bkhedr said:The reason its out of conituity (the comic book companies put it out of contiunity themselves) is because its out of character for the characters and its not what WOULD happen
Its what one writer was TOLD to MAKE HAPPEN in one measly OUT OF CONTINUITY story which is out of continuity because the editors know its hogwash and realize that its just a showcase for the characters that doesnt need to make sense.
Case in point venom vs Superman
Its out of continuity because its baloney. Its just part of some ill conceived marketing ploy, good for MARVEL that the venom fanboys bought it but that doesnt mean the rest of us has to suffer. so..its out of continuity and isnt canon
end of story
Ahura Mazda said:And Wolverine beat Lobo
Money. That's not a very hard question, Horrorfan.Horrorfan said:Then so if they never happened, what was the point of making them?
Then why doesn't Robin remember his love for Jubilee? What makes this crossover more probable than those before? Because they were plucked from their respective universes? That would make Superman vs Silver Surfer canon too, even though it isn't.I am pretty sure DC vs Marvel at least is in canon. Im not sure about the earlier ones, but as well as the afterformentioned character who appeared in a regular marvel/dc title, it's pretty clear that characters were plucked from the 'ordinary' 'verse they live in to fight. No alternate reality there. So I don't care how many 'OH NOES! WOLVERINE BEAT LOBO!!!1!! TAHT'S TEH GHEY' I hear, it doesn't matter. All that matters is that it happend.
I don't. That's the whole point. We adhere to Marvel and DC here.I mean you can't pick and choose what to believe and what to ignore.
Robin had a romance with Jubilee, that distorts contuinity.DC vs Marvel (at least) does not in any way, shape or form distort continuity, since all characters are plucked from their own universe to fight, and don't live in the same universe or whatever. It's kinda like the exiles meets gladiator.
What's the point of debating if Ambush Bug would beat Black Cat? The hero-vs-hero and crossover aspects of comic universes are an aspect of the fan community. DC and Marvel cash in on that.If none of it's cannon, whats the point of debating if Venom would beat Superman or not?
Yet, time and time again these things also happen outside of crossovers. For all intents and purposes, Spider-Man beating Firelord should have been nigh impossible. It happened nonetheless, and people are forced to accept that. It's not about playing favourites at all. It's about discerning canon from non-canon.You render the argument moot, since if a meeting did happen again, you would say it doesn't count (but I have a funny feeling had your favourites won, you would be singing a different tune...). So arguing about it is totally pointless if you are gonna disregard what evidence you DO have and base it on pointless fanboy speculation.
Again, this has no bearing the in the canon or non-canon department. Heck, an alternative to Superman not beating Venom? Not doing the crossover at all. Things are always done to serve the story, that's inherent to any story-telling medium, doesn't mean they always make sense (or are in-canon).Comic logic goes like this: it doesn't matter how powerful the superhero is; it's about what the writer feels is best for the scene. How crappy would it have been had supes disintergrated him in page 2? You would have a popular dead character, and you would have paid a few bucks for a two page comic. You have to remember: COMICS AREN'T REAL. Period.
And, yet, dozens of times that doesn't hold up. Not every comic fits in the contuinity and are therefore discarded. Heck, just look at the Phoenix mess in the X-Universe, or look at the killer-of-Batman's-parents mess over at DC. Not everything works.I'm sorry, but what happened and is in print is more justifiable than some fanboy's 'reasons' why supes would pwn venom or whatever. I go by what happened in the comics. When it comes to the comics, what's in print is what is.
No, what I have is the event that COULD happen if the two heroes meet.Even if you wish to ignore the comics are canon, well you have the only representation of what would happen, outside of your own head, so it's hard to argue against it. Even if it's not 'in continuity', you have the events that WOULD happen had the two heros meet.
Horrorfan said:Wolverine handed that lame ass rip -off his head
Horrorfan said:Venom beat Superman.
End of story.
