The Dark Knight Rises Why I think Rises will be better than TDK

[Laderlappen]

You're joking right?

I think whilst Begins' story in retrospect was fairly cookie-cutter, The Dark Knight had a story strong enough to stand up to some of the best Crime-Drama's out there.

Both the positive and negative of that film was the fact that it concentrated more on the story than Batman itself. Batman was more of an added bonus to a burgeoning film about escalation and crime.

Oh come on, the story is very simple. Not bad, but simple. After having watched TDK you dont go 'wow what an unbelievably well written story'.

How do you know TDK had better characters than TDKR? You haven't seen it yet.

Ive read the comics.

 

[AnneFan]

Just the fact that someone has the courage to tell the end of Batman story is amazing enough. Any other would have made or been told to make a third part with a wide open door to a fourth part. But we're lucky enough to have this trilogy.

Indeed. As the tagline says, the legend ends. Something is going to go down that draws this to a conclusion. Very likely to be something that wouldn't happen in the comics. Pretty exciting, I think, as that offers juicy emotional and dramatic material. For all intents and purposes, this is Bale Batman's last on screen battle. And it's going to be one hell of a mountain to climb. It might literally take all he has as Batman to stop it...

 

[kedrell]

Well since I detested TDK I wouldn't be at all surprised if this one was better. Just keep the plot conveniences to a minimum please. And what it's got over BB is....NO awful Rachel Dawes character anymore.

 

[CristiMAN]

As TDK was amazing and IMO the best superhero film to date, I would be really satisfied if TDKR was just as good. To be better is something I'm not expecting, but who knows if Nolan doesn't suprise me? I believe In Nolan.

 

[Pwz414]

Yes, I think TDKR will be better. What did the audience have to fear in TDK? Was Batman ever really in danger? I never got the sense that Batman was close enough to his breaking point, even with Rachel's death. He was just learning about himself and criminality. Escalation... could he abide his one rule and continue as Batman. In the end, he found he could, even if he were the only one who knew it. "I killed those people."

He remembered that the Batman is not a man, but a symbol. Bruce may ache for Rachel, Dent, and the city, but Batman doesn't.

Bane will threaten the very existence of Batman/Bruce Wayne. The audience will literally fear for Batman's life. To me, as long as Batman is present Gotham can't fall. With Batman sidelined, Gotham will be extremely vulnerable, which should resonate with the audience. We’re even talking about it here. Could Batman die…

Also, Batman will be challenged intellectually AND physically... That's why Bane was written into existence. I know the Joker is the most iconic and well known villain, but Bane is a greater threat IMO. And I think Hardy might just be a better villain than Ledger... His screen presence in the prologue is fantastic. See "Warrior", "Inception", and "Bronson". He is REALY good. I'm rambling, but yes, I think TDKR will be better.

 

[Sharkboy]

I'm expecting it to be better...and TDK was/is one of my favourite films of all time.

I also do think that lack of reliance on Heath's Joker scene chewing performance will make Rises an overall better film. (not that TDK was all Heath...but you know)

 

[Sharkboy]

This is Batman. You're not gonna have a very well-written complex and original story. These are not that kind of movies. The selling point and what makes these movies good are the characters, not the story itself. TDK had better characters, thats why this one wont be as good.

oh lord...

 

[Nevincer]

TDKR is a film wherein almost every decision revealed to have been made during production has left many, aside from the very hardcore fan base, scratching their heads. TDK on the other hand had almost everything going in it's favour. I don't know, I'm not placing any bets right now. The biggest thing for me is Chris Nolan's track record.

 

[Pwz414]

I think the hype for this movie is serving to spread awareness of who and what Bane is. He is Batman's physical and intellectual equal. Joker and Batman in a straight up fight, pshhhh… knockout, 10 seconds in. Even Ra's fell to a fairly "wet behind the ears" Batman.

Bane is a better villain, IMO. Hardy is a better actor, IMO.

Consider the excitement that surrounded TDK. Would that excitement have existed if BB wasn't great? BB was about Batman/Bruce Wayne. The mainstream didn't know who Ra's was. To me TDK focused too much on the Joker, Dent, and the mob. I think rises will have Batman at the core, and villain/sidekicks where they belong, as supplements to him. Don't get me wrong though, based on the prologue I think Hardy will match Ledger's performance, but it will serve Batman's story, not Batman serving the villain's. Just my opinion.

