The Dark Knight Rises Why I think Rises will be better than TDK

[Conebone69]

The Dark Knight was a great movie, of course, but no masterpiece. For all those who doubt that Rises can't top its predecessor, I wouldnt be so sure. I know, we barely know anything about this movie yet but I think its already sounding like a more interesting story. With TDK I felt like it focused more on joker rather than telling a rich, compelling story like Begins did. This movie has so much potential to be the best of the trilogy, with Nolan tying it back to Begins and making the series come full circle. I really feel like nolan has an incredible tale to tell to end the series.

Also, the cinematography looks fantastic so far, tons of great shots in the trailer. I really like the bleak and gritty feel to it, like the shot of Bane walking up to batman in the huge fight.. cannot wait

So I think with Rises it wont rely on a popular villain, but a flat out good story about Bruce/Batman. Not saying Bane wont be ****ing awesome, but I think the movie will be so much more than just Bane. What do you guys think?

 

[jmc]

Is this thread open to everyone's opinion as to why they think Rises will be better? Coz it'll get closed otherwise. I suggest altering the title to 'Why do you think Rises will be better than TDK'.

 

[Conebone69]

yes its open to everyones opinion. changed it, good call

 

[CaptainSpunk]

I just watched BB and TDK together and judging from what we know about TDKR it almost feels like TDK is the odd man out. Like BB and TDKR are one large story and TDK was just forced in there to take up a spot. Not that its a bad movie IMO TDK is better than BB. But thats neither here nor there.
Its almost like BB and TDKR is the story Nolan wanted to tell and then the studio told him hey, we gotta have a Joker movie. So Nolan made one for the studio...
Anyone else get this feeling?

 

[The Morningstar]

I hope it's better than TDK. Because I find TDK boring and too melodramatic now, apart from Ledger and Eckhart's acting.

 

[AnneFan]

I want TDKR to be the best film it can possibly be. TDK is a great film and I'll always enjoy it. But it's not a sacred deity - of course I hope TDKR is better. We should always hope every next film in a franchise is going to be better. That's the hope going in. I don't have the attittude that something is impossible to beat so we don't make anything else because it won't stack up. Time goes on. Personally, even though it's going to be taste and opinion in defining 'better', the epic scale nature of TDKR in terms of losing pretty much everything and reclaiming it will go a very long way in making the film 'better' for me.

 

[Bruce Malone]

I just watched BB and TDK together and judging from what we know about TDKR it almost feels like TDK is the odd man out. Like BB and TDKR are one large story and TDK was just forced in there to take up a spot. Not that its a bad movie IMO TDK is better than BB. But thats neither here nor there.
Its almost like BB and TDKR is the story Nolan wanted to tell and then the studio told him hey, we gotta have a Joker movie. So Nolan made one for the studio...
Anyone else get this feeling?

If anything begins would be the studio film. Nolan was a relative unknown he had very little clout with the studios at that time.

TDK definitely feels much more like a film nolan had much greater control over. The changes in the costume and city scape as well as the casting of dawes with someone not so "mainstream" as a katie holmes, shows to me that nolan really put his own personal mark on that film.

Also I don't see how tdk is the odd man out when it's obvious the harvey dent sub plot from tdk is very heavily featured into rises.

 

[wobblyboddle]

I think TDKR will have an all around better plot than TDK mainly on the basis because alot of the characters have already been established in the previous films but kind of 'peaked' in TDK in the respect that we understand them that bit more. TDKR also looks to have bigger set pieces and everything becomes full circle and alot looks to be more at stake, i mean look we have three tumblers, bane who is just set on complete destruction of gotham and eventually wants batman dead when he feels his work is done. Hardy looks amazing and his voice is very unsettling, he is very specific and clinical about what his motive is and his fighting style, whilst joker was about anarchy, Bane just wants destruction. The essential key here is that Bane has 'control' of Bruce Wayne/Batman and he completely breaks both facets down mentally and psychologically so ultimately the ante' is upped in every respect, there is also alot more mystery, what are catwoman/Selina Kyles motives? and Miranda Tate? if she is Talia Al Ghul (as sources have pointed out but Cotillard denies) how close is she bane? and what damage will she invoke to Wayne enterprises, and most importantly how will this affect batman and his 'One Rule', will it push him to break it because so much is at stake?

 

[humbdrumb]

It looks more like Begins than TDK, which is a very good sign since everyone knows Begins is way better than TDK.

