Apocalypse X-Men: Apocalypse Box Office Prediction Thread - Part 2

[daddydivine]

Most of the X-Men don't have a network of support characters and villains outside of the X-family. That's why I don't think the majority of them are suited to non-team films. There are exceptions like Storm and Wolverine, but most of them also have powers that don't work well outside of a team (unlike heroes who are designed for that).

No. Keep the team aspect just change the focus. So one movie certain characters lead the plot while while others stay in the background with little character development. Like the comics. They still have team moments but don't have 3 films where the focus stays on a few Xmen. Rotate that focus.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Lawd have mercy this thread.

You know these box office threads are always a ****show.

 

[StormC]

Pulling this back on track, what is this film's ceiling based on current performance domestically and internationally?

Dunno about by themselves, but I'm calling for a 600 WW ceiling.

 

[Iceman]

No. Keep the team aspect just change the focus. So one movie certain characters lead the plot while while others stay in the background with little character development. Like the comics. They still have team moments but don't have 3 films where the focus stays on a few Xmen. Rotate that focus.

Oh yes, sorry for misinterpreting that. I totally agree. I've always wanted that and it's what makes reading the comics never get stale.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Dunno about by themselves, but I'm calling for a 600 WW ceiling.

with it's underperforming 550-70 Million Worldwide

 

[daddydivine]

with it's underperforming 550-70 Million Worldwide

Isn't it doing DOFP numbers overseas. I can see it fighting to to 650 mil.

 

[Iceman]

Just imagine a stand-alone "Beast" movie that is an hour and forty-five minutes and is given the same budget as either "The Wolverine" or "Ant-Man".

You'd have Trish Tilby and then probably a load of made-for-film characters. There's a reason why most of the solo comics for X-Men characters didn't get far.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Isn't doing DOFP numbers overseas. I can see it fighting to to 650 mil.

570 million is about the ceiling now WW.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I think Apocalypse will hit 175 million at best domestically. I think it will make less than that though. I'm not sure what's going on internationally.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I think Apocalypse will hit 175 million at best domestically. I'm not sure what's going on internationally.

160 million is the ceiling domesticly now.

 

[BeholdMe]

honey, I am not saying it is not Singer's fault. He is the one who decided to choose the dullest X-Men villain in the books, accepted an embarrassingly idiotic script and he forgot all socio-political relevancy!

I am just saying it is very ironic to see that Marvel at the moment is adapting 'Civil War' that uses an obiviously recycled X-Men plot and it toning down its comic book silliness!

Singer's 2000 grounded approach will be back in no time!

People wanted more what we got in this film not the grounded XMen the fault is in the script and the direction it took not that it was more comic accurate because that's what people wanted for years. The action and comic accurate costumes aren't the bad thing and I don't want them going back to that cranky black leather this is a better direction there headed in. Your in the minority thinking that's why the movie failed instead of the obvious things which has nothing to do with it being less grounded and instead of a crappy script. Moreso they can't keep using these extremely popular characters as background they need to be involved with the story and not silent. Singer got a lot of flack for his work as in the past so let's not pretend he has been doing a superb job with the XMen up until now with him we got a few developed characters in the franchise.

 

[thecatacombs]

i heard Singer said in an interview he couldn't stand to be away from the Xmen movie, overall he seem to really relate to his caracters and the overall idea. I dont think he "does'nt give a rats ass about xmen" but i don't know him personnaly soo

aka stay away from the money. Its clear that Singer wasn't an Xmen fan when came on board and i still feel he doesn't understand the characters. He constantly brings up King Arthur/Star Wars in Xmen interviews and puts their ****** lines in Xmen movies as if he doesn't have enough history/inspiration front he comics to pull from. This has always bothered me and a lot of people. He gushes at the mouth about these other movies/books/franchises not Xmen.

As far as Kinberg, he's a hack. He said he's been an xmen fan growing up but yet Olivia Munn said he didn't even know that Pyslocke is a telepath, in fact if u watch the interview she made it sound like he was completely f%cking clueless about it. These are the kind of people that dont need to be touching Xmen.