 

[Lord]

I think the hype for this movie is serving to spread awareness of who and what Bane is. He is Batman's physical and intellectual equal. Joker and Batman in a straight up fight, pshhhh… knockout, 10 seconds in. Even Ra's fell to a fairly "wet behind the ears" Batman.

Bane is a better villain, IMO. Hardy is a better actor, IMO.

Consider the excitement that surrounded TDK. Would that excitement have existed if BB wasn't great? BB was about Batman/Bruce Wayne. The mainstream didn't know who Ra's was. To me TDK focused too much on the Joker, Dent, and the mob. I think rises will have Batman at the core, and villain/sidekicks where they belong, as supplements to him. Don't get me wrong though, based on the prologue I think Hardy will match Ledger's performance, but it will serve Batman's story, not Batman serving the villain's. Just my opinion.

I like Bane, but you're saying that he's a better villain than the Joker! Really? Joker is just iconic, Sorry, and in TDK Batman had the same screen time as Harvey, and the Joker, the problem that people have with it is that in the end the screen time was characted by those 3, i sincerelly don't have a problem with that and liked that the sequel focused more on the villain and Harvey

 

[Nevincer]

I like Bane, but you're saying that he's a better villain than the Joker! Really? Joker is just iconic, Sorry, and in TDK Batman had the same screen time as Harvey, and the Joker, the problem that people have with it is that in the end the screen time was characted by those 3, i sincerelly don't have a problem with that and liked that the sequel focused more on the villain and Harvey

 

[Sionis]

Oh come on, the story is very simple. Not bad, but simple. After having watched TDK you dont go 'wow what an unbelievably well written story'.
Ive read the comics.

That last comment was so pathetically ignorant it's freaking hilarious.

 

[El Payaso]

Oh come on, the story is very simple. Not bad, but simple. After having watched TDK you dont go 'wow what an unbelievably well written story'.

Yes you do. You go exactly like that.

BB was the opposite for me. the writing was quite obvious, repetitive, explainatory, unfunny when comedic and, at times, amateurish.

 

[Nevincer]

I can confirm that Sionis' statement is very true.
Ive read the comics.

 

[Laderlappen]

Oh God you people really need to calm down. All I said was that its the characters that makes TDK great, and you are going bat-crazy on my opinion.

 

[Pwz414]

I like Bane, but you're saying that he's a better villain than the Joker! Really? Joker is just iconic, Sorry, and in TDK Batman had the same screen time as Harvey, and the Joker, the problem that people have with it is that in the end the screen time was characted by those 3, i sincerelly don't have a problem with that and liked that the sequel focused more on the villain and Harvey

Yeah, I like Bane more :/ To me the physical threat he poses is very powerful. In real life I find physical threats more intimidating than mental threats. I really fear for Batman in this movie. When I heard Riddler and Penguin rumors I shuddered and though, "please be Bane."

I think the Joker contradicted himself a bit too much. "Agent of chaos", "not a schemer", when clearly he was the biggest schemer of all. And oddly enough all of his plans go off without a hitch :/ "Divert to lower 5th"... No, take the oncoming traffic lane, it's clearly open. "Rack em up rack em up rack em up." You knew exactly where the air cav would approach from, what altitude it would have, and where the armored car would emerge? "I just want my phone call." All cops killed or incapacitated, you and Lau left unscathed :/ It's these inconsistencies that give rise to the Joker having too much clout in TDK for me. And Dent, come on... Those burns... If the focus is going to be on these characters they need to be closer to air tight. That's just me though. I know the acting was very good, but it's a Batman movie, not a villain movie. And as powerful and ever-present as the Joker was, I never felt he was a real threat to BATMAN, more society. It’s hard to convince Bruce Wayne that Gotham is ever beyond saving. I don’t think the way to defeating Batman runs through Gotham. It runs through Bruce Wayne. Bane knows that. Sorry for the epic post.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I like Bane, but you're saying that he's a better villain than the Joker! Really? Joker is just iconic, Sorry, and in TDK Batman had the same screen time as Harvey, and the Joker, the problem that people have with it is that in the end the screen time was characted by those 3, i sincerelly don't have a problem with that and liked that the sequel focused more on the villain and Harvey

Here's where I think fans get their panties in a bunch. While I respect and acknowledge The Joker's 'icon' status (over 80 years of experience), he's limited in the physical aspect.