 

[Lord]

I just watched BB and TDK together and judging from what we know about TDKR it almost feels like TDK is the odd man out. Like BB and TDKR are one large story and TDK was just forced in there to take up a spot. Not that its a bad movie IMO TDK is better than BB. But thats neither here nor there.
Its almost like BB and TDKR is the story Nolan wanted to tell and then the studio told him hey, we gotta have a Joker movie. So Nolan made one for the studio...
Anyone else get this feeling?

At first i did, but now that we know more, many of the events of the film are because of what happened in TDK, also, Nolan kind of improvised his way to this, Batman Begins was supposed to be a simple origin story, whoever came after that would be able to do whatever he/ she wanted to, Nolan returned and made TDK his way, both BB and TDK kind of form Year One of Batman's career. One of the reasons Joker didn't die in the first place was because they were destined to fight each other forever, therefore making sequels with him possible, however Heath Ledger died and Nolan came back with the condition of ending his saga the way he wants to, and that's why we're here, he didn't plan this from the begining but he's being able to close loose ends

 

[Laderlappen]

This is Batman. You're not gonna have a very well-written complex and original story. These are not that kind of movies. The selling point and what makes these movies good are the characters, not the story itself. TDK had better characters, thats why this one wont be as good.

 

[Gianakin_]

If anything begins would be the studio film. Nolan was a relative unknown he had very little clout with the studios at that time.

TDK definitely feels much more like a film nolan had much greater control over. The changes in the costume and city scape as well as the casting of dawes with someone not so "mainstream" as a katie holmes, shows to me that nolan really put his own personal mark on that film.

Also I don't see how tdk is the odd man out when it's obvious the harvey dent sub plot from tdk is very heavily featured into rises.

Yeah, exactly. I don't get where those comments come from.

 

[Fabian]

I just watched BB and TDK together and judging from what we know about TDKR it almost feels like TDK is the odd man out. Like BB and TDKR are one large story and TDK was just forced in there to take up a spot. Not that its a bad movie IMO TDK is better than BB. But thats neither here nor there.
Its almost like BB and TDKR is the story Nolan wanted to tell and then the studio told him hey, we gotta have a Joker movie. So Nolan made one for the studio...
Anyone else get this feeling?

I know for fact that Nolan likes BB more then TDK and Wally like TDK more then BB.

But Nolan is the director so he's the boss,it indeed could be true that WB really wanted a Joker film,because thats the best known villian of Batman.

If you say Batman you also say Joker,they are both really important characters.

The fact that Nolan now wants to make it like Oldman says all the time 'Full Circle'

it indeed looks like Nolan wants to good back where he left off with BB in some way.The Dent Act will just be bait to let Batman comeback
nothing more.

 

[BlueLantern]

This is Batman. You're not gonna have a very well-written complex and original story. These are not that kind of movies. The selling point and what makes these movies good are the characters, not the story itself. TDK had better characters, thats why this one wont be as good.

You're joking right?

I think whilst Begins' story in retrospect was fairly cookie-cutter, The Dark Knight had a story strong enough to stand up to some of the best Crime-Drama's out there.

Both the positive and negative of that film was the fact that it concentrated more on the story than Batman itself. Batman was more of an added bonus to a burgeoning film about escalation and crime.

 

[Lord]

I know for fact that Nolan likes BB more then TDK and Wally like TDK more then BB.

But Nolan is the director so he's the boss,it indeed could be true that WB really wanted a Joker film,because thats the best known villian of Batman.

If you say Batman you also say Joker,they are both really important characters.

The fact that Nolan now wants to make it like Oldman says all the time 'Full Circle'

it indeed looks like Nolan wants to good back where he left off with BB in some way.The Dent Act will just be bait to let Batman comeback
nothing more.

How do you know that he brefered BB? Do you have a link?

 

[El Payaso]

Just the fact that someone has the courage to tell the end of Batman story is amazing enough. Any other would have made or been told to make a third part with a wide open door to a fourth part. But we're lucky enough to have this trilogy.

Now, in a story, the second part is always the hardest to make. Everyone is interested in getting to know how it started and how it ends.

I disagree about something: I do think TDK is a masterpiece and I have the strong feeling TDKR will be nothing short of that too. But Begins was the disappointment for me. Not that is bad. In fact it is better than the average superhero movie we have these days (with some exceptions), but it's far from being greatly written or staged. To me it was just the chance for Nolan to prove he was reliable and he could do better without having to follow the studios usual orders.

 

[Mr. Fixit]

I think TDKR has the potential to be better than TDK...but only time will tell.