 

[Iceman]

But the X-Men are not just some superhero brand...making them like the Avengers is the biggest mistake they could try to achieve. Singer understood the core of the source material and used it beautifully till the 'X-Men: Apocalypse disaster...

like I said, Fox/Singer tried to make more money but forgot what made the X-Men brand successfull in the first place: critical acclaim, great scripts and socio-political relevance! this audience is scared off now....

Huh? I think you're talking about different things. I'm just talking about the quality of visuals and actions scenes, technical standards and choreography. I don't know much you read of team superhero comics but the X-Men are the best when it comes to teamwork moves and part of that is due to many of them having limited one-note powers that work much better in tandem with other powers rather than multiple guys who are equally adept alone. EVERY film can benefit from critical acclaim and great scripts, I don't think anyone is asking them to dumb down the script or go for less critical acclaim. And there's nothing wrong with having the same tone as prior films and having socio-political commentary. But for box office numbers (which is what the thread is about) the standard of visuals and being able to put out trailers that blow people away rather than looking like a B level blockbuster is more important.

 

[YoungBlood]

aka stay away from the money. Its clear that Singer wasn't an Xmen fan when came on board and i still feel he doesn't understand the characters. He constantly brings up King Arthur/Star Wars in Xmen interviews and puts their ****** lines in Xmen movies as if he doesn't have enough history/inspiration front he comics to pull from. This has always bothered me and a lot of people. He gushes at the mouth about these other movies/books/franchises not Xmen.

As far as Kinberg, he's a hack. He said he's been an xmen fan growing up but yet Olivia Munn said he didn't even know that Pyslocke is a telepath, in fact if u watch the interview she made it sound like he was completely f%cking clueless about it. These are the kind of people that dont need to be touching Xmen.

And its clear that you have a full on hate agenda about Singer, get over it.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Huh? I think you're talking about different things. I'm just talking about the quality of visuals and actions scenes, technical standards and choreography. I don't know much you read of team comics but the X-Men are the best when it comes to teamwork moves and part of that is due to many of them having limited one-note powers that work much better in tandem with other powers rather than multiple guys who are equally adept alone. EVERY film can benefit from critical acclaim and great scripts, I don't think anyone is asking them to dumb down the script or go for less critical acclaim. And there's nothing wrong with having the same tone as prior films and having socio-political commentary. But for box office numbers (which is what the thread is about) the standard of visuals and being able to put out trailers that blow people away rather than looking like a B level blockbuster is more important.

without Singer they won't have same tone as previous film or any socio-political commentary.yeah they will have more colorful costumes now but be more comedic with under ultiled villains.

The darkness,seriousness and prejudice allegary is what has been limiting BO.now they are likely to be gone.

 

[Tymminator]

I'm at work on break now, and I have a co-worker who is taking all of this talk of domestic under-performance very badly.

After a pretty long overall rant on the state of things, He went as far as to blaming the new "comic-accurate" outfits as maybe making it to "comic-bookie" and I broke my silence by saying

Spoiler

"Dude, they didn't even wear those until the very end! By that time whoever has seen the movie has cemented their judgement one way or the other!"

He is also now on a big "Comic book movie fatigue" kick now. He is very, very sure Suicide Squad and Dr Strange (especially Dr Strange) are doomed.

It's hard for me to get too irritated at him though as he reminds me of Rick Moranis.

 

[marvelrobbins]

And its clear that you have a full on hate agenda about Singer, get over it.

and while i am loathe to defend kinberg he said back in 2006 he read X-men as kid up to Issue 200.which by the way was before psylocke was introduced.

 

[TheNewSlayer]

Now I think that will make 130 domestically and 350 internationally, total of 480 ww.

http://deadline.com/2016/05/x-men-a...s-memorial-day-weekend-box-office-1201763668/

 

[BeholdMe]

I'm at work on break now, and I have a co-worker who is taking all of this talk of domestic under-performance very badly.

After a pretty long overall rant on the state of things, He went as far as to blaming the new "comic-accurate" outfits as maybe making it to "comic-bookie" and I broke my silence by saying

Spoiler

"Dude, they didn't even wear those until the very end! By that time whoever has seen the movie has cemented their judgement one way or the other!"

He is also now on a big "Comic book movie fatigue" kick now. He is very, very sure Suicide Squad and Dr Strange (especially Dr Strange) are doomed.