Is Bane more iconic, accomplished, adored, etc than The Joker? No, of course not.

However, is Bane the more well-rounded threat? Absolutely. Bane is the dark twisted mirror image of Bruce Wayne.

 

[Art Damage]

TDKR is a film wherein almost every decision revealed to have been made during production has left many, aside from the very hardcore fan base, scratching their heads. TDK on the other hand had almost everything going in it's favour. I don't know, I'm not placing any bets right now. The biggest thing for me is Chris Nolan's track record.

Eh I wouldn't say that particularly..most everyone still was second guessing the Joker all until that first trailer was released. For me, it always seems that Nolan has done things that really caught me off guard at first and then it's something I end up loving at first.

- My first reaction to the BB trailer back in the day was met with my own ignorance ("Wait a minute...Batman's a ninja?")
- The tumblr
- Joker's makeup (though I was the only one I knew of at the time on board with him not being perma-white
- The new batsuit

All in all I'm going to take TDKR as a fine chapter in my favorite movie series to date.

 

[TinkerTailor]

Oh God you people really need to calm down. All I said was that its the characters that makes TDK great, and you are going bat-crazy on my opinion.

But it's what they do, how they interact and progress that makes the characters great in TDK. So isn't that just good narrative writing in general?

Here's where I think fans get their panties in a bunch. While I respect and acknowledge The Joker's 'icon' status (over 80 years of experience), he's limited in the physical aspect.

Is Bane more iconic, accomplished, adored, etc than The Joker? No, of course not.

However, is Bane the more well-rounded threat? Absolutely. Bane is the dark twisted mirror image of Bruce Wayne.

I'm not going to get into a Bane vs Joker argument, because we've all got our opinions, but one thing I will say is that I kind of like the fact that The Joker isn't a physical threat. He takes Bruce's greatest moral decision (to not kill) and twists it thereby making Bruce complicit in the havoc that he wreaks, because they both know that if Bruce wanted to he could stop him with one act.

 

[roessnakhan]

I loved everything about TDK except the Ferry scene, which I just skip now. Just doesn't work for me. Having said that, TDKR has a lot of great things to top to beat TDK. However, from what I've seen it, it looks like TDKR will be on par with TDK (if not surpass it) in terms of quality, so I'm fine with that.

 

[Banes_Dealer]

I loved everything about TDK except the Ferry scene, which I just skip now. Just doesn't work for me. Having said that, TDKR has a lot of great things to top to beat TDK. However, from what I've seen it, it looks like TDKR will be on par with TDK (if not surpass it) in terms of quality, so I'm fine with that.

I disagree with the ferry scene, I thought it was the defining moment (The look on Joker's face when neither explodes... he's so sad and disappointed and alone and the music swells dramatic it just makes me want to comfort and hug him.)

But I agree with you. TDKR has so much it almost looks like it's 99% MIND BLOWING ACTION with about 1% storyline.

The trailers and previews make TDKR look like the everclear of comic flicks. 200 proof, baby. BANE MOONSHINE.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

I'm not going to get into a Bane vs Joker argument, because we've all got our opinions, but one thing I will say is that I kind of like the fact that The Joker isn't a physical threat. He takes Bruce's greatest moral decision (to not kill) and twists it thereby making Bruce implicit in the havoc that he wreaks, because they both know that if Bruce wanted to he could stop him with one act.

And that's one of the many reasons why I appreciate the character, but personally, I need more than just psychological warfare.

Bane has the best of both worlds -- which highlights my final comment. He's a more versatile and resourceful opponent.

 

[Sharkboy]

Oh God you people really need to calm down. All I said was that its the characters that makes TDK great, and you are going bat-crazy on my opinion.

It's not your opinion that's ludicrous..it's your reasoning.

 

[Laderlappen]

But it's what they do, how they interact and progress that makes the characters great in TDK. So isn't that just good narrative writing in general?

Yes this is true. What I really meant was that the plot itself was simple. Poor choice of words.

And dont take that comment as negative. Im not criticizing the movie.

 

[Viciousjay]

Ill say in my own opinion BB was the better film so far, i love the TDK and the joker but im kinda wishing they would have done this...

BB - Origin
TDKR - batman is beaten down by bane only to to be broken physically
TDK - he faces off against he joker in the last film in a mental fight more...

im sure TDKR will be great but i guess we'll have to wait till July now wont we