Tropico said:In regards to JLA/Avenger, I do remember reading an interview where it was said that it was canonical. If I'm not mistaken the question went something like: "And will THIS be the crossover that's finally in continuity?" The answer was yes. I think it was in Newsarama and it had a couple of the creators (I think it was George Perez and someone else). It caught my attention because they said that it WOULD impact both universes and I was extremely skeptical because that's what everyone says. Up 'til now only DC has had the cojones to keep their word.
bkhedr said:never happened
they've never met
and they live in different universes
and if they did meet, Supes would give Venom a stern red eyed stare and both the symbiote and Eddie would end up looking like a piece of burnt toast
That's what would happen
Tell that to Joe Chill. Did murder Bruce's parents, didn't murder Bruce's parents, did but wasn't caught, did but was caught. Most ****ed with comic character ever.Horrorfan said:Actually it did happen. Proof's on the other page. You're just bitter. If you can't except the proof in front of your eyes, well...that's not really my problem. It's kinda like saying in a court you didn't shoot someone when they have pictures and videos of you shooting someone.
It's really not the nature of the fight, but using that fight to prove a point.Horrorfan said:Listen, like I said before... I don't know why you guys don't get that implausable things happen all the time in comics. No way should Punisher be able to regularly fight Wolverine, Daredevil and co....but he does. No way should Batman beat 65% of the people he does.....yet he manages to. It's the nature of the biz. So Venom took supes in one fight, so what? I'm betting Superman ended up winning in the end.
This is true. Nonetheless, these fights are not 'proof', because of the whole non-canon thing.My point being is that, as of now, those comics are the only time we have seen an encounter between those two, or any heroes. I accept it because, simply, there is no other proof out there (opinion is not proof).
Even if you don't consider any of it canon, which is fair enough, you have no real alternative aside from your opinions, theories and whatnot. The fights might not always be totally logical , but if you want total logic, quit reading comics.
Harlekin said:It's really not the nature of the fight, but using that fight to prove a point.
This is true. Nonetheless, these fights are not 'proof', because of the whole non-canon thing.
Inter-company crossovers, fairly rare creatures now, used to be much more plentiful, but nearly without exception, they occurred somewhere else, in a dimension where both the Teen Titans and X-Men operate, for example, following up on plot threads from JLA/Avengers in JLA is a rarity an event in itself in that it continues in one of DCs flagship titles."
newmexneon said:DC Vs Marvel is the WORST comic story ever written. The mere thought of people taking that seriously makes baby jesus cry.
Myself (and most of the fan community) give non-canon about as much worth as the speculation.Horrorfan said:Well they are the only fights you have.....which is still worth a lot more than speculation and theory.
My point is, even a 'non canon' fight is still more 'canon' than an opinionated guy on a message board. I agree, supes SHOULD be able to demolish venom, but its just not the way it went down this time.
Actually, it would've been the other way around. Sabretooth dominated their first fight.It's like sentry...his powers flunctuate because sometimes it just serves the story for him to be more/less powerful in that scene. As with all superheroes. I mean if comics were 'real', wolverine would have decapitated sabretooth, crapped down his throat and burned the body to ashes in their first fight. But you just gotta let the impausabilitys slide.
But they are huge deals in these types of debates.I can see why you don't accept it, and I don't blame you if Marvel and DC don't acknowledge it...but at the same time, that's currently the only place you can find any sort of fight between the two is in that particular magazine. If you showed it to a guy with only a vague interest in comics, they wouldn't care about cannon/non cannon, they would just accept it for how it is. We just loose perspective sometimes and forget that it's just a comic, it's not a huge deal.
Oh, geez...Horrorfan said:My point being is that, as of now, those comics are the only time we have seen an encounter between those two, or any heroes. I accept it because, simply, there is no other proof out there (opinion is not proof).
Even if you don't consider any of it canon, which is fair enough, you have no real alternative aside from your opinions, theories and whatnot. The fights might not always be totally logical , but if you want total logic, quit reading comics.