figure out before because he was to obsessed with traveling in time to fix it and not succeeding.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

An underlining theme this whole season is about time and Barry changing it to suit him. My best guess is Barry realizes savitar is himself something that Barry couldn't figure out before because he was to obsessed with traveling in time to fix it and not succeeding.

That and the entire season has preached consequence about changing time. I guess it could be a version of Barry that at some point realizes the consequences of his own meddling and decides to try and set it right. Who knows.

 

[Spider-Fan83]

^ but does that fit in with how Caitlin reacted to the reveal and was so quick to follow who it is...?

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

That and the entire season has preached consequence about changing time. I guess it could be a version of Barry that at some point realizes the consequences of his own meddling and decides to try and set it right. Who knows.

I agree like hey iris would have never died at the hands of savitar if you never created a paradox by saving your mother and not letting rf kill her. Even tho he eventually let it happen it shifted everything around and why the speed force was so unwilling to help him because he lies and says he ive learned but truly doesn't

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

^ but does that fit in with how Caitlin reacted to the reveal and was so quick to follow who it is...?

Well yeah I mean if she doesn't want Caitlyn coming back and having the killer frost persona dominate then who better to learn from than future evil Barry because if Barry can go rogue and evil then he would be perfect to help killer frost kill off Caitlyn in her mind.

 

[KidFlash6969]

Not sure how, or what or why or anything but I feel like Savitar has some tangential connection to Cobalt Blue...

Savitar's costume and blue energy just scream Cobalt Blue to me:

The other connection is Savitar gaining his power through the Philosopher's stone:

Cobalt Blue gains his powers through the use of an ancient talisman/gemstone called "blue fire" in a very similar way.


Abra Kadabra calls Savitar one of Flash's greatest villains (at the end of the day the show always respect the comics, and to create a whole new villain and have him be one of Barry's "greatest enemies" doesn't seem like something they'd do).

Cobalt Blue for sure qualifies as one of Barry's biggest villains, particularly as the founder of the Thawne dynasty and being Barry's twin.

Again, no clue exactly how Savitar and Cobalt Blue would be connected, or the details or character backgrounds that would be changed for the show, but I'm putting my money down that they're related some how.

 

[guitarsingerguy]

^ but does that fit in with how Caitlin reacted to the reveal and was so quick to follow who it is...?

See, I think that was a slight of hand on their part. We're supposed to automatically think it's Ronnie, but I think it's misdirection.

 

[WeatherWizard99]

Like 2024 Cisco? It can't be because he's trapped in the speed force at that time.

if you are talking about the traitor cisco I would assume it´s 2056 cisco ... if my theory is correct that is when savitar began

 

[legendkillin]

I think it is Ronnie with how quickly Cait responded.

 

[Dark Raven]

I bet savitar is 2024 Barry Allen.

It doesn't really make sense to be 2024 Barry Allen though. We already saw him. He is a broken man after what happened with Savitar killing Iris. Why would he turn into Savitar and go and kill Iris himself, thereby breaking himself even further?

2024 Barry didn't seem like he was anything but a hero, albeit a broken one. He also didn't know who Savitar was.

My guess is that Wally is in that catatonic state, not just because his spine was shattered, but because he's in a state of extreme shock because he saw who Savitar was and the reveal was so horrifying to him.

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

It doesn't really make sense to be 2024 Barry Allen though. We already saw him. He is a broken man after what happened with Savitar killing Iris. Why would he turn into Savitar and go and kill Iris himself, thereby breaking himself even further?

2024 Barry didn't seem like he was anything but a hero, albeit a broken one. He also didn't know who Savitar was.

My guess is that Wally is in that catatonic state, not just because his spine was shattered, but because he's in a state of extreme shock because he saw who Savitar was and the reveal was so horrifying to him.

The way killer frost said you don't have hate in your eyes so your past flash or however she worded it made me think Barry was rogue and already a villainous person and his acting just screamed untrustworthy

 

[Dark Raven]

The way killer frost said you don't have hate in your eyes so your past flash or however she worded it made me think Barry was rogue and already a villainous person and his acting just screamed untrustworthy

Future Barry said that Iris was the love of his life. So he goes back and kills her so that his own past is affected, leaving him a broken man so that he has to experience it himself? Is he some kind of masochist?

And why would future Barry help out present Barry to stop Mirror Master and Top and help to reform Team Flash only to go off again to kill Iris, if he hasn't done so already?

If Killer Frost said that future Barry had hate in his eyes, it might be to do with Barry's feeling towards her because of her helping Savitar, or it might be hate towards Savitar himself.