It's hard for me to get too irritated at him though as he reminds me of Rick Moranis.

The costumes werent in the movie long enough to had made that the reason for the film doing what it's doing. Some people are truly grasping at straws with this movie, it's apparent what made the movie not as great as it could've been the costumes had nothing to do with it.
I'm curious how Dr Strange will do as well apart of me feel it won't do that well just because to me it dosent look like something I would think about when I hear Dr Strange it just looks like inception not what I was expecting.

 

[TheVileOne]

Pulling this back on track, what is this film's ceiling based on current performance domestically and internationally?

I think it's going to underperform. Next weekend you have TMNT 2. I'm thinking about $175 million ish tops domestic.

 

[marvelrobbins]

I'm at work on break now, and I have a co-worker who is taking all of this talk of domestic under-performance very badly.

After a pretty long overall rant on the state of things, He went as far as to blaming the new "comic-accurate" outfits as maybe making it to "comic-bookie" and I broke my silence by saying

Spoiler

"Dude, they didn't even wear those until the very end! By that time whoever has seen the movie has cemented their judgement one way or the other!"

He is also now on a big "Comic book movie fatigue" kick now. He is very, very sure Suicide Squad and Dr Strange (especially Dr Strange) are doomed.

It's hard for me to get too irritated at him though as he reminds me of Rick Moranis.

DR strange will outgross Apocalypse.i don't say that as one who really cares
about it.as for surcide squad who knows i will say the last trailer kind of
killed my Intrest In it.hard to buy surcide squad exsists in same world as DCEU Batman.

 

[marvelrobbins]

Now I think that will make 130 domestically and 350 internationally, total of 480 ww.

http://deadline.com/2016/05/x-men-a...s-memorial-day-weekend-box-office-1201763668/

that is major disaster if it happens.that is lower than The wolverine domesticly.
a reboot defently is coming if apocalypse makes only 480 million WW.

 

[daddydivine]

Now I think that will make 130 domestically and 350 internationally, total of 480 ww.

http://deadline.com/2016/05/x-men-a...s-memorial-day-weekend-box-office-1201763668/

IMPOSSIBRU!!!!!! Honestly there's no way it makes just 480 WW. It's going to under perform but not that badly. Hopefully it hits that under performing sweet spot where everything continues just with new direction.

 

[Tymminator]

Now I think that will make 130 domestically and 350 internationally, total of 480 ww.

http://deadline.com/2016/05/x-men-a...s-memorial-day-weekend-box-office-1201763668/

OK, I have a hard time to thinking it will do that badly. I'm not this movies biggest fan, but this would surprise me.

 

[DavidHaller]

Huh? I think you're talking about different things. I'm just talking about the quality of visuals and actions scenes, technical standards and choreography. I don't know much you read of team superhero comics but the X-Men are the best when it comes to teamwork moves and part of that is due to many of them having limited one-note powers that work much better in tandem with other powers rather than multiple guys who are equally adept alone. EVERY film can benefit from critical acclaim and great scripts, I don't think anyone is asking them to dumb down the script or go for less critical acclaim. And there's nothing wrong with having the same tone as prior films and having socio-political commentary. But for box office numbers (which is what the thread is about) the standard of visuals and being able to put out trailers that blow people away rather than looking like a B level blockbuster is more important.

I only read X-Men comics (favorably re-reading Grant Morrison and Claremont...). Most superhero team books stand for everything I despise to be honest!

...what I tried to say was that X-Men movies in the past seem to have attracted not only the common mainstream superhero movie audience. Its critical acclaim and socio-political commentary maybe diversified the audience and brought in a milieu that wouldn't normally go and see a superhero movies. This particular group is now alienated from the franchise/brand because the brand identity changed from "critical acclaim" to "empty CGI ********". Being more comic-book-esque maybe did not fit the previously established brand.

To say that Singer cannot direct visually outstanding action scenes is ridiculous: 1. Nightcrawler at the White House, 2. Quicksilver's scene in Days of Future Past, 3. Wolverine vs. Lady Deathstrike, 4. Pryo vs. Police, 5. Sentinels vs. X-Men in the future...etc. The difference to common superhero movies is that Singer (before X-Men: Apocalypse!) would never give us action just for action's sake.