BB and TDK had their faults which can be improved on. Also, both had their strengths which can be built upon.

In the case of BB, after re-watching it recently I love it even more now. Such a great origin story. Almost, feels like 2 movies in one, yet I don't mind that.

In the case of TDK, after re-watching it I still love it but I see the cracks more. Heath steals the show though. His awesome work practically blinds the viewer to any minor plot issues here and there.

 

[The Joker]

I hope and want TDKR to top TDK. The movies should get better with each sequel. TDK topped Begins. But TDKR better have one hell of a great story to beat TDK.

I just watched BB and TDK together and judging from what we know about TDKR it almost feels like TDK is the odd man out. Like BB and TDKR are one large story and TDK was just forced in there to take up a spot. Not that its a bad movie IMO TDK is better than BB. But thats neither here nor there.
Its almost like BB and TDKR is the story Nolan wanted to tell and then the studio told him hey, we gotta have a Joker movie. So Nolan made one for the studio...
Anyone else get this feeling?

Ummmm no:

And didn't Gary Oldman mention something about a 'Harvey Dent Act' in Gotham now?

If anything begins would be the studio film. Nolan was a relative unknown he had very little clout with the studios at that time.

TDK definitely feels much more like a film nolan had much greater control over. The changes in the costume and city scape as well as the casting of dawes with someone not so "mainstream" as a katie holmes, shows to me that nolan really put his own personal mark on that film.

Also I don't see how tdk is the odd man out when it's obvious the harvey dent sub plot from tdk is very heavily featured into rises.

Exactly.

 

[Batville]

I want TDKR to be the best film it can possibly be. TDK is a great film and I'll always enjoy it. But it's not a sacred deity - of course I hope TDKR is better. We should always hope every next film in a franchise is going to be better. That's the hope going in. I don't have the attittude that something is impossible to beat so we don't make anything else because it won't stack up. Time goes on. Personally, even though it's going to be taste and opinion in defining 'better', the epic scale nature of TDKR in terms of losing pretty much everything and reclaiming it will go a very long way in making the film 'better' for me.

yeah this. Why wouldn't we want it to be better?

Why do I think itll be better?

-Its the end. Everyone loves endings.

-Back to bruce. I know tdk focused on Bruce but for me it just wasnt the same.

-Batplanes, Batpods, Batmobiles, Snow,Caves and hopefully bats. This is Iconic stuff.

-Fight scenes. With Bane i think its safe to say theyll be better.

-Bane. And Tom Hardy as Bane. He's a very talented actor. It was a great pick.

-Catwoman. And Anne Hathaway as catwoman. She will be great on screen and very lovable. Loved maggie. Loved Katie. But they never got me cheering for Bruce to be with them.

-Tdk. I think the way tdk ended left everyones taste buds wanting more. So tdk attributes a lot to this movie being better. Its building on TDK. Thanks Heath. Thanks Aaron.

- I could keep going but this post is too long so my last reason is Chris Nolan and money. TDK $185 Million budget. TDKR $250 Million budget.

 

[Ramsay Snow]

This movie will visually surpass TDK, at the very least.

 

[TinkerTailor]

Are some of you suggesting that TDK is the black sheep of the family and nothing from it links thematically? Because I'm pretty sure you can't wrap up Bruce's story without taking into account all the things that happened to him in TDK and how he was fundamentally changed by all of it.

 

[Naite22]

I HOPE Rises is better than TDK... But I won't dare to think it will be.

BB is one hell of an awesome movie! TDK is just so much better imo. I was sooo emotionally torn! BB NEVER got to me in that way. TDK is one of the best movie's I've ever seen. And I surely think it's a small masterpiece...

Where I'm hoping Rises will take it next, is in a more emotional direction. A more intimate and loving story. It'll definitely be the most spiritual of them all (as its outcome)... Although I have no ****ing idea what to expect, really.

 

[EliteF50]

Simply put: Nolan wouldn't come back to the series unless he knew he could top TDK.

 

[The Morningstar]

This is Batman. You're not gonna have a very well-written complex and original story. These are not that kind of movies. The selling point and what makes these movies good are the characters, not the story itself. TDK had better characters, thats why this one wont be as good.

How do you know TDK had better characters than TDKR? You haven't seen it yet.

 

[Blue Sugar]

Sigh. TDK was so much more than just The Joker.

For me personally it will be hard for TDKR to top TDK. But that doesn't mean it can't be brilliant and amazing.