 

[Reverse-Zoom]

Future Barry said that Iris was the love of his life. So he goes back and kills her so that his own past is affected, leaving him a broken man so that he has to experience it himself? Is he some kind of masochist?

And why would future Barry help out present Barry to stop Mirror Master and Top and help to reform Team Flash only to go off again to kill Iris, if he hasn't done so already?

If Killer Frost said that future Barry had hate in his eyes, it might be to do with Barry's feeling towards her because of her helping Savitar, or it might be hate towards Savitar himself.

Future Barry could just be lying or be a time remnant that was made to say these things. The 2056 message of not trusting future Barry still has me thinking something happened that cause Barry to go rogue to become savitar. I'm sure savitar will give us his full story once he unmasks or unsuits lol. Barry said even time remnants don't work but Barry never had that idea. It's been him or Wally never even brought up a time remnant and that leads me to believe that 2024 Barry was just that a remnant. Just too many signs point down Barry's path.

 

[Dark Raven]

Why would he give present Barry the technology to decipher in 2017 to use against Savitar and trap him in the speed force then? Why is 2024 Barry working against himself?

 

[mqg96]

Not sure how, or what or why or anything but I feel like Savitar has some tangential connection to Cobalt Blue...

Savitar's costume and blue energy just scream Cobalt Blue to me:

The other connection is Savitar gaining his power through the Philosopher's stone:

Cobalt Blue gains his powers through the use of an ancient talisman/gemstone called "blue fire" in a very similar way.


Abra Kadabra calls Savitar one of Flash's greatest villains (at the end of the day the show always respect the comics, and to create a whole new villain and have him be one of Barry's "greatest enemies" doesn't seem like something they'd do).

Cobalt Blue for sure qualifies as one of Barry's biggest villains, particularly as the founder of the Thawne dynasty and being Barry's twin.

Again, no clue exactly how Savitar and Cobalt Blue would be connected, or the details or character backgrounds that would be changed for the show, but I'm putting my money down that they're related some how.

As I explained days ago on here or another thread, this makes Savitar Eddie Thawne, which would make completely sense considering he had a talisman on his neck right before he was sucked into the singularity and the cobalt tungsten pieces from Reverse Flash's ship was sucked in along with him which became his armor suit. Eddie Thawne was stuck in the speed force for so long that he was able to witness and study the past, present, and future of multiple timelines. Savitar didn't really live it, he studied the whole timeline being trapped in speed force for so long. Discovering that he was Barry's adopted brother given to the Thawne family (who are deemed as failures) instead of living with the Allen family, and it was already bad enough that Eddie never got to marry Iris and be with Joe's family, which is his most painful memory in the speed force.

Savitar thinks Barry is the big bad to him and that he took everything away from him. "Only one of us could live." Because Eddie made a sacrifice for Barry when he was almost killed by Reverse Flash. Eddie could have made a decision to keep himself alive and let Barry die by the hands of Reverse Flash. What's the lesson of the Flash this season? Barry being blamed on for his selfish decisions. Eddie Thawne embraced his new identity as Savitar, the God of speed. Caitlin may have been shocked that Eddie Thawne was still alive, and learns the truth to embrace her new identity as Killer Frost for what Barry did to their lives.

 

[Dark Raven]

Maybe Caitlin said to Barry that the answer to Savitar's identity will shock him because it will be absolutely no-one he or the audience have ever heard of before, so it's just some completely random dude.

 

[mqg96]

Killer Frost will only trust somebody who wants her to get rid of her Caitlin personality forever. That would not be Ronnie and hell no definitely not Barry. The Ronnie tease for Savitar due to Caitlin's reaction is the "Jay being killed by Zoom" of this year, and what happened next episode, fake Jay was revealed as Zoom when nobody thought he'd be Zoom anymore. Ronnie Raymond was Firestorm, he's not Savitar.

What's the lesson of the Flash this season? Barry affecting everybody's lives due to his mistakes and selfish decisions. What if Caitlin was shocked that Eddie Thawne is still alive, and Caitlin trusts Eddie because they both have something in common. Barry took everything away from them, so Eddie changes his identity to Savitar to become a speedster God to torment Barry. Eddie embraced his new identity as Savitar to become a God. This motivates Caitlin to embrace her new identity as Killer Frost permanently and stay as a villain who's "glorious and powerful."

 

[Headliner]

Unless Savitar is Eddie which is highly unlikely, this reveal will be a letdown. Just like this whole season.